2016 Postmortem

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76. No, you misunderstood my post. I would not have denied her the position.

Fri May 6, 2016, 01:42 AM

May 2016

However, I would not have given her credit for having done a good job as a Senator--and failure to get substantive legislation passed was certainly not her only lack as a Senator.

Also, your post assumes that elective office is the only "job" there is, which is massively untrue.

For example, given that the job of a director is to maximize profits for stockholders and the Waltons still contribute to her campaigns, I am guessing she did her job as Walmart director very well.

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I have a VERY serious question about political discourse for the next four to eight years. [View all] Armstead May 2016 OP

Have you seen "Idiocracy"? AgerolanAmerican May 2016 #1

very well said. n/t arendt May 2016 #7

Have you seen "Invasion of the Body Snatchers"? Baobab May 2016 #58

Nah, Sanders won't win. We'll be fine. ContinentalOp May 2016 #93

^^^^example of what I mean^^^^ Baobab May 2016 #114

I second the "very well said." Sadly we have too many authoritarian rhett o rick May 2016 #13

As a host you hated it when people alerted over sexism or racism and fought to keep it every time... bettyellen May 2016 #16

Complaining is fine AgingAmerican May 2016 #44

it is called upholding community standards. no sexism or racism, which is WHY I joined. bettyellen May 2016 #59

Go, Bettyellen! :) I'm sorry, though, I'm out of Hortensis May 2016 #127

�Their value system does not run from right to wrong - it runs from strong to weak.� riderinthestorm May 2016 #14

or human beings with self respect who disagree with you. Occurs razor dude. bettyellen May 2016 #30

Damn. Spot on. HooptieWagon May 2016 #32

So very true, thank you for this wonderful post! Kudos!! haikugal May 2016 #33

I posted comment about mean-spirited comics by C people vs. uplifting comics from B people snowy owl May 2016 #112

Great post! TransitJohn May 2016 #152

It has nothing to do with sexism when talking about factual things regarding Hillary Clinton. And bkkyosemite May 2016 #2

Clinton is an authoritarian. Authoritarianism will use suppression and censoring to silence ppl. kgnu_fan May 2016 #3

why does this sound like a post from a bot? bettyellen May 2016 #5

Clinton represents the authoritarian wing of the Democratic Party. The New Democrats are old GOPers. w4rma May 2016 #9

Exactly Bangbangdem May 2016 #34

^^ this ^^ amborin May 2016 #54

what you are still missing is that singling out her ambition was basically "a tell" that this bettyellen May 2016 #4

Mitt Romney pissed me and a lot of people off as governor Armstead May 2016 #17

Because I do truly believe you care to know..... bettyellen May 2016 #22

Mitt Romney was a very hard worker and very accomplished Armstead May 2016 #41

sorry- I should have qualified that as working in the public sector. their resumes do not compare. bettyellen May 2016 #55

I do recognize that Armstead May 2016 #73

I think most people who complained about SBS's voice were throwing it back in someone's face. That bettyellen May 2016 #79

Like x 1000000! AgadorSparticus May 2016 #100

Actually I suspect it's more that she meanders trudyco May 2016 #163

WHAT happened to almost all women 40 years ago? trudyco May 2016 #164

getting "hit on" by coworkers and bosses was the norm in the 60's and 70's. I don't know anyone bettyellen May 2016 #172

You won't get sense JackInGreen May 2016 #35

and this Amsted- is what we call "gas lighting" I am sure you can spot lots more in this thread.... bettyellen May 2016 #103

I'm just following your line of logic betty JackInGreen May 2016 #109

If you think talking about issues HURTS those the issues effect, you have bought a RW frame! bettyellen May 2016 #110

No I dont think in general they do JackInGreen May 2016 #141

You have just put yourself in charge of what a "valid opinion is".... the OP is talking bettyellen May 2016 #146

In spite of your two long explanations, Armstead is not being sexist one whit. pangaia May 2016 #38

"this is actually an extremely common complaint for men in the workplace against their female peers" hellofromreddit May 2016 #26

I encourage you to read up on it. Many men are shocked to realize the bias that is out there- bettyellen May 2016 #29

That doesn't really follow. hellofromreddit May 2016 #37

I am familiar with the old "you cannot prove that in this case it was sexist" saw. bettyellen May 2016 #43

The absence of proof is not proof itself no matter how you convolve the two. hellofromreddit May 2016 #119

You seek to censor conversation a poster here has initiated for their own enlightenment. Why? bettyellen May 2016 #149

Now you're just lying. hellofromreddit May 2016 #158

you argue that if a person says they are not being sexist, then we should just believe them..... bettyellen May 2016 #159

You've compounded your lying and lowed your level of discourse. hellofromreddit May 2016 #160

"DOn't say sexist things" would be a super place to start, bro Tarc May 2016 #6

I can't muster any pity for this OP. n/t JTFrog May 2016 #20

I'm asking for an explanation....Your 'pity" is not sought nor desired. Armstead May 2016 #28

My point is that when everything gets construed that way, nothing can be said Armstead May 2016 #24

