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Corporate666

(587 posts)
64. So when you said
Tue May 10, 2016, 08:15 PM
May 2016

that it worked (free college) for years and years in Europe, what you actually meant was that a few countries in Europe had low cost college?

Not exactly the same thing.

Take a look at the ranking of those free institutions and you will see they score badly. The reason is mostly because they are being run on a budget which denies them access to the latest facilities, materials and tools and of course denies them access to the top educational faculty.

Furthermore, even the countries where it's "free", it's not free.. you still have to pay for room and board, which comes out to around $10k/year.

Now, we have plenty of very low cost state universities in the USA. Florida State Jacksonville is $2,500 per year. New Mexico state is less than $1,800/year. Arkansas State is $2,500/year. These are very affordable schools, and I don't think there are many people who can't afford to go there (the vast majority could easily get loans, grants and scholarships to go).

The problem is that people don't want to go there. They want to go to top schools like Penn State, UCLA, Virginia Tech, Chapel Hill, Georgia tech and the like... and they don't want to have to pay for it.

Life just doesn't work that way. The reason the latter schools are so good is because they are expensive and they can afford top facilities and teaching talent.

People want their cake and to eat it too - that's the problem. And Bernie is right there telling them they CAN have their cake and they CAN eat it too. And people believe it because confirmation bias and because they would like it to be true.

I also remember how California's deficits spiraled out of control. Trust Buster May 2016 #1
Wasn't that due to some insane tax law that passed under Reagan? glowing May 2016 #2
You are correct, Prop 13 nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #40
Do you have a point? rhett o rick May 2016 #5
I think my point was clearly fiscal responsibility. Trust Buster May 2016 #7
And how does that relate to educating our children? rhett o rick May 2016 #9
Those over the age of 17 are not children and should not be treated as such IMO. Trust Buster May 2016 #10
I agree, again what's your point? OK OK let me guess your point. You want to insinuate that rhett o rick May 2016 #13
They're young adults and not children. Teaching them dependency is not doing them any favors. Trust Buster May 2016 #19
Public schools teach dependency??? basselope May 2016 #20
You are purposefully deflecting. We're talking about young adults and college tuition. Trust Buster May 2016 #24
We are talking about PUBLIC SCHOOLS. basselope May 2016 #25
My first thought as well... deathrind May 2016 #52
I have to pay for K-12 schools Go Vols May 2016 #57
Thank you. deathrind May 2016 #61
Do they have "holes in their souls"? Matariki May 2016 #28
It is a message board for Democrats Demsrule86 May 2016 #29
Don't fall for that Right wing trick. Fiscal responsibility is NOT the exclusive domain of Repubs. Trust Buster May 2016 #31
No but "fiscal responsibility" has long been used by conservatives as code for rhett o rick May 2016 #36
This message was self-deleted by its author rhett o rick May 2016 #35
And increased tax revenue from higher paying jobs... scscholar May 2016 #30
Yes, AFTER PROP 13 was passed nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #39
We haven't forgotten. ucrdem May 2016 #3
His idea of making the wealthy pay their fair share isn't new, but certainly unpopular with rhett o rick May 2016 #8
It's not the idea, but his plan, that is patently absurd. CrowCityDem May 2016 #4
Yes the conservatives don't like the idea of taxing the wealthy for helping educate the rhett o rick May 2016 #6
Not that your right wing talking points deserve a response... CrowCityDem May 2016 #14
And she is the only candidate that said Iraq had WMD and harbored al queda. She has rhett o rick May 2016 #15
... and she's the only candidate who's shown some type of correct thinking on wrong votes Sanders? uponit7771 May 2016 #18
Yeap, and making college even partially free for Trumps kids would be pretty shitty uponit7771 May 2016 #17
An FTT is absurd? We had one in the US from 1918-1966. basselope May 2016 #21
It's "absurd" because it's mostly taxing the Richie Riches Art_from_Ark May 2016 #37
This promise is pure fantasy. kstewart33 May 2016 #11
States ALREADY pay that amount. basselope May 2016 #22
Right, which means they would have to double their current education budgets Recursion May 2016 #53
No. basselope May 2016 #55
No, this is additional spending. Seriously, you should actually read the plan Recursion May 2016 #66
No. basselope May 2016 #67
Right, he's asking for new spending roughly equal to current spending Recursion May 2016 #69
No. basselope May 2016 #70
I agree, you should read the plan, because you clearly haven't Recursion May 2016 #71
You should read the plan, because you clearly haven't basselope May 2016 #72
And most of those community colleges are not even in the same league as state universities Corporate666 May 2016 #12
It worked fine for years and works in Europe. Making money off our college students is criminal rhett o rick May 2016 #16
You're wrong Corporate666 May 2016 #49
Many countries offer free college or very inexpensive college, like Brazil, Finland, Germany, rhett o rick May 2016 #54
So when you said Corporate666 May 2016 #64
I recognize you. Blame the victim. Just tell them to get a job and pull themselves up rhett o rick May 2016 #65
What nonsense Art_from_Ark May 2016 #38
You failed to respond to what I wrote Corporate666 May 2016 #50
You realize that UC Berkeley and UCLA did this for literally decades nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #41
I agree, ignorance is at incredible depths Corporate666 May 2016 #56
K&R. nt silvershadow May 2016 #23
K & R AzDar May 2016 #26
Who doesn't want meaningful college help for young people? Demsrule86 May 2016 #27
Sanders has put a specific proposal on the table to expand college access. jonestonesusa May 2016 #34
Most of the great ideas in history have been labeled as absurd at one time. Indpndntfrombirth May 2016 #32
No! An "F" ProgressiveEconomist May 2016 #33
As an economists, a progressive one no less, I am sure nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #42
Did you even read my post ProgressiveEconomist May 2016 #43
Yes I did nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #44
One important difference ProgressiveEconomist May 2016 #45
And in the US we would like to privatize everything nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #46
Which plan will reduce ProgressiveEconomist May 2016 #47
My view is that Sanders will nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #48
I get it--because ProgressiveEconomist May 2016 #62
Well I get it because well HRC is the bestest candidate ever nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #63
The "progressive" "economist" endorses the republican plan. arcane1 May 2016 #51
You mean President Obama's ProgressiveEconomist May 2016 #59
What have we become? deathrind May 2016 #58
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe May 2016 #60
kr Norrin Radd May 2016 #68
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