2016 Postmortem

Triana

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123. We never were in the realm of "anyone can still win this/ it can go either way" thinking

Sun May 8, 2016, 09:03 PM

May 2016

It was handed to Hillary from the outset. Media ignored Sanders. Dem Establishment did what it historically does w/ progressive candidates: it manipulated every function to ensure he could never be nominated. Even debates. Everything.

It was assumed from the get-go that Bernie would never win. It was ensured from the get-go that he'd never win. The powers that be ie: Owners don't want that. The media which is owned and controlled by those same Owners don't want it. And the same Owners that pull the puppet strings for the Democratic establishment don't want that. And they were hellbound that it was NOT going to happen from the start of Election 2016. It was Hillary then. It's Hillary now.

So no we never WERE in the realm of "anyone can still win this/ it can go either way" thinking.

Their Queen is crowned.

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No Minds Are Being Changed [View all] NanceGreggs May 2016 OP

Replace the name "Hillary" with "Bernie" everywhere in your post and it's still just as true. n/t Binkie The Clown May 2016 #1

No, it wouldn't be. NanceGreggs May 2016 #7

Her supporters are generally obnoxious AgingAmerican May 2016 #13

Thanks for totally missing the point. NanceGreggs May 2016 #16

Thanks for failing to make a point. Self delete, save yourself some grief. nt Logical May 2016 #42

That's a bit obnoxious on your part, isn't it? xmas74 May 2016 #124

Thanks for the post, nancegreggs: SCantiGOP May 2016 #103

There is no effort whatsoever from Hillary supporters AgingAmerican May 2016 #155

That is an online study with a laughable 3.07 margin of error (which tells you right there pnwmom May 2016 #18

Thanks for blasting that phony poll intelligently. Hortensis May 2016 #76

And the results were interesting in their own right. xmas74 May 2016 #125

Specifically obnoxious, too. ChairmanAgnostic May 2016 #59

This website unbanned all Hillary's disruptors in coordination with Brocks million dollar AgingAmerican May 2016 #64

Yep, I bet there is a big star member now Duckhunter935 May 2016 #78

Are you saying only Hill supporters were allowed back? sheshe2 May 2016 #97

I'm saying most of the returned banned members were Hillary supporters AgingAmerican May 2016 #99

It's not surprising: BSS dominate the DU juries redstateblues May 2016 #111

With 85% of DU supporting Bernie, the jury pool may be tilted oasis May 2016 #118

If you look at their transparency page AgingAmerican May 2016 #119

Saying the word fuck does not get one hidden. See? Squinch May 2016 #127

Being abusive and dropping F-Bombs does AgingAmerican May 2016 #150

Fuck, fuck, fuck.... Squinch May 2016 #185

That isn't an F-Bomb AgingAmerican May 2016 #186

You keep saying there is no conspiracy. I have no idea what you are talking about, but I am Squinch May 2016 #187

Wait Bobbie Jo May 2016 #172

Lol! These guys kill me! Squinch May 2016 #188

Their harping seems to not have much effect. I tune it out. We need Bernie to continue brewens May 2016 #142

Too bad there weren't enough ... NanceGreggs May 2016 #168

I noticed that about Bernie supporters Lil Missy May 2016 #153

Anti-HRC posts don't persuade but anti-Bernie posts do? NT Eric J in MN May 2016 #21

Neither do. NanceGreggs May 2016 #24

Im guessing the FBI might help a few people change their minds going forward. litlbilly May 2016 #116

I'm guessing you've not heard the news... Squinch May 2016 #128

when Bernie wipes her out in Oregon and California, he will be in the lead with delagates and she litlbilly May 2016 #169

She has not won the nomination. If she had, that would only make all the anti-Bernie posts even merrily May 2016 #27

Sorry Bernie is done. He will endorse Hillary at the convention redstateblues May 2016 #112

Sorry, both parts of my Reply 27 were accurate. merrily May 2016 #164

We never were in the realm of "anyone can still win this/ it can go either way" thinking Triana May 2016 #123

Sorry Nance, it is just as true. Hillary fans are the real "BernieBros". berni_mccoy May 2016 #174

indeed so Duckhunter935 May 2016 #77

+1 krawhitham May 2016 #190

Made this same point to you and all the Bernie bashers. n/t JimDandy May 2016 #2

The point now being ... NanceGreggs May 2016 #6

The 4 main reasons are the same reasons you keep engaging with us: JimDandy May 2016 #11

Yes, there might be some people who are still persuadable. But the election has already been decided pnwmom May 2016 #20

No, that is a lie. The convention hasn't even started yet. ChairmanAgnostic May 2016 #60

IF, a big if, Bernie got to the GE, the truth and non truths would be out, Hillary did not choose to Thinkingabout May 2016 #156

Or her getting indicted. Fawke Em May 2016 #89

"You are not changing anyone�s mind." Indeed. villager May 2016 #3

I keeping wondering, what's the point of all that wasted energy and time? betsuni May 2016 #4