Not everything has been construed that way. You know better than that. bettyellen May 2016 #27

No i honestly don't. And I'm pushing this because it matters Armstead May 2016 #31

You can not win this. The tree is being missed for being blinded by the forest. pangaia May 2016 #42

He is trying to learn from this experience, and that is awesome. You all should take a page from bettyellen May 2016 #68

Ugh..please, spare me pangaia May 2016 #95

you guys are so cute hoping the wants to wallow in ignorance. bettyellen May 2016 #113

wrong pangaia May 2016 #131

You guys- It has long been housed as a variant of you people. Also, see "dudes". bettyellen May 2016 #147

I view these tactics as being detrimental to women and it is the same thing you see in narcissistic haikugal May 2016 #45

They say the same things even when there's no election. Waiting For Everyman May 2016 #8

By abusing their labels and misusing those labels to smear others with they diminish those labels.nt w4rma May 2016 #10

Exactly right. nt Waiting For Everyman May 2016 #11

Ah, the old complaining about sexist shit IS sexist.... LOL. Good one! bettyellen May 2016 #12

No. Crying wolf by calling progressives sexist IS indeed sexist. And it's damages the credibility of w4rma May 2016 #15

You are confused- we called the post sexist- not the person. That sort of confusion leads you to bettyellen May 2016 #18

Except the post isn't "sexist" either. The post can be used for any identity with the same meaning. w4rma May 2016 #19

That is not for you to decide. Cute that you would think so though, LOL. Am laughing, not crying. bettyellen May 2016 #23

Who gets to decide? BlindTiresias May 2016 #111

Thanks. The incessant accusations of sexism and racism over things that are neither merrily May 2016 #21

"divisive identity politics stuff. " a RW meme if ever there was one! bettyellen May 2016 #25

Thank you!!!! Good logic, something the dweebs are sadly lacking. haikugal May 2016 #47

I've always suspected you were a dweebist! merrily May 2016 #50

LOL haikugal May 2016 #51

Have you bothered to look at things ... NanceGreggs May 2016 #36

I know it goes both ways, and I am not complaining that Bernie has been mistreated Armstead May 2016 #63

So you've been called a "sexist", have you? NanceGreggs May 2016 #98

This isn't just about DU. It's about the larger political discourse. Armstead May 2016 #123

my issue is DonCoquixote May 2016 #67

What is the hang-up ... NanceGreggs May 2016 #81

Seems they are more concerned about being called sexist than actual sexism. JTFrog May 2016 #137

Typical of racism as well. We have the "you can't prove it, so shut up" contingency arriving here bettyellen May 2016 #150

It's political correctness run amok I tell ya! ContinentalOp May 2016 #39

I have no quarrel with political correctness. As I understand it, it's avoiding hurting people merrily May 2016 #48

You don't see how, for example... ContinentalOp May 2016 #57

Claiming the Peter Principle has something to do with sexism is spurious and specious. merrily May 2016 #64

That's not what I'm claiming. I just looked back at the post in question ContinentalOp May 2016 #74

No, you misunderstood my post. I would not have denied her the position. merrily May 2016 #76

Alright ContinentalOp May 2016 #78

Again, you misunderstood my post. I did not think she was ok as a Senator. merrily May 2016 #82

I don't think I characterized any of your comments as sexist. ContinentalOp May 2016 #91

"That doesn't stifle political discourse. It is political discourse!" Wow- stealing this- thanks! bettyellen May 2016 #61

thanks! ContinentalOp May 2016 #69

Well look around, on the crazy train some here are on- women's issues are NOT serious issues.... bettyellen May 2016 #84

Women? ContinentalOp May 2016 #87

My observation has been that it is a blend of both... bettyellen May 2016 #89

Well you cavalierly dismissed homophobia the other day Prism May 2016 #143

You mean defending a poster here was attacked for talking about her son coming out? bettyellen May 2016 #148

You know your sin Prism May 2016 #169

My sin, LOL? Thank god I don't give a fuck about what anyone thinks is a sin or sacred, LOL. bettyellen May 2016 #170

Excellent post. nt auntpurl May 2016 #115

You just have to learn to ignore it because it is not going away Samantha May 2016 #40

I think what you wrote was absolutely sexist, albeit thinly veiled. nt. nolawarlock May 2016 #46

You got your ass handed to you for your sexist OP. KittyWampus May 2016 #49

I'm similarly concerned about the discourse here, Armstead. elleng May 2016 #52

Me too. But it would be helpful if you both said something when you see the shitty sexism..... bettyellen May 2016 #107

I think it is the nature of politics. Everyone has something BootinUp May 2016 #53

When was the last time a Democrat ran a racist Democratic Presidential primary campaign ? merrily May 2016 #56

I guess that I know why you are asking that, but BootinUp May 2016 #65

I can certainly understand why a Hillary supporter would duck that discussion and, no, it was racist merrily May 2016 #70

To be sure we are talking about the same thing BootinUp May 2016 #71

Let's not play brand new. I am not going to recount 2008 for you. Googling Obama campaign race merrily May 2016 #72

