2016 Postmortem

bjo59

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28. Have to agree with you. It's a real eye opener.

Reply to Jokerman (Original post)

Fri May 6, 2016, 04:14 PM

May 2016

People can't defend democracy if they don't even know what it is.

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The number of "democrats" on this board who hate democracy is appalling. [View all] Jokerman May 2016 OP

I know trying to overturn the will of the voters is wrong Demsrule86 May 2016 #1

Nobody, especially Sanders, has any intention or desire of doing that. lagomorph777 May 2016 #6

Except for the millions more who WhiteTara May 2016 #31

I disagree with her positions, lagomorph777 May 2016 #37

These are only a few of the epitaphs that are used WhiteTara May 2016 #44

For the record, I'd be delighted to have a woman president lagomorph777 May 2016 #47

Oh, I'm sure that you would have found reasons WhiteTara May 2016 #51

Faults? No doubt. But I have followed them over the years and both have fought for the 99% lagomorph777 May 2016 #66

Epithet. The Velveteen Ocelot May 2016 #108

damn auto fill and spell check WhiteTara May 2016 #112

Her positions and Bernie's positions are closer than any Republican... LaydeeBug May 2016 #49

Oh, I must have overslept - is it July already? The will of WV, CA, OR has been told? lagomorph777 May 2016 #50

Thank you! OnionPatch May 2016 #104

Yes, which is another primary point why our elections are not democratic. MoonchildCA May 2016 #114

your not gas lighting me DLCWIdem May 2016 #64

Perhaps you turned on the gas yourself lagomorph777 May 2016 #67

Wow. Most misguided OP in a long time. Buzz Clik May 2016 #2

Post removed Post removed May 2016 #12

Ok, gloves off. Buzz Clik May 2016 #19

+100 rock May 2016 #27

Ooooooooooo.... Purveyor May 2016 #42

Woohoo! Now that's what I call telling somebody off. And he/she sure asked for it. brush May 2016 #61

Excellent response. Andy823 May 2016 #82

That has got to leave a mark! COLGATE4 May 2016 #113

Nicely done! NurseJackie May 2016 #118

Nicely done. JoePhilly May 2016 #119

So the Democratic Party is a *club* more than a philosophy or set of principles. yodermon May 2016 #14

It's only a club, and not at all a philosophy or a set of principles. Donald Ian Rankin May 2016 #123

I thought third party advocacy was a TOS violation, and that looks like what you're doing. nt Electric Monk May 2016 #17

Until we get a system in place that we can trust, I support caucuses b/c they're harder to steal. Skwmom May 2016 #3

Caucuses in the past have supported the front runner. If HRC had won the caucuses, you'd hate them. FSogol May 2016 #4

Again. Caucuses are harder to steal. The only two she won were Iowa where even the Skwmom May 2016 #21

Total nonsense. n/t FSogol May 2016 #22

It is. She likes them because they worked for Bernie Hortensis May 2016 #40

No machines. Paper ballots only monitored by reps from all candidates. floriduck May 2016 #30

We have a lot of red states right now WhiteTara May 2016 #35

Caucuses are even easier to steal. Hand counts hoping the counters turn in honest results brush May 2016 #65

I've sadi this here before Ferd Berfel May 2016 #5

"Thurd Way" is a typo lagomorph777 May 2016 #9

Post removed Post removed May 2016 #11

Closed primaries do not disenfranchise voters. Adrahil May 2016 #7

Can someone explain to me why Caucuses are bad? I've only voted in one and was pretty democratic. Joob May 2016 #8

Caucuses are bad because She couldn't steal them. The machine did the best it could but not enough. Vincardog May 2016 #10

The only fair election has a Bernie win. I know. WhiteTara May 2016 #36

Show me the ballots. The exit polls don't match on the Democratic side. Vincardog May 2016 #39

There aren't any ballots in a caucus. WhiteTara May 2016 #46

Bernie won the caucuses. They also don't count the individuals hence the HRC crowd's constant "We Vincardog May 2016 #54

Bernie won SOME of the caucuses. WhiteTara May 2016 #63

She's ahead any way you count it she has no need to steal anything Ohioblue22 May 2016 #55

Then why does she keep doing it? Vincardog May 2016 #56

She isn't you are just mad cause your prefered is losing Ohioblue22 May 2016 #59

Because not everybody can devote hours to stay at one mythology May 2016 #33

I voted at noon. And no one has to say who they vote for. Joob May 2016 #45

take too long no secret ballot DLCWIdem May 2016 #68

Well I voted in one and experienced none of that, took 2 hours Joob May 2016 #72

sorry but I will always prefer my mail in ballot primary over our caucus. liberal_at_heart May 2016 #81

Not all caucus elections work like that Mnpaul May 2016 #93

very good DLCWIdem May 2016 #115

I am from Minnesota Mnpaul May 2016 #116

my co-worker was very excited about participating in her very first caucaus DLCWIdem May 2016 #120

Bernie knew the rules up front, so he has no cause for complaint when he's losing. procon May 2016 #13