Project much? Katashi_itto May 2016 #5

Project what? NanceGreggs May 2016 #8

Are you familiar with the psychological term 'projection'? CrawlingChaos May 2016 #10

It has nothing to do with being "rude" ... NanceGreggs May 2016 #12

Message auto-removed Name removed May 2016 #23

You have to be kidding! Hillary's the most public candidate in history... Sancho May 2016 #29

Message auto-removed Name removed May 2016 #32

Not according to 20 years of Gallup polls.... Sancho May 2016 #33

Yes, it seems to be the defense mechansim of choice for the very upset Bernie supporters. synergie May 2016 #22

The best that can be said for your post is that it hints at a desire for civility. Betty Karlson May 2016 #9

You don't think that Hillary Clinton has been subjected to legitimate (and illegitimate)..... George II May 2016 #55

No. She has been subjected to mostly illegitimate criticism. Betty Karlson May 2016 #63

Sorry -- it ain't over til the fat lady sings. And gawd I hope she doesn't sing. (talking about BigBearJohn May 2016 #14

No matter how loud ... NanceGreggs May 2016 #17

She's just about finished clearing her throat. brush May 2016 #54

Denial is a river redstateblues May 2016 #113

They are talking to themselves, convincing each other that "victory" is just Surya Gayatri May 2016 #15

Exactly. okasha May 2016 #94

Yes, I get your drift, Nance. And, really too bad for them that Hillary is going to win Cha May 2016 #19

Correct. murielm99 May 2016 #25

No, it's not pointless. Beowulf May 2016 #56

Nearly every word in your post murielm99 May 2016 #88

Just because YOU can't see it doesn't mean it's "meaningless propaganda." Fawke Em May 2016 #90

More word salad, murielm99 May 2016 #145

How does the koolaid taste? Beowulf May 2016 #93

I will be drinking champagne murielm99 May 2016 #146

I assume some serial posters are paid operatives. Sancho May 2016 #26

I wonder why anybody would waste money hiring trolls on DU. MoonRiver May 2016 #48

I don't know, but maybe the RW would pay people to attack Hillary. Sancho May 2016 #114

It is definitely very suspicious, and many get banned shortly after "awaking." MoonRiver May 2016 #181

And they're easily identifiable. okasha May 2016 #95

K&R! DemonGoddess May 2016 #28

So why did you change yours after 2008? hobbit709 May 2016 #30

she went away right after you asked the question. I posted what you are talking about below litlbilly May 2016 #62

LOL! NanceGreggs May 2016 #69

My fault, didnt look at the timeline. But still, it isnt funny and im still trying to figure out litlbilly May 2016 #71

Probably because ... NanceGreggs May 2016 #75

Im not a kid, im 62, they are just not looking deep enough. I dont dislike Hillary, but I have litlbilly May 2016 #81

Just to get this out of the way. If Elizabeth Warren was running and not Bernie, i would litlbilly May 2016 #82

I really find it hysterical that people here, who don't or barely know those they respond to... George II May 2016 #120

What is the point of all of the anti-Bernie screeds? Vattel May 2016 #31

What is the point of all the anti-Hillary screeds? sheshe2 May 2016 #101

The author of the OP says that there is no point to them. Vattel May 2016 #107

yet here you are... ibegurpard May 2016 #34

I threw a recommendation to your post to highlight the one sided aggressiveness of the Clintonites. w4rma May 2016 #35

KNR Lucinda May 2016 #36

Another K&R NastyRiffraff May 2016 #37

I refer you to this Nance. litlbilly May 2016 #38

Looks like someone changed her mind. /nt Sweet Freedom May 2016 #57

It sure does. litlbilly May 2016 #61

Not at all. NanceGreggs May 2016 #68

You did change your mind Sweet Freedom May 2016 #86

I fing it amazing how so many here at DU are capable of a complete about-face panader0 May 2016 #184

Yesterday's wave of "Look what this asshole protester did!" posts was also futile. hellofromreddit May 2016 #39

It's called a message board...... for discussion Armstead May 2016 #40

"Debate and discussion" left the building ... NanceGreggs May 2016 #73

IF that pic wasnt out there it wouldnt be posted. It is what it is. litlbilly May 2016 #117

Yes, it is what it is. NanceGreggs May 2016 #121

So, what is your point of it being posted over and over? If its not bad, you should be happy right? litlbilly May 2016 #122

Because it's pointless. NanceGreggs May 2016 #135

Pointless, that's subjective. It's only pointless to you, it has a point to us. litlbilly May 2016 #137

Glad to hear it! NanceGreggs May 2016 #138

I am not ok with the speaking fees, JEB May 2016 #140

Were you "not okay" with those speaking fees ... NanceGreggs May 2016 #141

The question I was trying to ask, JEB May 2016 #143

I have NO problem with it at all. NanceGreggs May 2016 #147

I suppose you respect Kissinger as well. JEB May 2016 #149

I judge a potential POTUS ... NanceGreggs May 2016 #154

Even when that friendship requires not just poor judgement, JEB May 2016 #162

Friendship is not always a matter of ... NanceGreggs May 2016 #163

I too have some questionable friends, JEB May 2016 #165

Well, you can support ... NanceGreggs May 2016 #166

I'm in Oregon so for now, I'm with Bernie. JEB May 2016 #167

FFS another rant from you. And these silly posts are changing no ones minds either. You.... Logical May 2016 #41

