2016 Postmortem

anigbrowl

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115. You are wasting your time and mine

Sun May 8, 2016, 07:41 PM

May 2016

I will put my goals and aspirations up against yours any day. But goals with no delivery plan are no good to anyone. sanders' plans seem half-baked to me. Clinton's plans are more like wholewheat bread than delicious cake, but I have pretty high confidence in her baking skills.

As I've said before, why don't you just vote for Miss World? Those ladies who participate in beauty contests all say they're for an end to suffering, world peace etc., so why don't we make them the leaders of our society? Oh wait, it's because talk is cheap and none of them have a record of any kind to stand on.

I don't need someone to tell the direction for progress, I have a well-developed moral philosophy of my own. I like people with specific concrete plans that display a clear understanding of how things work, because that's how things get done. It's not as exciting as the religious-revival feel of a political rally...and that's a good thing. I don't trust candidates who are long on feel because I don't like having my emotions manipulated for political ends.

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NYT: Clinton pivoting to court GOP Donors and White Republican "Megachurch Moms" [View all] Armstead May 2016 OP

How Progressive. AzDar May 2016 #1

Did Bernie Sanders not reach out to those same voters? oberliner May 2016 #43

A campaign speech? What a load of fresh horseshit SwampG8r May 2016 #48

Huh? oberliner May 2016 #51

He spoke.at a convocation as an invited guest SwampG8r May 2016 #55

All the candidates running for president were extended such an invitation oberliner May 2016 #63

False equivalence. Kall May 2016 #101

Talking more about the "megachurch moms" part of the article oberliner May 2016 #102

It's fine to reach out to everyone. Pivoting off the values you've been representing, that sucks!!!! highprincipleswork May 2016 #79

Bernie's says come join the revelution. Clinton says move over I'm going to join you. Vote War! bahrbearian May 2016 #94

Vintage Clinton Machine Triangulation... NewImproved Deal May 2016 #2

Clinton-Goldwater Kittycat May 2016 #21

Rightwards, ever rightwards... NewImproved Deal May 2016 #25

This message was self-deleted by its author CobaltBlue May 2016 #26

Did Bernie Sanders not reach out to those same voters? oberliner May 2016 #44

I think so noiretextatique May 2016 #59

^^ He didn't change his message or evolve/devolve Kittycat May 2016 #62

That's true oberliner May 2016 #65

Yes he did Andy823 May 2016 #105

Yep...which is why I noiretextatique May 2016 #58

Good luck Hillary! Joob May 2016 #3

I heard the NASCAR Moms are looking for a candidate Blue Owl May 2016 #4

Good. I want to win. nt BreakfastClub May 2016 #5

at any cost? Armstead May 2016 #7

BreakfastClub hearts the GOP now, they love whatever their leader loves, RW being top of the list nt Dragonfli May 2016 #14

And she and the kids at Camp Weathervane will blame Bernie's supporters dflprincess May 2016 #6

Bernie gave a campaign speech at Liberty University oberliner May 2016 #45

Not a campaign speech why are.you lieing? SwampG8r May 2016 #49

What do you mean? oberliner May 2016 #52

I can only guess, having read that poster in the past that the poster being a hawk explains much /nt Dragonfli May 2016 #86

Here comes the choice flip-flop. HooptieWagon May 2016 #8

Wasn't there talk of Sanders growing the party? KingFlorez May 2016 #9

Yeah, that is why he avoided "wedge issues" for most of his career- cross over appeal. bettyellen May 2016 #13

Avoided wedge issues? Armstead May 2016 #20

Well before he was called on it, yes- he avoided "identity politics" entirely. bettyellen May 2016 #30

Please define wedge issues and identity politics. Luminous Animal May 2016 #33

Come on now- why pretend you need me to define them? bettyellen May 2016 #36

Someone on this thread is characterizing it as a campaign speech SwampG8r May 2016 #50

He didn't pander...There's a difference Armstead May 2016 #19

Where does this article say that she is changing her message? KingFlorez May 2016 #28

That's a reasonable response. Armstead May 2016 #29

The big difference being... ljm2002 May 2016 #42

... TDale313 May 2016 #10

OMG NOBODY SAW THIS COMING Joe the Revelator May 2016 #11

She knows where her base is. Real life DINO. libdem4life May 2016 #12

Finally giving up the phony Democrat spiel and getting back with her base. Dragonfli May 2016 #15

Bernie Sanders reached out to Republican voters as well oberliner May 2016 #53

He reached out to Rebublcans to get VA legislation passes to help veterans, but he never reached Dragonfli May 2016 #69

he hasn't reached out to ANY donors. bettyellen May 2016 #70

But he has reached out to conservative Christian voters oberliner May 2016 #71

Those common values were about the poor, Hillary's common values are about sharing Neocon values Dragonfli May 2016 #73

What Clinton speech are you referencing? oberliner May 2016 #75

I referenced no speech. I merely read newspapers and am not uniformed. /nt Dragonfli May 2016 #84

