Welcome to DU!
The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards.
Join the community:
Create a free account
Support DU (and get rid of ads!):
Become a Star Member
Latest Breaking News
General Discussion
The DU Lounge
All Forums
Issue Forums
Culture Forums
Alliance Forums
Region Forums
Support Forums
Help & Search
2016 Postmortem
In reply to the discussion: Within 7 hrs, Jeff Bezos' WaPo Squeezes Out 4 Anti-Sanders Stories From 1 Tax Study [View all]Sparkly
(24,149 posts)23. I'm still looking for a factual refutation of the study.
From your CommonDreams link:
Missing as well (as well as some comment from the campaign - Sparkly) from any of the pieces was any meaningful critical analysis of the studys highly contestable cost projections, as David Himmelstein and Steffie Woolhandlertwo of the nations leading experts on healthcare finance, and co-founders of Physicians for a National Health Programlaid out yesterday in the Huffington Post (5/9/16). Himmelstein and Woolhandler called the Urban Institutes cost estimates ridiculous, saying they ignore the extensive and well-documented experience with single-payer systems in other nationswhich all spend far less per person on healthcare than we do.
Documented experience within different countries, populations, tax structures and needs does not equate laterally with what would happen if we instituted this tomorrow, even if we could. I like the idea of single payer very much, but it's not going to happen overnight. Sorry. It just isn't.
Himmelstein and Woolhandler note that the Urban Institute report assumes there will be 100 million more doctor visits per year, despite the fact that the plan does not involve an increase in the number of doctors. The Urban Institute report supposes that the US single-payer system would pay 50 percent more for prescription drugs than Medicaid currently pays, and ignores or minimizes administrative savings from a unified system that add up to $6 trillion over ten years.
Okay, let's unpack that. One of the criticisms IS that the plan does not assume an increase in the number of doctors, thereby creating shortages of care. Ultimately, I think that should be addressed; right now, Sanders plan does not do that. The study is probably taking into account current prescription drug discounts -- note that Medicaid and Medicare are two different things, by the way -- and the "administrative savings" from moving away from a for-profit industry (which I do support) are offset by the administrative costs of a government-run system for the entire country. A "unified system" doesn't mean those costs go away.
While honest people can disagree on these figures, readers were not clued in that there are legitimate healthcare experts who back up Sanders numbers. Instead, on the basis of one report, the Post painted his plan as at best fantastical and at worst a cynical effort to deceive the public on its true cost.
If honest people can disagree, are there many outside of the "Physicians for a National Health Program" who do? That would be good to see.
Edit history
Please sign in to view edit histories.
30 replies
= new reply since forum marked as read
Highlight:
NoneDon't highlight anything
5 newestHighlight 5 most recent replies
RecommendedHighlight replies with 5 or more recommendations
Within 7 hrs, Jeff Bezos' WaPo Squeezes Out 4 Anti-Sanders Stories From 1 Tax Study [View all]
RiverLover
May 2016
OP
That would explain why the talking points hit all over the place at the same time.
Autumn
May 2016
#15
I contend it's more evil. Only a Democrat will be able to cut Social Security.
Ed Suspicious
May 2016
#28
Fucking Asshole. There's a special circle of hell for these types of dirtbags. nt
CentralCoaster
May 2016
#5
Yes, as you stated, he has donated money to Republican Senator Slade Gorton. Good find. -nt-
chascarrillo
May 2016
#25
And within hours Camp Bansalot oozes out dozens of OPs running with the stories.
hobbit709
May 2016
#21