Minds are closed. Martin Eden May 2016 #43

DU rec...nt SidDithers May 2016 #44

It is the repsonsibility of voters to scrutinize candidates. Tierra_y_Libertad May 2016 #45

Tierra, it seems that both candidates have been scrutinized thoroughly. kstewart33 May 2016 #49

K&R Bobbie Jo May 2016 #46

K & R. nt kstewart33 May 2016 #47

Great post! MoonRiver May 2016 #50

True, and the converse is true. HassleCat May 2016 #51

I agree. NanceGreggs May 2016 #70

Hillary Clinton will still win the Democratic nomination and be elected President. George II May 2016 #52

No but there is a demoralization going on felix_numinous May 2016 #53

+1,000,000!!! Amaril May 2016 #74

And her supporters must also be hell-bent on losing in November. Fawke Em May 2016 #92

I hate GD: P in general Turin_C3PO May 2016 #58

cosign your op obamanut2012 May 2016 #65

What an ironic OP. rhett o rick May 2016 #66

Even if 'no minds are being changed', people here still don't have to swallow shit and polly7 May 2016 #67

Likewise (n/t) Amaril May 2016 #72

Your minds are as unchangeable as concrete, not usually a good thing for a mind. Hillary's positions highprincipleswork May 2016 #79

You've got to start somewhere. Hillary will be the latest in a string of supply-side presidents. immoderate May 2016 #80

I just have one question for you Nance, if no minds are being changed, what happened to you? litlbilly May 2016 #83

HRC supporters are just like super delegates, we are not changing our vote! William769 May 2016 #84

Indeed....good thought. George II May 2016 #85

My mind has changed...because of hillary supporters right here angstlessk May 2016 #87

It works both ways, Nance. Blue_In_AK May 2016 #91

I agree. NanceGreggs May 2016 #102

K&R brer cat May 2016 #96

Great thread Gothmog May 2016 #98

Yes it is pointless Andy823 May 2016 #100

Desperation... MrWendel May 2016 #104

Thanks Nance. sheshe2 May 2016 #105

You wont change anyones mind with this post tymorial May 2016 #106

I'm not trying to change minds. NanceGreggs May 2016 #110

K&R ismnotwasm May 2016 #108

There is more to political life than just this one primary. aikoaiko May 2016 #109

Hear, hear!!! Beacool May 2016 #115

A constructive suggestion for you Jim Lane May 2016 #126

My real point is this ... NanceGreggs May 2016 #131

I understand your point, but there's an important point you're evading. Jim Lane May 2016 #170

You're voting for genitalia. Shocking. nt MadDAsHell May 2016 #129

Jury Results Goblinmonger May 2016 #130

Of course ... NanceGreggs May 2016 #132

I doubt many let their opinion of something change by talking to anonymous people on the WWW. Rex May 2016 #133

Well, exactly. n/t NanceGreggs May 2016 #136

At least we don't ever have to see Ted Cruz's smarmy face again! Rex May 2016 #151

Good... Rockyj May 2016 #134

Wow... MrMickeysMom May 2016 #139

And vice-versa! Nothing a Hillary supporter has ever posted about Bernie made me change my mind. jillan May 2016 #144

Yes, and vice-versa. NanceGreggs May 2016 #148

There is nothing they can post here that will change my mind. hrmjustin May 2016 #152

Sort of like these non-stop posts about "Please stop talking Bernie Supporters" Silver_Witch May 2016 #157

I haven't seen any ... NanceGreggs May 2016 #158

Thanks, I needed this one, felt good. Thinkingabout May 2016 #161

You must have too many people on ignore then. Silver_Witch May 2016 #180

I've never understood why anyone thinks the point of GDP morningfog May 2016 #159

Well, then what IS the purpose? n/t NanceGreggs May 2016 #160

To sit around and talk politiics. morningfog May 2016 #171

That's not talking. Talking assumes discourse. These posts are written to just bash. Very shrill. AgadorSparticus May 2016 #173

Fine, add "to vent" to it. morningfog May 2016 #175

Venting is fine until you have too much of it & then it becomes toxic..Like some people we all know AgadorSparticus May 2016 #176

The calling card from the fringes on both sides of the political spectrum is narcissism. Trust Buster May 2016 #177

You got that right...GOHILLARY!!!! asuhornets May 2016 #178

The same could and should be said about anti-Bernie posts, thucythucy May 2016 #179

Without measurements and statistics, such assertions are worthless. Orsino May 2016 #182

K&R savalez May 2016 #183

They are here to 'bother' us. Nothing more. onehandle May 2016 #189