2016 Postmortem

rhett o rick

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110. That's some kind of rationalization to avoid fighting for those that are struggling.

Thu May 5, 2016, 07:26 PM

May 2016

I hear, "It's too hard." If you look at the changes we've had over the last 30 years, we have had some of your incremental changes in social justice but the changes to our, the 99%, economy have been gigantic. How many trillions of dollars moved from the 99% to the Rich and Wonderful that you support? Was it 3 or 5 trillion. And 5 trillion dollars moved from the 99% to the 1% that you revere when the banks asked nicely and the Democrats wet their pants trying to pay them fast enough. THESE ARE NOT INCREMENTAL CHANGES. People, humans if you will, are literally and I do mean literally are dying from povery, while the Oligarch Followers play patty cake with the Rich.

If our founders had your incremental changes are ok attitude we'd still be under British control.

Again, I agree that if elected Sanders would have a hard time, but Clinton not having a hard time means the Republicons would be getting their way the same way they did with her in 2002. "Georgie how can I help"

Just how high does the poverty rate have to get before you figure out you choose the wrong side of this class war?

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The Revolution Will Be Fantasized- The Sanders revolution has not materialized in real world yet [View all] Gothmog Apr 2016 OP

K & R Iliyah Apr 2016 #1

I love these super long soliloquies.. it's like you are paid per letter.. it seems like a talking berniepdx420 Apr 2016 #2

Why do facts and numbers scare you? Gothmog Apr 2016 #5

No.. not at all... hillary has all the numbers..or shall we call it what it is....bribes in the berniepdx420 Apr 2016 #7

She has 2.4 million popular votes than Sanders Gothmog Apr 2016 #14

It aint over my texass friend.. and the South is done voting.. if you want an oligarchy then vote berniepdx420 Apr 2016 #17

Are you silly enough to believe this-then put your money where you mouth is Gothmog Apr 2016 #19

no thanks.. I work hard for my money.. not much of a gambler.. but your condescension makes you berniepdx420 Apr 2016 #20

So you really do not believe your own claims Gothmog Apr 2016 #21

I believe that it aint over yet.. and factually it is not over yet.... if the polls are correct berniepdx420 Apr 2016 #22

You really do not understand the concepts being discussed Gothmog Apr 2016 #28

You really are the captain of condescension and smugness .. I am well aware of the numbers... berniepdx420 Apr 2016 #31

Have you woken up and realized that the Sanders revolution was a flop yet? Gothmog Apr 2016 #74

I have never accepted the argument that Sanders is electable Gothmog May 2016 #78

plus..your candidate just hired a high powered CRIMINAL attorney.. she may get indicted soon for berniepdx420 Apr 2016 #23

What a sad and poorly informed post Gothmog Apr 2016 #25

I feel sorry for you too.. being so blind and confused.. but you seem content so.. happy life berniepdx420 Apr 2016 #27

I am enjoying your posts a great deal Gothmog Apr 2016 #29

You might want to figure out how time works, and what the word 'bribe" means. synergie May 2016 #85

You may be interested in this post CoffeeCat Apr 2016 #36

thanks CoffeeCat... i started using my block function today.. blocked Gothmog.. he is so smug berniepdx420 Apr 2016 #39

Your intuition was spot on CoffeeCat Apr 2016 #40

Where are you from ? berniepdx420 Apr 2016 #41

You mean like the 9-11 guy Demsrule86 May 2016 #90

in other words; if you can't beat them join them? Chasstev365 Apr 2016 #3

Sorry, Bernie Sanders. There is zero evidence of your ‘political revolution’ yet Gothmog Apr 2016 #6

Sanders says Southern primaries ‘distort reality’ Gothmog Apr 2016 #4

Yeap, not going to let them forget these dog whistles... too many of them from his campaign uponit7771 Apr 2016 #11

This is not a dream, it's just restoration of past policy, programs, FDR-minded Democracy. CentralCoaster Apr 2016 #8

It started with revolution meaning McConnel would listen to a million people outside his window... uponit7771 Apr 2016 #9

Wow, I had no idea Politicalboi Apr 2016 #10

Iowa & New Hampshire 'distorted reality' too. CrowCityDem Apr 2016 #12

It is worse than a distortion of reality OwlinAZ May 2016 #80

Iowa and New Hampshire are two 90%+ white states Gothmog May 2016 #104

wow wow wow - it is easier to say "no we can't" SoLeftIAmRight Apr 2016 #13

If you want this so-called revolution to be taken seriously, then produce the voters Gothmog Apr 2016 #16

Climate change and the sixth global mass-extinction event is happening now SoLeftIAmRight Apr 2016 #18

Clinton Is Winning The States That Look Like The Democratic Party Gothmog Apr 2016 #24

Run for the hills. The world is coming to an end!! redstateblues Apr 2016 #42

But not Clinton Gothmog May 2016 #95

He GOT millions and millions of voters. nt Bonobo May 2016 #88

And yet he trails Clinton by 3.2 million votes Gothmog May 2016 #94

Yes, but your assertion was ridiculous. You said "Where are the millions". Bonobo May 2016 #98

If Sanders actually produced his so-called revolution he would not be trailing by 3.2 million votes Gothmog May 2016 #100

Read Kevin Drum's piece in post 73 Gothmog Apr 2016 #76

Imagine Bernie Sanders wins the White House. Then what? Gothmog Apr 2016 #15

New voters? How about if the old ones just haul Hortensis May 2016 #112

Yep Gothmog May 2016 #115

No need to change. Everything is perfect as is. We just need a good manager. Armstead Apr 2016 #26

