2016 Postmortem

arendt

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138. The issues are real. Identity politics is the wrong approach.

Reply to forjusticethunders (Reply #128)

Thu May 12, 2016, 10:52 AM

May 2016

Please explain how identity politics makes white progressives feel solidarity with black people.

IP has degenerated into a complete farce. The results of it show up in my wife's psychology office every day. IP is no longer just about race, its about any concern that a person can convince a quorum of a "tribe" to buy into.

Another problems with IP is that there is no real as to when enough has been accomplished. So the outliers can continue to claim victimhood when the majority have moved on. That is how IP generates backlash. Does anyone think that pushing for reparations for slavery in the current political situation is going to do anything but drive more white voters to vote for Trump? I'm just waiting for coal miners to demand reparations for two centuries of brutalization and impoverishment. It is factual arguable, but political poison.

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Mustn't we reevaluate our party since it is is going through a right wing realignment? [View all] Dragonfli May 2016 OP

Hillary and the DNC are not right wing. They are more moderate than you like, that's all. CrowCityDem May 2016 #1

Aiding and abetting the ongoing power grab of Wall St and Corporate Monopolists is not moderate Armstead May 2016 #3

Well Said! Ferd Berfel May 2016 #38

If allowing the people to decide is a CHANGE that reduces profits it may beforbidden by trade policy Baobab May 2016 #44

If TPP is enacted Ferd Berfel May 2016 #90

And bumper-stickers filled with the flavor-of-the-day pejoratives are not arguments. LanternWaste May 2016 #41

Not the flavor of the day Armstead May 2016 #43

And yet funnily enough whatthehey May 2016 #154

The 70's were a mess and the Democrats were trying to figure out what to be Armstead May 2016 #155

So ok Clinton's didn't start it. When should we grab the platform of the *real* Dem party? whatthehey May 2016 #156

There never was a Golden Era....But on balance the Dems had more principles Armstead May 2016 #157

And Clinton and Obama likewise whatthehey May 2016 #158

You're either getting hoodwinked or you're doing the hoodwinking. Broward May 2016 #4

You need to realize what the right wing actually is. CrowCityDem May 2016 #5

The Right wing is pro War ,pro Wall Street, against Single Payer , just like Hillary. bahrbearian May 2016 #8

Bernie voted to remove Saddam, build F-35s, deregulate derivatives. He's a conservative!! CrowCityDem May 2016 #12

Lol and Hillary is a Progressive who like to get things done" Like War, Coups, and Donations bahrbearian May 2016 #16

That kind of stuff is only conservative... TwilightZone May 2016 #17

Remind me of the Vote Bernie made to remove Saddam was It the IRW? bahrbearian May 2016 #21

1999. Authored by Rumsfeld. Made regime change the official US stance. CrowCityDem May 2016 #22

but regime change does not, nor does it always, come through war. Saddam was a Exilednight May 2016 #28

A conservative Democratic Socialist? Twisting political categories to avoid the painful truth about Kip Humphrey May 2016 #26

I'm saying you can't use two positions to determine the whole. CrowCityDem May 2016 #46

Could it be a Democratic supply sider? immoderate May 2016 #9

They are playing their assigned role. Nothing more. arcane1 May 2016 #20

OK , you convinced me. bahrbearian May 2016 #6

And yet you think Bernie and his supporters are fringe Left wing? -none May 2016 #7

Heh. Bernie is just LBJ with a 4-barrel carburetor. Eleanors38 May 2016 #77

I do not support her in the Primary SheenaR May 2016 #10

Comparing us to Europe doesn't work. Different people, differing issues. CrowCityDem May 2016 #11

I disagree with you SheenaR May 2016 #13

Bernie is the center? Who in this country is to his left? CrowCityDem May 2016 #18

I didn't say center SheenaR May 2016 #23

We don't live in vaccuums. CrowCityDem May 2016 #45

This isn't family feud. Just because we have no serious left... arendt May 2016 #53

If there is no, as you put it, serious left, the center is not where you think it is. CrowCityDem May 2016 #58

If left,right, and center mean different things in different places, they are meaningless words. arendt May 2016 #63

I didn't say the center's 'ok', just that it's the center. Center is a measurement, not a philosophy CrowCityDem May 2016 #66

A measurement is not a policy. arendt May 2016 #69

Liberal is immediately to the left of center. Conservative immediately to the right AgingAmerican May 2016 #106

There are 3 centres. The center between the Republicans and the Democrats. And then the two Seeinghope May 2016 #116

