2016 Postmortem

politicaljunkie41910

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71. Our "form" of government has not changed in the past 50 years, so try again.

Thu May 5, 2016, 08:01 PM

May 2016

Citizen's United was a SCOTUS decision that changed the way campaigns are financed. Most of us Dems did not like that decision. We don't think that money is free speech. But Dems who want to win elections can either play by the same rules as the GOP and have a fighting chance to WIN elections whereby they are in a position to influence the outcome, OR they can be purists like Bernie and say that I'm not willing to accept campaign contributions from A, B, or C and lose and spend eternity powerless to affect the outcome.

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I really wasn't planning on spending my senior years under a new form of government- [View all] silvershadow May 2016 OP

K&R Dragonfli May 2016 #1

I am 70 plus and am not liking it either. alfie May 2016 #2

I'm 26.. Thank you. We know it's not all younger people that see this only Joob May 2016 #3

Old Sanders supporter here, too. Urchin May 2016 #85

I know 50 years ago gays couldn't get married. Agschmid May 2016 #4

Relevance to the OP? nt silvershadow May 2016 #5

Well you said 50 years ago everything was fine and dandy. Agschmid May 2016 #6

Sounds like you are just the type of person I referenced in the OP. nt silvershadow May 2016 #7

What gay and happy I can get married now? Agschmid May 2016 #8

Which is fine and dandy, but has nothing to do with the OP. Whatsoever. nt silvershadow May 2016 #11

Sure it does... Blanks May 2016 #35

This has zero to do with gays or any other issue. It has to due with our form of government. silvershadow May 2016 #37

Our "form" of government has not changed in the past 50 years, so try again. politicaljunkie41910 May 2016 #71

The TPP. I remember a few months ago when it was still ok to discuss that here. nt silvershadow May 2016 #73

So since when does discussing the TPP get you banned from DU? That's the problem with politicaljunkie41910 May 2016 #75

It's not because I am a Bernie supporter. It's because I am a proud Union labor man. nt silvershadow May 2016 #76

Don't you know Urchin May 2016 #86

I never knew that. nt silvershadow May 2016 #87

Well now you do! Urchin May 2016 #90

And women were expected to be barefoot and pregnant. greatauntoftriplets May 2016 #55

Yup. Agschmid May 2016 #103

Some people are delusional Trenzalore May 2016 #40

Nice deflection. The OP isn't about 50 years ago, as you well know. It is about our form of silvershadow May 2016 #44

The Corporate Coup d'etat happened a long time ago Trenzalore May 2016 #45

Sorry, been on the case for a loooong time. Nice try. nt silvershadow May 2016 #47

You are pining for a time Trenzalore May 2016 #48

You didn't even read the OP it is clear. I am not pining for 50 years ago. But you knew that. silvershadow May 2016 #49

In the 1960s Trenzalore May 2016 #53

That's the standard? "Hey, at least you didn't get shot in the head?" Wow. Crazy stuff there. nt silvershadow May 2016 #56

You picked the 60s Trenzalore May 2016 #57

No, you picked the 60's rather than the topic of the OP. I just responded, unnecessarily. nt silvershadow May 2016 #58

If you asked me if I had more hope after 8 years of Obama Trenzalore May 2016 #65

I asked you no such thing. nt silvershadow May 2016 #66

Thats right and their followers were picked up in the middle of the night workinclasszero May 2016 #143

There has always Urchin May 2016 #88

50 years ago, the Vietnam war was rapidly escalating. greatauntoftriplets May 2016 #50

And decades from now Urchin May 2016 #92

Indeed, up until just recently marriage has been a sacred bond between a man and a woman Fumesucker May 2016 #114

Why parse it? Civil rights are ongoing. A piece of a much bigger puzzle. Human rights are better but snowy owl May 2016 #121

No one wants to go back 50 years. JaneyVee May 2016 #9

Nice deflection from the overriding point of the OP. nt silvershadow May 2016 #12