He was so busy trashing his opponent he couldn't be WhiteTara May 2016 #48

If your candidate was winning based on everything you stated in your OP, asuhornets May 2016 #15

From what I understand Proud Liberal Dem May 2016 #16

Also, MSMITH33156 May 2016 #23

Right Proud Liberal Dem May 2016 #26

Those party rules worked better when we were the majority jwirr May 2016 #25

Yep. Only an undemocratic asshole would argue that the superdelegates should overturn Nye Bevan May 2016 #18

Numerous Sanders supporters have made the property owner argument. NCTraveler May 2016 #20

Sanders voters Turin_C3PO May 2016 #24

They have made the property owner argument. Very clearly. I am taking nothing out of context. NCTraveler May 2016 #29

That's terrible. Turin_C3PO May 2016 #32

Have to agree with you. It's a real eye opener. bjo59 May 2016 #28

"Undergrounders" who are in love with our overlords. nt. villager May 2016 #34

I'm not arguing in favor of any of those things... Blue_Tires May 2016 #38

They are authoritarian elitists. HooptieWagon May 2016 #41

I agree with you on Superdelegates and caucuses LostOne4Ever May 2016 #43

I think there are several problems with the current landscape trudyco May 2016 #79

My candidate doesn't do well when only dems are allow to pick it's party's nom so therefore we need Ohioblue22 May 2016 #52

If you don't allow Independents a say in the primary then don't be surprised liberal_at_heart May 2016 #58

If you refuse to commit to a party don't be surprised if can't vote in their primary Ohioblue22 May 2016 #60

So I guess you don't care how Independents vote in the GE. Good to know. liberal_at_heart May 2016 #62

Then I guess they don't care what type of government they get. Bush's administration worked out very Ohioblue22 May 2016 #70

Well then the Democrats shouldn't complain when they don't get the Independent vote in the GE. liberal_at_heart May 2016 #71

Then indies shouldn't complain when they lose the right to abortions, or voting , net neutrality, Ohioblue22 May 2016 #73

If they had a say in who wins the primary they may be more inclined to vote Democratic. liberal_at_heart May 2016 #74

They can have a say just join the party Ohioblue22 May 2016 #75

Many have, but some states are either making it very difficult or outright switching liberal_at_heart May 2016 #77

In 2012 Romney won with Independents jamese777 May 2016 #84

Independents are now 42% of the electorate and growing. liberal_at_heart May 2016 #86

More People Are Engaged in this election jamese777 May 2016 #89

And most of that is due to excitement for Bernie. If he doesn't win the primary, liberal_at_heart May 2016 #90

No one knows what will happen 6 months from now jamese777 May 2016 #96

We do know they both have low favorability ratings and we know both will fling huge liberal_at_heart May 2016 #97

Don't wait till the last minute to try to switch Ohioblue22 May 2016 #87

Ah, blame the voter. That's great. Why not make them bring voter ID with them while liberal_at_heart May 2016 #88

110,000 changed their affiliation in Oregon jamese777 May 2016 #92

Yes, and Bernie is expected to do very well in Oregon. Like I said the excitement is for Bernie. liberal_at_heart May 2016 #95

It's the voter's responsibility to take care of their own registration, isn't it? Ohioblue22 May 2016 #99

Yes, and it is also the government's and the parties' responsibility to make liberal_at_heart May 2016 #100

States having closed Primaries is not them trying to make it harder for you to vote in them . Primar Ohioblue22 May 2016 #102

Sorry but I believe closed primaries are undemocratic. You will not convince me otherwise. liberal_at_heart May 2016 #105

Of course because you wanted Bernie to win so anything you view as an obstacle to that is bad and Ohioblue22 May 2016 #122

caucus suck MFM008 May 2016 #53

The sour is strong in these grapes Ohioblue22 May 2016 #57

They are making whine. wildeyed May 2016 #111

KNR amborin May 2016 #69

How long have we known about the primary season? justiceischeap May 2016 #76

Take these complaints to the General Election, this is primary time, in fact the Thinkingabout May 2016 #78

Super delegates are elected public and party officials The Second Stone May 2016 #80

A Political Party is a private entity jamese777 May 2016 #83

I agree DesertRat May 2016 #85

Plus... Do the people pushing for change want the DNC to force the states into one-size-fits all.. Henhouse May 2016 #94

If Conservatives or Independents want to join the Democratic party, do so. randome May 2016 #91

I don't want self-identified Republicans ratfucking us -- my only reason for.. moriah May 2016 #98

Following this board, the next fad is only women of 50 and up will be allowed to vote. insta8er May 2016 #101

Nah, they just vote in far greater numbers wildeyed May 2016 #106

When the GOP disenfranchises them this Fall.. Jack Bone May 2016 #103

Seems to me like OnionPatch May 2016 #107

There is a de facto poll tax in some states. grasswire May 2016 #109

You and I disagree on what the term wildeyed May 2016 #110

What's next? Hillary is soliciting Bush donors. Broward May 2016 #117

Yes. Already ongoing. nt silvershadow May 2016 #121