2016 Postmortem

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47. How is that different from an absentee ballot?

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Fri May 13, 2016, 01:56 PM

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Closed primaries make zero sense since they ignore the majority of the electorate. [View all] Csainvestor May 2016 OP

It's certainly a recipe... Buddyblazon May 2016 #1

Caucuses are much worse. kstewart33 May 2016 #2

they acutally aren't because if they are open Csainvestor May 2016 #7

That's not a caucus. immoderate May 2016 #28

WA state is prob the largest caucus Csainvestor May 2016 #43

How is that different from an absentee ballot? immoderate May 2016 #47

what are you talking about? Csainvestor May 2016 #48

I'm so sorry. The beginning of this sub-thread is about the efficacy of caucuses. immoderate May 2016 #59

But your votes don't count scscholar May 2016 #60

Yes, but most of them aren't. kstewart33 May 2016 #42

we have an open primary in November, its called the general election. feel free to vote for anyone msongs May 2016 #3

+1000000 Justice May 2016 #82

Do you fall victim to psychological projection much? truedelphi May 2016 #107

Funny how so very, very few complained before a certain person Dems don't want to vote for ran. CrowCityDem May 2016 #4

We passed an initiative to do it here in California some time back, and we really like it. bemildred May 2016 #15

California open primaries are not so simple as that anigbrowl May 2016 #75

Schwartzenegger was an outsider, like Trump. He knew quite well what he was doing. bemildred May 2016 #79

And he put the redistricting in a citizen commision nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #89

They choose not to participate in the parties. LisaM May 2016 #5

Doesn't the need of the country outweigh the need of the Party? [n/t] Maedhros May 2016 #10

The needs of the country are addressed by the general election. nt hack89 May 2016 #18

don't you get it? Csainvestor May 2016 #50

Too fucking bad. hack89 May 2016 #57

uhh ok. Csainvestor May 2016 #61

It worked for Obama didn't it? And Bill Clinton? nt hack89 May 2016 #63

There are several parties to join that may fit your political philosphy. Join one and vote in their brush May 2016 #133

But that's hard work sharp_stick May 2016 #87

are you dense? Csainvestor May 2016 #20

Yes, that's it. I'm dense! LisaM May 2016 #37

Great Response otohara May 2016 #92

Yeah, just take it easy on that! Dem2 May 2016 #164

Correction ContinentalOp May 2016 #81

I know, huh ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2016 #23

Well, it makes perfect sense from the point-of-view of the oligarchy. Maedhros May 2016 #6

Political options are not restricted to two parties. SharonClark May 2016 #80

or the American Independent Party! WhiteTara May 2016 #90

Start a party leftynyc May 2016 #8

Not as far as Hillary's super pacs casperthegm May 2016 #16

Knock yourself out (n/t) leftynyc May 2016 #45

forget bernie hillary i am making a larger point Csainvestor May 2016 #9

Your notion would kill small political parties and cement the two party system forever. hack89 May 2016 #22

For a real life example ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2016 #27

Exactly. Shadowflash May 2016 #26

R u serious? asuhornets May 2016 #29

This is why Jbradshaw120 May 2016 #104

Ok..Can't argue with that....n/t asuhornets May 2016 #109

Its a party nomination. Republicans and Indies shouldnt choose Dem nominee. JaneyVee May 2016 #11

Hear, hear!!! Beacool May 2016 #95

Right...we need more Republicans in the Democratic Primary. brooklynite May 2016 #12

40% does not constitute a majority. 1StrongBlackMan May 2016 #13

There's that math again. TwilightZone May 2016 #115

Not to mention their lack of democracy. Tierra_y_Libertad May 2016 #14

I don't want a majority of the electorat choosing the candidate representing the Democratic Party. NCTraveler May 2016 #17

if the majority of the electorate doesn't like your nominee Csainvestor May 2016 #25

A majority of the electorate doesn't like any of the people running. NCTraveler May 2016 #31

They make perfect sense Shadowflash May 2016 #19

Then they really wouldn't have been Democratic primaries, would they have? LisaM May 2016 #38