These guys would do a far better job than Sanders current team Gothmog Apr 2016 #30

yeah from 2 percent recognition to a close second against a massive Political Machine Armstead Apr 2016 #33

Single payer, a living wage, family leave, tuition free college, ending the drug war, breaking up think Apr 2016 #32

None of these policies have any chance of being adopted without millions and millions of new voters Gothmog Apr 2016 #35

And you do nothing but stand in the way.... think Apr 2016 #37

My main issue is control of the SCOTUS and Sanders is too weak of general election candidate Gothmog Apr 2016 #48

I live in the real world and do not believe in magic Gothmog May 2016 #97

Using your logic (?) the only proposals that have a chance of being passed are the ones rhett o rick May 2016 #96

There is nothing wrong with incremental changes in that these changes are real Gothmog May 2016 #105

That's some kind of rationalization to avoid fighting for those that are struggling. rhett o rick May 2016 #110

Sanders had his chance to prove that his revolution was real Gothmog May 2016 #114

How about free cars? redstateblues Apr 2016 #45

Any more right wing insults you can think up? think Apr 2016 #47

That could save Bernie in the NY primary redstateblues Apr 2016 #51

Revolutions grow and bobble around and grow some more oldandhappy Apr 2016 #34

But we are dealing with this election cycle and one candidate has 2.4 million more votes Gothmog Apr 2016 #38

yep!! oldandhappy Apr 2016 #43

Please give us a site that verifies this number including primary dates. OwlinAZ May 2016 #81

What if I told you his "unrealistic" proposals were ALREADY winning in the real world...? obamneycare Apr 2016 #44

Why single payer died in Vermont Gothmog Apr 2016 #46

Seems like the failure of single payer in VT is one of economics and scale, rather than politics obamneycare Apr 2016 #49

Vox: Most Bernie Sanders supporters aren't willing to pay for his revolution Gothmog Apr 2016 #56

Well, sure, when you phrase it that way... obamneycare Apr 2016 #58

Furthermore, with Sanders as the nominee, a GOP congress isn't a foregone conclusion... obamneycare Apr 2016 #50

According to Nancy Pelosi, Sanders' platform would kill down ballot congressional candidates Gothmog Apr 2016 #57

Recent evidence suggests otherwise obamneycare Apr 2016 #60

I agree, won't happen, not based in reality. The 2.4 million votes says a lot and we Thinkingabout Apr 2016 #52

KNR Lucinda Apr 2016 #53

Bernie Sanders' campaign is about more than one election. Eric J in MN Apr 2016 #54

It could have been about more than one election Demsrule86 May 2016 #91

Agree-the revolution is not happening and now this fight is for Sanders' vanity Gothmog May 2016 #103

I liked Sander well enough to vote for him in Ohio Demsrule86 May 2016 #113

I also like many of his policies but I live in the real world Gothmog May 2016 #116

It's absolutely real. If everyone who agreed with his policies stood up like humans, there would be highprincipleswork Apr 2016 #55

Bernie Sanders’ “Revolution” Isn’t Good Enough Gothmog Apr 2016 #59

You know, you are just arguing for getting him in there, as far as I can see. highprincipleswork Apr 2016 #63

Sanders will not be the nominee unless the millions and millions of new voters show up Gothmog Apr 2016 #66

I people would get out of hysteria and brainwashing and vote their principles, it would be done. highprincipleswork Apr 2016 #69

I don't see it either at present Proud Liberal Dem Apr 2016 #61

OP is an messiah Apr 2016 #62

This is a brilliant piece. Thanks for posting it. NurseJackie Apr 2016 #64

of course it is not real - it was a tactic to get the vote of a specific demographic DrDan Apr 2016 #65

It is also a tool for Sanders to make unrealistic proposals that can not be passed in the real world Gothmog Apr 2016 #67

excellent point - justification for bills that have no chance of being passed DrDan Apr 2016 #68

Anyone who says this hasn't been paying attention. bobbobbins01 Apr 2016 #70

It is obvious and we should expect OwlinAZ May 2016 #82

Bernie’s Failed Revolution Gothmog Apr 2016 #71

Bernie Sanders just accidentally explained why his political revolution has failed Gothmog Apr 2016 #72

Kevin Drum-Here's Why I Never Warmed Up to Bernie Sanders Gothmog Apr 2016 #73

ROFL PowerToThePeople Apr 2016 #75

Yes, it's real easy to bump heads with the most powerful democratic political machine. killbotfactory Apr 2016 #77

That election was not close at all Gothmog May 2016 #86

K & R Scurrilous May 2016 #79

This message was self-deleted by its author pat_k May 2016 #83

But Guccifer! ucrdem May 2016 #84

Well said, Demnorth May 2016 #87

We don't know yet. Period. cali May 2016 #89

Approximatekly 40 percent is not insignificant Armstead May 2016 #92

Sanders has still failed to produce his so-called revolution Gothmog May 2016 #93

This is not McDonalds Armstead May 2016 #99

Read the Drum article cited in post 79 Gothmog May 2016 #106

Post 79 is just a K&R...But to respond Armstead May 2016 #107

Sorry-post 73 Gothmog May 2016 #109

The GOP will block anything Turin_C3PO May 2016 #101

The premise of the Sanders' campaign is that this revolution would force the GOP to be reasonable Gothmog May 2016 #117

well. fear not: shit is about to get real. Hiraeth May 2016 #102

you wish G_j May 2016 #108

Every journey starts with one step... ( I made this quote up myself, pretty good, huh?) dinkytron May 2016 #111