Nice deflection of your obvious screw up. JaneyVee May 2016 #13

Wow. no point in us talking further. nt silvershadow May 2016 #14

It sucked for white males between the ages of 18-22 Trenzalore May 2016 #46

Pretty sure all races went to Vietnam. JaneyVee May 2016 #52

Should all white people or men vote Trump? JPnoodleman May 2016 #115

How about the draft Trenzalore May 2016 #42

I was 1-A prime beef and had to sweat it out Armstead May 2016 #110

America is heading back more than 50 years, more like 100+ years to oligarchic plutocratic Dont call me Shirley May 2016 #28

Sixty-years ago Urchin May 2016 #81

Sander's fans do workinclasszero May 2016 #144

If Hillary wins by hook or by crook, you will no doubt find yourself on America's first bullet train NorthCarolina May 2016 #10

Pre Roe v Wade, gays forced in the closet, civil rights for nobody but white males. PeaceNikki May 2016 #15

Which has nothing to do with the OP. nt silvershadow May 2016 #16

It has everything to do with the OP PeaceNikki May 2016 #17

I wrote the OP. No, it doesn't. The OP is about Corporatacray. nt silvershadow May 2016 #18

In the 60s, women couldn't serve on juries PeaceNikki May 2016 #19

And I never said any such thing. Your mind has taken you astray. Stay on topic, please. nt silvershadow May 2016 #20

I'll take the topic whatever way I see fit, thanks. PeaceNikki May 2016 #21

My OP. My topic. Your diversion. Democracy vs Cororatacracy. No contest. At all. nt silvershadow May 2016 #22

My observation, you mean. PeaceNikki May 2016 #23

Yes, I did observe the slide out of democracy. I lived it. Your point? nt silvershadow May 2016 #24

I made my point. We've had a ton of progressive victories in the past 50 years. PeaceNikki May 2016 #26

So you believe Corporatocracy (Fascism) is a good thing for women? AgingAmerican May 2016 #29

Newp. PeaceNikki May 2016 #31

The corporacracy is happy to give us social victories, just as long as they gain further silvershadow May 2016 #30

corporacracy isn't a word. PeaceNikki May 2016 #32

Bye. nt silvershadow May 2016 #33

Bye, Felicia! PeaceNikki May 2016 #34

You're very dishonest. The perfect Hillary drone...deny the truth and twist the words to define haikugal May 2016 #77

Lol, there was no attack. PeaceNikki May 2016 #78

jury duty mog75 May 2016 #82

I agree with you sandyshoes17 May 2016 #83

In the last several years the PTB have stolen my house, $80k in payments, and silvershadow May 2016 #84

How was your house stolen? Agschmid May 2016 #104

During the Great Con Job. nt silvershadow May 2016 #106

Ok... Agschmid May 2016 #107

If you are a lawyer offering to help me, please PM me. nt silvershadow May 2016 #108

I'm not a lawyer, and I can be of little to no help. Agschmid May 2016 #109

I hear you my friend beware the ides of May! Silver_Witch May 2016 #139

No. Your fallacy is called a straw man argument. hellofromreddit May 2016 #36

Please hold while I note your concern. PeaceNikki May 2016 #38

You misunderstand. I never said you weren't smug enough. hellofromreddit May 2016 #39

Lol, how shall I ever sleep while your opinion of me suffers? PeaceNikki May 2016 #43

You continue to fail to prove your point. hellofromreddit May 2016 #67

Yes, it does. The fact that you can't see that is the problem Recursion May 2016 #117

Social repression in the Union labor movement? That takes some big balls. nt silvershadow May 2016 #127

You're not familiar with the role of many unions in keeping black workers off shop floors? Recursion May 2016 #128

There you go again, talking about the 1960's...Can we just talk about 1992 and later? nt silvershadow May 2016 #129

Happily. Oddly enough I just did an OP about that Recursion May 2016 #130

Lame. Deflective. You no longer have the same form of government, which as you know silvershadow May 2016 #131