I feel nauseous..... alittlelark May 2016 #16

This is why people supported Sanders DonCoquixote May 2016 #17

That's the unicorn in this election XemaSab May 2016 #38

an reply worthy of it being it's own op DonCoquixote May 2016 #76

YOu know who Hillary reminds me of DonCoquixote May 2016 #80

She reminds me of Walter White XemaSab May 2016 #82

Sanders also reached out to these same voters oberliner May 2016 #46

Yes he did...He challenged them Armstead May 2016 #61

It was a great speech oberliner May 2016 #64

If she becomes the nominee, I guess we'll see as the General progresses.... Armstead May 2016 #66

Debbie Wasserman Schultz will not ALLOW HER TO DonCoquixote May 2016 #77

no surprise oldandhappy May 2016 #18

Gee, who could have possibly seen this coming? TransitJohn May 2016 #22

Paging Dick Morris....Your services are needed Armstead May 2016 #23

White Women are more likely to vote Democratic than White men JI7 May 2016 #24

Duplicity Is As Duplicity Does cantbeserious May 2016 #27

Why not? creeksneakers2 May 2016 #31

The "Jesus Camp" mega-church Moms? SMC22307 May 2016 #32

Oh, like Sanders did the Liberty University students, staff, and faculty? obamanut2012 May 2016 #34

They aren't going to acknowledge this fact. JoePhilly May 2016 #74

+1, and they're not explaining how this is counter to any of her primary message. They're desperate uponit7771 May 2016 #83

Clinton: the candidate of Black Lives Matter, AND Megachurch Moms! lumberjack_jeff May 2016 #35

Yes....because speaking at Liberty University or at the Vatican is acceptable for the man. msanthrope May 2016 #90

With Clinton, it's not about where she goes, it's about what she says. lumberjack_jeff May 2016 #107

Here's a video of Clinton speaking on this very topic: XemaSab May 2016 #37

And we were told over and over again by her supporters that she's a "progressive" davidn3600 May 2016 #39

with Sanders ibegurpard May 2016 #40

What a mega delusion, that Clintonian economics is going to help any of us in working class and highprincipleswork May 2016 #41

right--Lyle Lanley could never go back to North Haverbrook MisterP May 2016 #78

Yep. The elusive "values voter" of 2004 WILL BE courted and wooed! Warren DeMontague May 2016 #47

I hope the liberal Indies who haven't voted are taking note of this. Waiting For Everyman May 2016 #54

"Megachurch" moms? Guess that means the southern accent will return. Vinca May 2016 #56

Positively Clintonian noiretextatique May 2016 #57

Sanders reached out to these same voters oberliner May 2016 #67

Kicked MaeScott May 2016 #60

Remember the old Carnival con-games? Ferd Berfel May 2016 #68

You're fooling yourself if you think SBS isn't planning on scooping up some GOP votes too. bettyellen May 2016 #72

He would -- but not by telling Bush backers he's one of them... Armstead May 2016 #95

Oh for fucks sake, se has done more for women's reproductive rights than any candidate bettyellen May 2016 #120

We'll see....She has a tendency to shift her tone and positions Armstead May 2016 #121

I don't have to wait and see anything- she has acted with commitment and vigor for 20+ years.... bettyellen May 2016 #122

I have no problem with Hillary going after disgruntled moderate Republicans. DCBob May 2016 #81

+1 uponit7771 May 2016 #85

I have a feeling gun control is going to fall off the charts as an issue Armstead May 2016 #93

I dont think so. DCBob May 2016 #96

You post this like it's a bad strategy. Beacool May 2016 #87

That entirely depends on what 'reaching out' means. Kentonio May 2016 #88

Of course she's selling a different version of the country. Beacool May 2016 #89

The question is how much she will change to do so Armstead May 2016 #92

The way it is generally done is BootinUp May 2016 #97

It's fine when Sanders does it. wildeyed May 2016 #116

I wish Hillary would stop trying to win this damn election /sarcasm BootinUp May 2016 #91

She would be a fool not to appeal to them anigbrowl May 2016 #98

So Republicans are "the center" now? The Bushes? Armstead May 2016 #99

Was that what I wrote? No. anigbrowl May 2016 #100

They are cultivating the Bushes too Armstead May 2016 #103

Sez you anigbrowl May 2016 #106

My best friend in the world is a right wing fundamentalisrt conservative Republican Armstead May 2016 #108

The plural of anecdote is not anecdata anigbrowl May 2016 #109

You have no idea how I think, so please spare me the psychoanalysis Armstead May 2016 #110

I go by how you argue anigbrowl May 2016 #112

We need Medicare. We need a public retirement program for seniors..... Armstead May 2016 #114

You are wasting your time and mine anigbrowl May 2016 #115

sez her own campaign Armstead May 2016 #111

The "Pivot" has occurred...much sooner than any of us anticipated it... KoKo May 2016 #104

I AM SICK AND TIRED OF ALL THESE MOTHE$#$%ING MEGACHURCH MOMS ON THIS MOTH#@$%%ING PLANE! Warren DeMontague May 2016 #113

To me, the issue is not that she "courts" Republican voters, but how she does it. DefenseLawyer May 2016 #117

And forget that passionate advocacy for strong gun control Armstead May 2016 #118

Get Joe Lieberman on the phone DefenseLawyer May 2016 #119