We have anti-business leftists who oppose capitalism. senz May 2016 #78

The American center isn't far enough left. forjusticethunders May 2016 #34

Well, can't say you're wrong. Chris Hedges agrees with you. arendt May 2016 #54

I want a left that: forjusticethunders May 2016 #84

First off, read history as to why that has happened nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #86

"The Turner Raids" Sparkly May 2016 #130

1917 nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #145

There is some overlap in our positions, but... arendt May 2016 #126

Tell us how you really feel forjusticethunders May 2016 #128

The issues are real. Identity politics is the wrong approach. arendt May 2016 #138

"no rule as to when", not "no real as to when" n/t arendt May 2016 #139

Minefield ahead...oh well nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #151

When we're past racism and sexism, that might make sense. Sparkly May 2016 #131

IP is not going to get us past racism arendt May 2016 #140

This. All of this. vintx May 2016 #132

From where you stand that is, she looks lefty to you All in it together May 2016 #29

Pro fracking AgingAmerican May 2016 #31

Not to mention... Ferd Berfel May 2016 #39

also not to mention, bvar22 May 2016 #95

translation; Ferd Berfel May 2016 #98

"Corporations are Free at last!" reddread May 2016 #159

+1 Proud Liberal Dem May 2016 #36

They are Right Wing by definition, their goals and their actions, their only "moderation" lies in Dragonfli May 2016 #40

That's fine. It doesn't change that Hillary is to the left of TODAY'S center. CrowCityDem May 2016 #49

I disagree, besides, you are CHANGING DEFINITION AGAIN did you not read the polls that refute even Dragonfli May 2016 #52

Since there is no set philosophy from the "center party", of course I meant the center of our two. CrowCityDem May 2016 #56

More rhetorical bullshit arendt May 2016 #55

Jim Crow used to be 'centrist' policy. Politics changes with time. CrowCityDem May 2016 #59

Who cares. Jim Crow was heinous wherever on your phony L/R/C scale you put it. arendt May 2016 #71

I'm not defending anything. CrowCityDem May 2016 #72

I don't think there are "center" policies. arendt May 2016 #73

So you can't define the center, and yet it can never shift? Yeah, that's a solid argument. CrowCityDem May 2016 #75

It doesn't shift because it doesn't exist/ arendt May 2016 #76

OMG!!!! Not "Goodbye FOREVER". Crushing blow. nt COLGATE4 May 2016 #101

At least you tried. Reality doesn't matter cause they're with her. nt vintx May 2016 #133

They appear to have constructed their own reality, it really is quite fascinating in a detached way Dragonfli May 2016 #143

There is no such thing as 'todays' center AgingAmerican May 2016 #107

Actually what it does not change is that HRC nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #146

Yeah, because that platform... CrowCityDem May 2016 #150

Because of actions like pushing for trade agreements that benefit nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #153

Here is an objective, unbiased analysis from politicalcompass.org tabasco May 2016 #47

That compares us to Europe. I'm talking about American politics. CrowCityDem May 2016 #48

Again, this is the equivalent of "moral relativism" arendt May 2016 #61

Everything is relative. CrowCityDem May 2016 #64

Fine. Then, from where I stand, you are a complete propagandist. arendt May 2016 #70

We actually have an active communist party in the United States nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #85

"And political science paradigms are not dependent on relative things." Thank you for stating that. Dragonfli May 2016 #120

You welcome and RWers used to do this as well nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #144

Right versus left are universal standards, not "U.S. standards" tabasco May 2016 #74

No, that puts our politics in a standard political science structure nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #82

Political science is not that malleable nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #79

What does "Moderate" mean? AgingAmerican May 2016 #105

They're moderate all right - LiberalElite May 2016 #161

This genie is out of the bottle... this party will change forever when Sanders is denied yourpaljoey May 2016 #2

The timid and Republican lite Democrats simply create a bigger monster Republican Party all the time highprincipleswork May 2016 #14

Our party is indergoing a left-wing realignment. Long overdue. n/t Orsino May 2016 #15

??? With Hillary leading the party? BillZBubb May 2016 #30

Despite Clinton's likely win. Orsino May 2016 #33

That's right. Not all at once, but it is already underway. And now that Sanders has silvershadow May 2016 #57

my hope Fairgo May 2016 #81

I disagree. nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #147

It's still happening to our party. Orsino May 2016 #148

There is a nasty sub rosa conflict nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #149