I disagree Recursion May 2016 #132

I know you do. nt silvershadow May 2016 #133

I see what you mean farleftlib May 2016 #25

Corporatocracy is just another word for Fascism AgingAmerican May 2016 #27

I agree with this. And, seriously, I must say� CobaltBlue May 2016 #41

Remember in 1963 Trenzalore May 2016 #51

Remember in 1992 When the Clintons continued the Republican tradition of destroying silvershadow May 2016 #54

If you want to compare what sucked more the 90s or the 60s Trenzalore May 2016 #59

I don't want to compare anything. You do. Way off topic. But you knew that. nt silvershadow May 2016 #60

You don't want to compare Trenzalore May 2016 #68

I want to compare this form of government to democracy, yes. The TPP and all else, as you silvershadow May 2016 #70

So, how old ARE you? MineralMan May 2016 #61

Which has nothing to do with which form of government we have. nt silvershadow May 2016 #63

Nonsense. It has everything to do with it. MineralMan May 2016 #64

I'm pretty sure that they didn't even read their own OP. Agschmid May 2016 #105

President Eisenhower warned the nation about the influence of the military industrial complex 1961 Fresh_Start May 2016 #62

Yep. And corporations were declared to have the same rights as people as early as 1886. ContinentalOp May 2016 #93

I take it that you are sadoldgirl May 2016 #69

And you better believe they are looking at and salivating over Matariki May 2016 #72

Yep. nt silvershadow May 2016 #74

Thank you pmorlan1 May 2016 #79

Yes they do. You are welcome. Thank you for weighing in with the vote of confidence. nt silvershadow May 2016 #80

Thank you for putting it into words, silvershadow. Octafish May 2016 #89

Wow. That's a keeper. Looks like from original DU? nt silvershadow May 2016 #91

DU2. Why to keep fighting the Good Fight. Octafish May 2016 #95

Great post. I will pour over it as soon as I eat my supper. Thanks for the kind words. nt silvershadow May 2016 #98

....! KoKo May 2016 #94

October Surprise + Safari Club = CIA Old Boys in Power For Ever and Ever Octafish May 2016 #97

your OP has been hi-jacked, triangulated, and suffered from way too many deflective responses... islandmkl May 2016 #96

Hear, fucking!, hear. Great post. ebayfool May 2016 #111

+1,000,000 Hydra May 2016 #113

^^^^this^^^^ cliffordu May 2016 #119

It's not hijacking to point out your myopia Recursion May 2016 #123

bad premise - all wages across all races have stagnated...and you know it's not about islandmkl May 2016 #125

Negative. African Americans have seen significant income gains over the past 40 years Recursion May 2016 #126

it appears to be a matter of looking a statistics from different angles islandmkl May 2016 #134

the gap is not closing: islandmkl May 2016 #135

I said "caught up with the quintile below them" Recursion May 2016 #136

Standing ovation!! Silver_Witch May 2016 #140

K&R jwirr May 2016 #99

Whiny Bernie-Bro who wants to lay around smoking dope and getting free stuff! tabasco May 2016 #100

The party is like Mitt Romney bought it and stripped it of its' valuable assets. silvershadow May 2016 #101

I understand and agree with your post. nruthie May 2016 #102

Here's the good news. None of us are too old to get back to oasis May 2016 #112

I'm glad as hell we aren't the country we were 50 years ago Recursion May 2016 #116

Absolutely not. I'm solidly middle class because I could get an college education without debt. snowy owl May 2016 #122

I wish I could K&R this for a week. cliffordu May 2016 #118

Lack of institutional memory. Study Eisenhower in fifties. It is different. Few seem to know it. snowy owl May 2016 #120

Taken For Granted At Davos That US Government Run On �Legalized Corruption� Octafish May 2016 #142

At least people are waking up & they are very angry emsimon33 May 2016 #124

great post. Ignore all those trying to kick up dust ProfessorPlum May 2016 #137

Not to worry, the bankers will still have sleepovers in the WH no matter which side wins! dmosh42 May 2016 #138

I have assumed I have been living under a new form of government randr May 2016 #141

This is a very old fight felix_numinous May 2016 #145