2016 Postmortem

annavictorious

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181. Is this your argument?

Sat May 14, 2016, 12:21 PM

May 2016

"She had an IT guy; therefore there were no additional layers of security even though cyber security has been within the Secret Service's mandate since 2001."

Sorry, but the facts don't support the conspiracy theory assumptions. These assumptions are driven by "news" (like blog posts) gleaned from right wing sources. Some people who used to consider themselves progressive are sounding more and more unhinged.

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I don't care if what she did was illegal or not. [View all] cliffordu May 2016 OP

What about Albright, Powell and Rice??? All had unsecured email servers. Gomez163 May 2016 #1

Does not matter, Trump should be president, that is what they want. Jackie Wilson Said May 2016 #3

+1000 baldguy May 2016 #8

Ah, bullshit. cliffordu May 2016 #16

Isn't it? Why is everything "But, Tump!!!" anyway? nt silvershadow May 2016 #110

You're kidding right? WhiteTara May 2016 #117

No, I'm asking why that is the HRC camp's oft-heard refrain...That was my silvershadow May 2016 #120

THIS DemocratSinceBirth May 2016 #39

I know...right. Jackie Wilson Said May 2016 #42

THIS DemocratSinceBirth May 2016 #39

So she did something similar to her peers and she should be punished cause her haters? uponit7771 May 2016 #135

-20 Penalty Red Herring Katashi_itto May 2016 #161

Another -10 for Repetition Fallacy Katashi_itto May 2016 #162

Wanting a better candidate and better judgement in the Democratic Party is more like it. Jackilope May 2016 #179

You really should stop. It's gotten embarrassing. cui bono May 2016 #184

Their idiocy does not condone hers. cliffordu May 2016 #11

irrelevant to the point uponit7771 May 2016 #136

Oh no puffy socks May 2016 #13

No a lot of them are merely confirming the reasons why many people... Armstead May 2016 #165

Interesting. puffy socks May 2016 #171

They used their own private servers? I don't think so, do you have a link to that info? braddy May 2016 #17

AOL is just as unsecure Gomez163 May 2016 #19

So they didn't have their own servers, I didn't think so, why did you say they did? braddy May 2016 #30

I said unsecured not private Gomez163 May 2016 #54

They didn't have private servers of any kind, why are you claiming that they did what Hillary did? braddy May 2016 #55

You said they had... tonedevil May 2016 #56

They had commercial email accounts. Gomez163 May 2016 #57

Pure fallacy... tonedevil May 2016 #70

Bunk Gomez163 May 2016 #81

You are cute... tonedevil May 2016 #91

You need to get your timeline straight annavictorious May 2016 #64

I would like to see... tonedevil May 2016 #76

You need to get your timeline straight. frylock May 2016 #85

I do not believe that is correct. Link please? cui bono May 2016 #186

Nonsense. frylock May 2016 #84

Not quite... tonedevil May 2016 #20

No. False. panader0 May 2016 #23

The officials you mention did NOT have private servers. floppyboo May 2016 #25

They seem woefully uninformed on the matter. frylock May 2016 #88

That is called brocksplaining AKA Autumn May 2016 #105

Love the terminology. frylock May 2016 #118

No they didn't. Waiting For Everyman May 2016 #26

Neither had private servers. cali May 2016 #28

Red herring. commercial email just as unsecure Gomez163 May 2016 #46

Of course it's a red herring annavictorious May 2016 #58

Clinton�s campaign says the server was first set up in Clinton�s Chappaqua house frylock May 2016 #93

This message was self-deleted by its author TM99 May 2016 #90

That does not excuse what she did. CompanyFirstSergeant May 2016 #32

She did nothing wrong Gomez163 May 2016 #69

Nothing wrong? Classified emails on an unsecured server? pinebox May 2016 #160

They were more secure than the state dept. servers. Gomez163 May 2016 #182

There was classified information on a personal server pinebox May 2016 #189

Can you link to that, this is news worthy nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #51

They most certainly did not. DisgustipatedinCA May 2016 #63

I wouldn't vote for them either. kpola12 May 2016 #83

That is false... ljm2002 May 2016 #86

They had private email accounts not their own private servers. SwampG8r May 2016 #87

None of them are running for president. What's your point? Exilednight May 2016 #89

No they didn't. Fawke Em May 2016 #100

Do you have a link to Albright, Powell and Rice using unsecured email servers? Autumn May 2016 #104

Google condoleezza rice email and you get a CNN article from February Gomez163 May 2016 #107

There is a big difference between personal unclassified email accounts and servers. Autumn May 2016 #108