Recommended! H2O Man May 2016 #19

Any compliment from you I consider high praise as your posts have always been so well thought out Dragonfli May 2016 #42

My thanks to both of you, both of you organize your thoughts and write them down mrdmk May 2016 #99

H2O and Dragon... Optimism May 2016 #115

Excellent job you two. n/t JimDandy May 2016 #152

This message was self-deleted by its author potisok May 2016 #51

Liberal and progressive ideals are much, much more important than the Party. [n/t] Maedhros May 2016 #24

Just because Bernie gets support from primarily white voters in conservative areas ... Onlooker May 2016 #25

The Democratic Party started to leave me when I was told it was a big tent that included Rick djean111 May 2016 #27

I came to the conclusion that the democratic party is not my party so I left it. Autumn May 2016 #32

This is the Party's strategy: Maedhros May 2016 #109

Jamie Dimon whipping votes on the Senate floor at Obama's behest was the final straw. Autumn May 2016 #111

I left in 2009 or so, came back for Bernie, will leave ASAP. Maedhros May 2016 #114

Barney Frank, Wall Street banker, in charge of DNC rules committe? amborin May 2016 #35

Laughable and insulting Dem2 May 2016 #37

LOL!! "Right wing realignment" Sparkly May 2016 #50

I think it is going through a "progressive vs. elitist" realignment even more than a "right vs. left Attorney in Texas May 2016 #60

That sounds about right to me! Seeinghope May 2016 #117

Better idea: The losers could start their own party. The majority wins in this Country. Lil Missy May 2016 #62

Right, and I can start my own car company in my garage. arendt May 2016 #67

Take heart. They may take the radical step of redesigning the donut logo and.... Tierra_y_Libertad May 2016 #65

I've decided I will no longer aid and abet the rightward drift of the party by voting for DINOs. Arugula Latte May 2016 #68

++ Vincardog May 2016 #93

Remember the day when it was Democrats that were blocking women from voting? ViseGrip May 2016 #80

and another three general party realignments. nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #87

Not sure many want to question it. oldandhappy May 2016 #83

Seems like you should have done some introspection about the 'revolution' -BEFORE the 'revolution'. randome May 2016 #88

Great post! K&R Sky Masterson May 2016 #89

K&R We need representation, period. felix_numinous May 2016 #91

I have to admit that I stopped registering Democrat after Bill Clinton's first term. bjo59 May 2016 #92

MEGACHURCH MOMS! Warren DeMontague May 2016 #94

Excellent Essay, Dragonfli bvar22 May 2016 #96

I'm sure you were quite pleased with my FDR quote in response to a sock that claims that Hillary Dragonfli May 2016 #110

this sure ain't the party of elana i am May 2016 #113

I ask myself that every time I visit this site now vintx May 2016 #134

Good post we should have had this conversation after the conservative Clinton administration. I am Todays_Illusion May 2016 #97

Well said! Dark n Stormy Knight May 2016 #100

So Long, Centrist Democrats BlueStateLib May 2016 #102

Message auto-removed Name removed May 2016 #103

you had the chance to 're-align' the party bigtree May 2016 #104

I did not, nor have ever wished to realign the party as a Right wing fiscal party that Resembles Dragonfli May 2016 #108

you sure talk some twaddle bigtree May 2016 #122

Pretty long winded answer tio dance your way out of falsely claiming I wanted a party realignment Dragonfli May 2016 #135

So basically you're saying that you reject reality and substitute it with your own? vintx May 2016 #137

Yes we must. Optimism May 2016 #112

Another OUTSTANDING OP Dragonfli! 2banon May 2016 #118

You are most welcome, all I do is simply speak my mind, I have payed attention for decades /nt Dragonfli May 2016 #119

Yes, I believe Bernie supporters are probably the most highly informed of the entire electorate. 2banon May 2016 #127

Call me a "moderate" for saying this if you will, but... moriah May 2016 #121

K&R.. disillusioned73 May 2016 #123

Kicked and recommended! Enthusiast May 2016 #124

THIS is what so many Democrats today don't grok. At ALL. Triana May 2016 #125

So incredibly well thought out, I wish more people saw this dynamic for what it is. vintx May 2016 #129

Thank you so much for this thread. myrna minx May 2016 #136

It is not a "right wing alignment." It is a right (as in correct) alignment. The days of just Jitter65 May 2016 #141

You didn't read the OP, it is coming from politicians and corporate "think tanks" Dragonfli May 2016 #142

Yes, we must. LWolf May 2016 #160