2016 Postmortem
In reply to the discussion: The #1 key to the Democratic candidate winning in November is... [View all]HumanityExperiment
(1,442 posts)'Sanders supporters fall in the far left category'
This is intellectually dishonest and again with an attempt to marginalize the 9.3 million voters that have cast primary ballots for Bernie COMPARED to the 12.4 million for HRC are those numbers cast for Bernie 'fringe / extreme'? HARDLY...
emo progressive.. WTF? doubling down on attempts to marginalize again?
'Third parties are like bees, when they sting they die' are you kidding me? DEM and GOP are Varroa destructor in your 'bee' example... additional parties don't 'sting themselves to death', DEM and GOP invade and co-opt any party (depending on ideology as to which party invades the new) that even begins to show signs of life...
In your 'examples' it's always been a two party system slugfest, from those two the EVOLUTION from within those two ideology shifts them and can mutate them into something different but still within the context of 'liberal' or 'conservative' on the political spectrum... those two 'sides' never allowing an offshoot to grow
'I stand by statement that in our system most extreme political views rarely have a say in how our government is run. In my mind that is as good thing. I firmly believe that.'
You can 'believe' all you'd like, the power of the pen and assembly of those 'extreme' elements gave us women's suffrage, civil rights, anti-war movement, and on and on... they forced the two parties into issues and ideology they did not want to take on nor support.. HRC is a perfect example of complacency, of small measure moves, don't rock the boat... we would never have gotten to the moon with her and your perspective, we would with Bernie, this is the glaring difference between the two
We are at a global moment between fossil fuels and next gen sources and technology, the first nation to embrace and develop will be the global LEADER with the tech, manufacturing and support. We are also are a global moment on the war aspect, do we stop being the global police force without end and continued loss of 'blood and treasure' or do we step back and out to re-evaluate and assess?
SDs are very undemocratic, it's establishment putting it's two thumbs on the scale before anything is placed to be weighed...
There is no 'respect' given to the 'rights of ideological minorities', SDs were created to prevent another Jimmy Carter situation from ever occurring at convention again...
reviewing your posts I do see your deep partisan slant on things, a too tight embrace of and on establishment perception and talking points. taking that into account I see a bit better the angle and approach on your replies....
Last bit and we're done....
'That's way things work in a democracy'
Is completely incorrect, but I can see why you'd confuse this and attempt to push that 'narrative', it's intellectually dishonest from the context you're trying to craft from your recent reply...
you forget that most of the DEM primaries are closed, let's pretend for a moment that everyone of them was OPEN, and let's say 50/50 were caucus / primary... what happens to your 'That's way things work in a democracy' since we are using this primary and the ideological aspects of the two candidates as 'parties' in your scenario off your reply since that's the context that the OP stated with... follow?
Ok, so tell me who's correct and incorrect, me or you?
which 'party' wins in the more 'democracy' based example I've given?
Bernie or HRC?