Bullshit mythology May 2016 #62

Thank you! ContinentalOp May 2016 #83

Clinton has won more open primaries than Sanders has TwilightZone May 2016 #126

Is the party growing or shrinking? casperthegm May 2016 #21

It's growing, contrary to popular belief TwilightZone May 2016 #127

Nope casperthegm May 2016 #135

Stop and think about it: Karma13612 May 2016 #150

Primaries are designed for political parties to select nominees. MineralMan May 2016 #24

The system is not designed. It has evolved. As it will ever be. immoderate May 2016 #34

Just stop all that anti-democratic talk ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2016 #40

When they are open the loser complains of the opposition's party members puffy socks May 2016 #30

Winners complain too, don't they? immoderate May 2016 #54

People are not ignored, they choose to not participate Fresh_Start May 2016 #32

The magic word is primaries, the GOP has primaries, the DNC has primaries, the other parties are Thinkingabout May 2016 #33

They only make sense if winning the subsequent general election isn't one of your objectives. lumberjack_jeff May 2016 #35

this isn't hard to understand. Csainvestor May 2016 #36

No, the remaining 40% is not "other." It's more like 12% ContinentalOp May 2016 #85

This message was self-deleted by its author TM99 May 2016 #128

If you reliably vote dem but are somehow scared to admit it on your registration ContinentalOp May 2016 #138

This message was self-deleted by its author TM99 May 2016 #139

I guess I just don't understand what you think you're accomplishing ContinentalOp May 2016 #142

This message was self-deleted by its author TM99 May 2016 #144

No of course not. ContinentalOp May 2016 #146

If you don't like closed primaries then the only acceptable solution is one primary w/all parties. LonePirate May 2016 #39

its not that i don't like it. Csainvestor May 2016 #41

The California method I described above solves your problem. LonePirate May 2016 #49

this is why i say closed primaries are stupid. Csainvestor May 2016 #51

Letting Trump supporters help determine the Democratic candidate... TwilightZone May 2016 #124

Imagine the uproar madamesilverspurs May 2016 #44

this example makes zero sense Csainvestor May 2016 #46

Take a political science course. Read a book. KingFlorez May 2016 #52

yes, thats true. Csainvestor May 2016 #55

Democratic Party members have a right to vote for candidates they reflect the party Tarc May 2016 #53

all true. Csainvestor May 2016 #56

"if non democrats don't like what democrats picked for them, they will pass" Tarc May 2016 #58

Start your own party then...Then u can set the rules...n/t asuhornets May 2016 #64

As a registered Democrat... jamese777 May 2016 #65

I am far more concerned about caucucses etherealtruth May 2016 #66

As a caucus goer... jamese777 May 2016 #70

I would like to see as many people as possible vote .... etherealtruth May 2016 #71

Democrats pick the Democratic candidate for the GE. Others want to participate, start their party. seabeyond May 2016 #67

There are more independents jamese777 May 2016 #68

Democrats get to pick their candidate. Independents can start a party. Not hearing Repugs opening seabeyond May 2016 #69

it seems that voter participation is higher in closed primary states etherealtruth May 2016 #73

If you want to vote in the Democratic Party primary, then register frazzled May 2016 #72

For the sake of argument, let's pretend Il_Coniglietto May 2016 #74

Are you a registered Democrat? Thinkingabout May 2016 #76

They make sense to me. Parties have a right to choose their own candidates. politicaljunkie41910 May 2016 #77

The dem party is a private club open to anyone Ohioblue22 May 2016 #78

Primaries are not elections to determine the nominee of American voters. LiberalFighter May 2016 #84

Democrats are in fact the majority. ContinentalOp May 2016 #86

john kerry looked like a strong democratic nominee right? Csainvestor May 2016 #88

No primary process will guarantee a general electoral win. ContinentalOp May 2016 #121

So, about one-third of independents lean Republican. Personally, I think allowing Republicans... TwilightZone May 2016 #116

Yep, at least a third will never vote for any Democrat. ContinentalOp May 2016 #119