Your argument, you provide the link. It's common courtesy. That Guy 888 May 2016 #131

I don't give the other three goobers a pass either./ All of them were asses for this. roguevalley May 2016 #115

"My predecessors were also incompetents" is generally a poor defense... Chan790 May 2016 #122

That statement is absolutely FALSE CoffeeCat May 2016 #124

Facts be damned! They did not. k8conant May 2016 #126

Fmr. Top DOJ Official: Clinton Likely Committed �Biggest Violation of Federal Records Act in History w4rma May 2016 #128

From what I understand they did not use a private server. cui bono May 2016 #183

Since the FBI hasn't even talked to her yet... scscholar May 2016 #2

"Sounds like"?? Really? The FBI are investigating her. rhett o rick May 2016 #53

How do you know they haven't talked to Secretary Clinton? nt riderinthestorm May 2016 #71

You think the FBI talks to the big fish they are investigating first? BillZBubb May 2016 #80

Word! Thank you. n/t CaliforniaPeggy May 2016 #4

The possible reasoning is easy: arcane1 May 2016 #5

could be translated into her FUCK YOU to Obama. grasswire May 2016 #21

Agree, and that part of it has always bothered me, too. Punkingal May 2016 #159

Someone on Thom Hartmann said Obama was very unhappy with her as SoS and that's why she left. cui bono May 2016 #185

Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe May 2016 #6

It was an intentional effort to hide her email from FOIA requests. Attorney in Texas May 2016 #7

You were aware of this from the timeline, right? 2cannan May 2016 #48

rec MerryBlooms May 2016 #74

KnR...n/t Liberal Jesus Freak May 2016 #9

Shooting herself (and the Dem Party) in the foot. She was incompetent, libdem4life May 2016 #10

.+1 840high May 2016 #27

Yes and from broke to fabulously rich. That's a financial miracle...or something... libdem4life May 2016 #36

For every person that does not care there are 2 poeple that do care .... coffeeAM May 2016 #12

Did you read beyond the subject line? demwing May 2016 #116

She was plotting the overthrow of the US government? beaglelover May 2016 #14

And yet Bernie still lost. nt onehandle May 2016 #15

And democracy and progressivism lost with him. liberalnarb May 2016 #22

Not yet--But HRC's lead is due to low information voters. panader0 May 2016 #29

Classic Republican slur on Democrats. onehandle May 2016 #33

So how about telling us why anyone would vote for her? libdem4life May 2016 #38

If even half of the people who voted for her knew about her shenanigans, panader0 May 2016 #47

Exactly. Though it's more than Shenanigans, tom foolery, hijinx, oopsies, trudyco May 2016 #96

Yep. panader0 May 2016 #98

... sheshe2 May 2016 #68

Not Good Enough, sheshe2. cui bono May 2016 #188

+1 uponit7771 May 2016 #137

the possibility of enrichment was greater than the risk of discovery for her. grasswire May 2016 #18

oh please apcalc May 2016 #24

do you have an apology for her, besides her own 'oops'? floppyboo May 2016 #31

Looking at profiles is interesting. ladyVet May 2016 #177

If this doesn't bother you - may 840high May 2016 #35

that was standard practice - powell did it too MariaThinks May 2016 #34

No, you are wrong. He did not have a private server floppyboo May 2016 #37

No, this is what Rice and Powell did 2cannan May 2016 #41

Anything over 2-3 short sentences in a paragraph is beyond the libdem4life May 2016 #44

I hear you. It's just so frustrating. I keep hoping they will educate themselves. 2cannan May 2016 #49

That's the underlying trait of a real Liberal/Progressive. Willing to learn libdem4life May 2016 #52

the irony of your statement goes right over your head MariaThinks May 2016 #62

Perhaps you can enlighten me. Please, proceed. libdem4life May 2016 #65

sure - from - http://mediamatters.org/blog/2016/03/07/state-dept-concludes-past-secretaries-of-state MariaThinks May 2016 #67

That was sweet. sheshe2 May 2016 #73

Yes, to low information voters. cui bono May 2016 #187

That was March. This is May. The Rice/Powell comparison has long since libdem4life May 2016 #79

This says nothing about Powell and Rice running their own personal servers. nt 2cannan May 2016 #103

Media Matters? Fawke Em May 2016 #106

I'm still trying to understand the irony I don't get...you posted a cut and paste. libdem4life May 2016 #95

really? beyond us? I doubt that - HRC supporters are able to balance multiple demands and we have MariaThinks May 2016 #60