The term racist is not appropriate in my opinion. And no I didn't BootinUp May 2016 #77

I would not expect a Hillary supporter to admit that "racist" was the right term for the 2008 merrily May 2016 #80

What good does it do to rehash this between a known Clinton reviler and BootinUp May 2016 #83

You uses a slur word like "reviler" to someone posting about Hillary's well-documented history. merrily May 2016 #85

You don't see that people can interpret the or read between the lines BootinUp May 2016 #86

OMG. Read between the lines differently = apologia for racist dog whistles. merrily May 2016 #90

Thanks for sharing your opinions. nt BootinUp May 2016 #92

You're welcome. Mine don't change, depending on the candidate, so you can rely on them. merrily May 2016 #94

Since we only discussed one case I am curious how you can make BootinUp May 2016 #96

You and I have had discussions before, whether you remember them or not. merrily May 2016 #97

I am well aware that they are not perfect, lol. BootinUp May 2016 #101

Yet, you will argue ad infinitum on every point. That is not being forgiving. That is stonewalling. merrily May 2016 #102

I don't think the truth has to be only a choice between BootinUp May 2016 #104

Sorry. Defending every point to the death with standard Clinton talking points, then merrily May 2016 #105

And with a clean conscience too. Sorry you didn't enjoy the discussion. nt BootinUp May 2016 #106

LOL! I enjoyed it, in a way and to a point. merrily May 2016 #108

I would say that saying the Southern vote comprised of Black Hillary supporters Demsrule86 May 2016 #166

That was a "racially-tinged" attack on Hillary, comparable to the racially tinged attacks on Obama merrily May 2016 #167

That's true Armstead May 2016 #88

It's sexist to complain of sexism if someone points out discrediting facts about your deeds, policie amborin May 2016 #60

You said you would have "liked her better" if she hadn't, and I think that's what got me. moriah May 2016 #62

Yes! The like her there- but not over here thing. All too common for men to want to map that, LOL. bettyellen May 2016 #66

You're right, that was definitely the most galling part. ContinentalOp May 2016 #75

People say all the time "I used to like Bernie as a Senator when he wasn't running for president." Armstead May 2016 #122

part of it was "the content to be" senator. ambition was the big problem you highlighted. bettyellen May 2016 #171

I perhaps could have used a different term...but I dunno what Armstead May 2016 #173

I get that. But making your own choice is different than others telling you where you "should be bettyellen May 2016 #174

There is no civil discourse here. Perhaps it's by design. Autumn May 2016 #99

Wow, you're...doubling down. auntpurl May 2016 #116

I generally have an excess of self-reflection...and I know a lot of women who aren't reticent... Armstead May 2016 #121

I have never accused you of being sexist before. auntpurl May 2016 #125

No easy answer. pat_k May 2016 #117

What a silly question. Buzz cook May 2016 #118

There isn't anything sexist about your post... TCJ70 May 2016 #120

The "Who? Me?" shtick ain't working. NurseJackie May 2016 #124

Thing is these days, pretty much anything can be branded as sexist shit Armstead May 2016 #126

Watch your step. Avoid shit piles and using ... NurseJackie May 2016 #130

You have to understand that your comments do not stand alone. Adrahil May 2016 #128

Well if the guy is lazy, and is making his co-workers carry the load..... Armstead May 2016 #138

You asked. I told you. Adrahil May 2016 #139

I am not just trying to justify my comments Armstead May 2016 #140

Well, it's not always easy. Adrahil May 2016 #144

Yes, you are trying to justify your comments. NurseJackie May 2016 #165

Political discourse...bwahahahaha Cosmic Kitten May 2016 #129

I remember your post... Mike Nelson May 2016 #132

Suppose Jeb Bush had been more aggressive about running and actually became the frontrunner Armstead May 2016 #136

these guys have not been saddled with being described in terms similar to Bond villains- bettyellen May 2016 #153

Actually I appreciate ambition Armstead May 2016 #155

I get it. Most good men are kind of blind to seeing how these biases play out. We like to give bettyellen May 2016 #156

Discourse will be stifled when a Dem is in the WH regardless of race or gender. LWolf May 2016 #133

It's simply not difficult to write clearly and without ambiguity. LanternWaste May 2016 #134

Maybe we are sick of hearing negative crap about our candidate Hillary Clinton Demsrule86 May 2016 #135

The effort to stop all criticism of Hillary by yelling "Sexism!" is infuriating to me as a feminist. Arugula Latte May 2016 #142

Well, obviously, they don't. nt bemildred May 2016 #145

Almost every one of the complaints you list being leveled at Sanders Fresh_Start May 2016 #151

Your mistake is to think they have any interest in honest discussion. They have 1 job: Vincardog May 2016 #154

If feminist women scare you that much- get help. Seriously. We are as fully human and honest as you bettyellen May 2016 #157

Try listening. wildeyed May 2016 #161

It's not and that's very much the Clintonian intent. Chan790 May 2016 #162

Who exactly is stifling you? CBHagman May 2016 #168