This message was self-deleted by its author TM99 May 2016 #129

Nobody is saying fuck you to anyone ContinentalOp May 2016 #140

This message was self-deleted by its author TM99 May 2016 #141

Are closed primaries a new thing? ContinentalOp May 2016 #145

I think you have to participate in a state party to change its rules. nt BootinUp May 2016 #91

Closed Primaries make 100% sense to pick a PARTY's Candidate dbackjon May 2016 #93

not my problem. Csainvestor May 2016 #96

So the board of Walmart dbackjon May 2016 #147

If a party wants to mean anything to the most people in the jwirr May 2016 #118

Why should Independents have a say on choosing the nominee of a party that they don't belong to? Beacool May 2016 #94

this is the dumbest thing i have ever read. Csainvestor May 2016 #98

I disagree. Beacool May 2016 #100

john kerry. Csainvestor May 2016 #101

Well, maybe and maybe not. Beacool May 2016 #103

and we will never know if primaires remained closed. Csainvestor May 2016 #106

"Why did he lose to Bush?" Because they stole Ohio? TwilightZone May 2016 #113

John Kerry DID win independents in the GE and in the Primary(where they could vote) JI7 May 2016 #143

Kerry got 49% and Bush got 48% of the independent votes. Kerry B Calm May 2016 #152

John Kerry would have won more independents in the GE if the primaries had been open? TwilightZone May 2016 #165

I disagree. Letting Republicans help choose the Democratic nominee is much worse. TwilightZone May 2016 #123

Which corporation do you run? Democracy not your thing? Let them eat cake? snowy owl May 2016 #99

It's not a difficult concept to understand. Beacool May 2016 #102

Two exclusive clubs pick a candidate and then everybody votes. snowy owl May 2016 #97

If every primary were open Hillary would have dropped out after NY! B Calm May 2016 #105

They used to make sense when Democrats were the majority jwirr May 2016 #108

Exactly! Csainvestor May 2016 #111

Registered Democrats are not a minority of our party. ContinentalOp May 2016 #122

Independents aren't a monolithic bloc. TwilightZone May 2016 #125

Democrates are the largest right now because many Bernie jwirr May 2016 #167

If they are unable to participate, that is by their own choice Tarc May 2016 #110

that isn't my point. Csainvestor May 2016 #112

I'll bring up whatever I damn well please, bro Tarc May 2016 #114

About one-third of independents lean Republican. Personally, I think allowing Republicans... TwilightZone May 2016 #117

I think most Democrats actually... Skid Rogue May 2016 #120

Gee, the most simple answer, "actually join the party and change it". What is so difficult for still_one May 2016 #131

Enough said.... Skid Rogue May 2016 #134

If you want to participate in democratic or republican primaries then know beachbumbob May 2016 #130

The purpose of Democratic primaries ... NanceGreggs May 2016 #132

I wonder what union members at a company would think if a non-union member who worked for the same still_one May 2016 #137

If the non union member was paying union dues they should have every right to vote. Tax payers are B Calm May 2016 #149

Tax payers fund EVERY political party! Another simple concept that somehow escapes you. randome May 2016 #151

Wow, so even though independents are paying their fare share of taxes that fund primaries, you B Calm May 2016 #154

Jesus, that is a bogus argument from the get-go! randome May 2016 #155

The only one here with a bogus argument is you. You know if every state primary B Calm May 2016 #156

She's not MY candidate. I don't even particularly like her. But she's clearly our next President. randome May 2016 #157

So you just like to argue for the sake of arguing. B Calm May 2016 #158

Non union members (public sector) in florida are allowed to vote in union meetings for contracts. dubyadiprecession May 2016 #161

they're like Melissa Click: if they bar the door to anyone with the slightest MisterP May 2016 #136

All primaries should be open. The US tax payers fund these primaries and B Calm May 2016 #148

Precisely. If a party wants a private election... Lizzie Poppet May 2016 #166

Stop Whining. Indies need to mobelize and form their own Party--get on the ballots and riversedge May 2016 #153

Incumbents are my big concern MichMan May 2016 #159

a closed primary in a state is used as a barometer... dubyadiprecession May 2016 #160

They make perfect sense oberliner May 2016 #162

Dude. Dem2 May 2016 #163