2016 Postmortem
In reply to the discussion: Hillary fans have convinced themselves that she is a progressive. You really have to willfully [View all]Onlooker
(5,636 posts)and apparently you think moderate Republicans support a $12 minimum wage, want to reduce greenhouse gases by 30%, actively support gay, women's, and civil rights, etc. While I'll grant you the fact that most of Bernie's support comes from white people, that he supported the $1 trillion stealth 1 bomber, voted to protect the anti-immigrant minutemen, supports giving special liability privileges to gun manufacturers, voted for regime change in Iraq in 1999, voted for war appropriations in 2001, did not come out for gay marriage until after the VT legislature approved it, opposed DOMA on states rights (e.g., right win) grounds and NEVER said a word about his opposition at the time, and of course voted the same way as Hillary 93% of the time. I guess that means he's a moderate Republican. We had a great liberal government from 2008 to 2010. The stimulus bill and healthcare reform were two amazing accomplishments (absolutely viewed at the time as terrific liberal achievements), among many smaller ones. But, then in 2010, only 22% of millennials turned out to vote and voted Democrat only by a 55%-44% margin. That's why we lost. Because the millennials didn't care. Now, too many people are so fucking self-righteous about Bernie. He's a good progressive, but he's no saint, and frankly his progressive record is greatly overstated; that's why so many people active in civil rights, women's rights, and gay rights are comfortable with Hillary.