2016 Postmortem

lumberjack_jeff

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107. With Clinton, it's not about where she goes, it's about what she says.

Reply to msanthrope (Reply #90)

Sun May 8, 2016, 06:49 PM

May 2016

Here's Sanders talking to Liberty University;

Perhaps Clinton might see fit to share what she told Goldman Sachs.

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NYT: Clinton pivoting to court GOP Donors and White Republican "Megachurch Moms" [View all] Armstead May 2016 OP

How Progressive. AzDar May 2016 #1

Did Bernie Sanders not reach out to those same voters? oberliner May 2016 #43

A campaign speech? What a load of fresh horseshit SwampG8r May 2016 #48

Huh? oberliner May 2016 #51

He spoke.at a convocation as an invited guest SwampG8r May 2016 #55

All the candidates running for president were extended such an invitation oberliner May 2016 #63

False equivalence. Kall May 2016 #101

Talking more about the "megachurch moms" part of the article oberliner May 2016 #102

It's fine to reach out to everyone. Pivoting off the values you've been representing, that sucks!!!! highprincipleswork May 2016 #79

Bernie's says come join the revelution. Clinton says move over I'm going to join you. Vote War! bahrbearian May 2016 #94

Vintage Clinton Machine Triangulation... NewImproved Deal May 2016 #2

Clinton-Goldwater Kittycat May 2016 #21

Rightwards, ever rightwards... NewImproved Deal May 2016 #25

This message was self-deleted by its author CobaltBlue May 2016 #26

Did Bernie Sanders not reach out to those same voters? oberliner May 2016 #44

I think so noiretextatique May 2016 #59

^^ He didn't change his message or evolve/devolve Kittycat May 2016 #62

That's true oberliner May 2016 #65

Yes he did Andy823 May 2016 #105

Yep...which is why I noiretextatique May 2016 #58

Good luck Hillary! Joob May 2016 #3

I heard the NASCAR Moms are looking for a candidate Blue Owl May 2016 #4

Good. I want to win. nt BreakfastClub May 2016 #5

at any cost? Armstead May 2016 #7

BreakfastClub hearts the GOP now, they love whatever their leader loves, RW being top of the list nt Dragonfli May 2016 #14

And she and the kids at Camp Weathervane will blame Bernie's supporters dflprincess May 2016 #6

Bernie gave a campaign speech at Liberty University oberliner May 2016 #45

Not a campaign speech why are.you lieing? SwampG8r May 2016 #49

What do you mean? oberliner May 2016 #52

I can only guess, having read that poster in the past that the poster being a hawk explains much /nt Dragonfli May 2016 #86

Here comes the choice flip-flop. HooptieWagon May 2016 #8

Wasn't there talk of Sanders growing the party? KingFlorez May 2016 #9

Yeah, that is why he avoided "wedge issues" for most of his career- cross over appeal. bettyellen May 2016 #13

Avoided wedge issues? Armstead May 2016 #20

Well before he was called on it, yes- he avoided "identity politics" entirely. bettyellen May 2016 #30

Please define wedge issues and identity politics. Luminous Animal May 2016 #33

Come on now- why pretend you need me to define them? bettyellen May 2016 #36

Someone on this thread is characterizing it as a campaign speech SwampG8r May 2016 #50

He didn't pander...There's a difference Armstead May 2016 #19

Where does this article say that she is changing her message? KingFlorez May 2016 #28

That's a reasonable response. Armstead May 2016 #29

The big difference being... ljm2002 May 2016 #42

... TDale313 May 2016 #10

OMG NOBODY SAW THIS COMING Joe the Revelator May 2016 #11

She knows where her base is. Real life DINO. libdem4life May 2016 #12

Finally giving up the phony Democrat spiel and getting back with her base. Dragonfli May 2016 #15

Bernie Sanders reached out to Republican voters as well oberliner May 2016 #53

He reached out to Rebublcans to get VA legislation passes to help veterans, but he never reached Dragonfli May 2016 #69

he hasn't reached out to ANY donors. bettyellen May 2016 #70

But he has reached out to conservative Christian voters oberliner May 2016 #71

Those common values were about the poor, Hillary's common values are about sharing Neocon values Dragonfli May 2016 #73

What Clinton speech are you referencing? oberliner May 2016 #75

I referenced no speech. I merely read newspapers and am not uniformed. /nt Dragonfli May 2016 #84

I feel nauseous..... alittlelark May 2016 #16

This is why people supported Sanders DonCoquixote May 2016 #17

That's the unicorn in this election XemaSab May 2016 #38

an reply worthy of it being it's own op DonCoquixote May 2016 #76

YOu know who Hillary reminds me of DonCoquixote May 2016 #80

She reminds me of Walter White XemaSab May 2016 #82

Sanders also reached out to these same voters oberliner May 2016 #46

Yes he did...He challenged them Armstead May 2016 #61

It was a great speech oberliner May 2016 #64

If she becomes the nominee, I guess we'll see as the General progresses.... Armstead May 2016 #66