Apparently, your leader does, 'cause that's where she's curently, libdem4life May 2016 #72

yes, it's too exhausting isn't it. MariaThinks May 2016 #172

here's what mediamatters and ABC reported. I'm sure you will find your own talking points MariaThinks May 2016 #66

Actually the original source of my post was ABC News. 2cannan May 2016 #101

Another talking point. Asked and answered...many, many times libdem4life May 2016 #43

No Powell didn't. braddy May 2016 #61

Thank you for making me realize is is this punitive attitude (on top of the RW parroting) that has bettyellen May 2016 #45

What exactly did Hillary do to solve the problem in Flint? Human101948 May 2016 #109

Provided cartoon fodder. Not much else. bvf May 2016 #112

That seems to sum it up... Human101948 May 2016 #113

i'll go you one further -- it doesn't even matter if what she did was stupid or not 0rganism May 2016 #50

If nothing else, she removed her communications from oversight and accountability. Maedhros May 2016 #59

^^^THIS^^^ cliffordu May 2016 #143

I'll second that. hellofromreddit May 2016 #178

Agreed. AzDar May 2016 #75

K&R amborin May 2016 #77

Why are you saying that the server was "unsecured"? annavictorious May 2016 #78

No email encryption for at least 2 months... ljm2002 May 2016 #99

Is there any source for this information annavictorious May 2016 #166

"a blog post"... ljm2002 May 2016 #168

Your "news link" called it a blog post annavictorious May 2016 #175

Actually annavictorious May 2016 #167

The Secret Service detail does not stand guard on that server per se. "unsecured" Autumn May 2016 #111

Are you sure about that? annavictorious May 2016 #170

Maybe you should read up on it and quit grasping at straws. Hillary had an IT guy Autumn May 2016 #180

Is this your argument? annavictorious May 2016 #181

Do you have any idea what you're talking about? bvf May 2016 #114

See post 99. cliffordu May 2016 #123

Then you would realize OpenBSD isn't a firewall. kcr May 2016 #132

Sigh. Of course it is. It's a flavor of UNIX. cliffordu May 2016 #134

I'm sure first year computer science students know what operating systems are. kcr May 2016 #139

The fact you didn't know cliffordu May 2016 #140

Uh huh kcr May 2016 #142

Lol. I can still set up an openbsd system as a firewall. cliffordu May 2016 #144

People use Chrome to view porn kcr May 2016 #145

Are you drunk? cliffordu May 2016 #146

Here: kcr May 2016 #147

What? No UNIX? cliffordu May 2016 #148

Nope! It mentions them, too. And BSD. See edit n/t kcr May 2016 #149

No. cliffordu May 2016 #150

Oh kcr May 2016 #151

Because that's the only thing I ever cliffordu May 2016 #154

I suggest you read up pinebox May 2016 #163

At this point, the results of the FBI investigation are immaterial tularetom May 2016 #82

I wish "the court of public opinion" coul have known much earlier about this. panader0 May 2016 #97

The court of public opinion would have known sooner if not for Nuclear Unicorn May 2016 #152

The "court of public opinion" has known for decades annavictorious May 2016 #176

I've thought a lot about why she may have done it... ljm2002 May 2016 #92

State was hacked twice you know Demsrule86 May 2016 #94

It was a display of hubris. The rich and powerful have different rules. Tierra_y_Libertad May 2016 #102

Empire priviledge dwrjr May 2016 #119

Hillary isn't stupid, it appears to be intentional n/t Holly_Hobby May 2016 #121

I don't care either. LeftRant May 2016 #125

Why would she set up a private server in Chapaqua, New York when her office was in DC? k8conant May 2016 #127

Fmr. Top DOJ Official: Clinton Likely Committed �Biggest Violation of Federal Records Act in History w4rma May 2016 #129

Addressing the Federal Records Act, BlueStateLib May 2016 #130

Don't confuse a computer (terminal) hooked up to the secure ClassNet intranet network BlueStateLib May 2016 #133

Link please cliffordu May 2016 #138

I dont give a rats hairy butt MFM008 May 2016 #141

I don't know why people keep implying that she's subject to human laws. Ichingcarpenter May 2016 #153

You stay away from them scales, pilgrim. cliffordu May 2016 #155

I'm staying alive Ichingcarpenter May 2016 #156

This message was self-deleted by its author cliffordu May 2016 #157

The difference between murder and manslaughter is PDittie May 2016 #158

Maybe she should have used the official CIA email servers? JoePhilly May 2016 #164

The SOS would have IT people working on it all treestar May 2016 #169

Partisan fever isn't what matters, especially in a general election nt BootinUp May 2016 #173

Caesar is not amused by your OP. randome May 2016 #174