Debbie Wasserman Schultz will not ALLOW HER TO DonCoquixote May 2016 #77

no surprise oldandhappy May 2016 #18

Gee, who could have possibly seen this coming? TransitJohn May 2016 #22

Paging Dick Morris....Your services are needed Armstead May 2016 #23

White Women are more likely to vote Democratic than White men JI7 May 2016 #24

Duplicity Is As Duplicity Does cantbeserious May 2016 #27

Why not? creeksneakers2 May 2016 #31

The "Jesus Camp" mega-church Moms? SMC22307 May 2016 #32

Oh, like Sanders did the Liberty University students, staff, and faculty? obamanut2012 May 2016 #34

They aren't going to acknowledge this fact. JoePhilly May 2016 #74

+1, and they're not explaining how this is counter to any of her primary message. They're desperate uponit7771 May 2016 #83

Clinton: the candidate of Black Lives Matter, AND Megachurch Moms! lumberjack_jeff May 2016 #35

Yes....because speaking at Liberty University or at the Vatican is acceptable for the man. msanthrope May 2016 #90

With Clinton, it's not about where she goes, it's about what she says. lumberjack_jeff May 2016 #107

Here's a video of Clinton speaking on this very topic: XemaSab May 2016 #37

And we were told over and over again by her supporters that she's a "progressive" davidn3600 May 2016 #39

with Sanders ibegurpard May 2016 #40

What a mega delusion, that Clintonian economics is going to help any of us in working class and highprincipleswork May 2016 #41

right--Lyle Lanley could never go back to North Haverbrook MisterP May 2016 #78

Yep. The elusive "values voter" of 2004 WILL BE courted and wooed! Warren DeMontague May 2016 #47

I hope the liberal Indies who haven't voted are taking note of this. Waiting For Everyman May 2016 #54

"Megachurch" moms? Guess that means the southern accent will return. Vinca May 2016 #56

Positively Clintonian noiretextatique May 2016 #57

Sanders reached out to these same voters oberliner May 2016 #67

Kicked MaeScott May 2016 #60

Remember the old Carnival con-games? Ferd Berfel May 2016 #68

You're fooling yourself if you think SBS isn't planning on scooping up some GOP votes too. bettyellen May 2016 #72

He would -- but not by telling Bush backers he's one of them... Armstead May 2016 #95

Oh for fucks sake, se has done more for women's reproductive rights than any candidate bettyellen May 2016 #120

We'll see....She has a tendency to shift her tone and positions Armstead May 2016 #121

I don't have to wait and see anything- she has acted with commitment and vigor for 20+ years.... bettyellen May 2016 #122

I have no problem with Hillary going after disgruntled moderate Republicans. DCBob May 2016 #81

+1 uponit7771 May 2016 #85

I have a feeling gun control is going to fall off the charts as an issue Armstead May 2016 #93

I dont think so. DCBob May 2016 #96

You post this like it's a bad strategy. Beacool May 2016 #87

That entirely depends on what 'reaching out' means. Kentonio May 2016 #88

Of course she's selling a different version of the country. Beacool May 2016 #89

The question is how much she will change to do so Armstead May 2016 #92

The way it is generally done is BootinUp May 2016 #97

It's fine when Sanders does it. wildeyed May 2016 #116

I wish Hillary would stop trying to win this damn election /sarcasm BootinUp May 2016 #91

She would be a fool not to appeal to them anigbrowl May 2016 #98

So Republicans are "the center" now? The Bushes? Armstead May 2016 #99

Was that what I wrote? No. anigbrowl May 2016 #100

They are cultivating the Bushes too Armstead May 2016 #103

Sez you anigbrowl May 2016 #106

My best friend in the world is a right wing fundamentalisrt conservative Republican Armstead May 2016 #108

The plural of anecdote is not anecdata anigbrowl May 2016 #109

You have no idea how I think, so please spare me the psychoanalysis Armstead May 2016 #110

I go by how you argue anigbrowl May 2016 #112

We need Medicare. We need a public retirement program for seniors..... Armstead May 2016 #114

You are wasting your time and mine anigbrowl May 2016 #115

sez her own campaign Armstead May 2016 #111

The "Pivot" has occurred...much sooner than any of us anticipated it... KoKo May 2016 #104

I AM SICK AND TIRED OF ALL THESE MOTHE$#$%ING MEGACHURCH MOMS ON THIS MOTH#@$%%ING PLANE! Warren DeMontague May 2016 #113

To me, the issue is not that she "courts" Republican voters, but how she does it. DefenseLawyer May 2016 #117

And forget that passionate advocacy for strong gun control Armstead May 2016 #118

Get Joe Lieberman on the phone DefenseLawyer May 2016 #119