2016 Postmortem

Beacool

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92. Utter rubbish.

Reply to imagine2015 (Original post)

Sat May 14, 2016, 03:40 PM

May 2016

Hard as it may be for some of you to understand, Hillary is winning because there are millions of people who like and support her. It has nothing to do with whose turn it is, it has to do with votes and she's getting more of those than Sanders.

I find it the height of sexism the accusation that has been thrown at her for years that she's ambitious and craves power, as if the other people who have run to be president did it out of a sense of self-sacrifice for the benefit of the nation. Of course every person who has run for president has been ambitious and wanted power. I guess it was OK for Obama to run when he had only been in the Senate for two years. I guess it's OK for an elderly socialist to decide to run as a Democrat. I guess it's bloody OK for any other male that has run in the past to be president, but it's not OK for Hillary.

Everybody else had only the country's welfare foremost in their minds, only wicked Hillary's motivations are brought into question.

Screw that!!!! Hillary WILL be the nominee. The rest is hogwash.

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Hillary: "fused and fired by fever-ridden ambition and sense of pure entitlement. IT IS HER TURN" [View all] imagine2015 May 2016 OP

Notice the quotes around something that only Clinton-Haters keep saying. randome May 2016 #1

that made me LOL tk2kewl May 2016 #10

Post removed Post removed May 2016 #58

LOL, another idiotic "clinton hater" comment which means "did not want hill as president" Logical May 2016 #64

Since you insist on there being 'sides' to this, why can't you stop talking about Clinton? randome May 2016 #123

Wait, there was a time when the BSers were interested in actual issues? synergie May 2016 #160

So I've heard. Now it's all about Clinton. randome May 2016 #165

These criticisms are grounded in sexism, pure and simple. Big Blue Marble May 2016 #2

+ 1 JoePhilly May 2016 #3

Oh that's a old and worn out talking point. imagine2015 May 2016 #7

If it were Bernie vs. Carly Fiorina, I wonder who would be the preferred candidate? Armstead May 2016 #16

No, sexism is as serious as racism. Big Blue Marble May 2016 #39

Think she'd be a good president? Armstead May 2016 #56

Strange question to ask on a democratic forum. Big Blue Marble May 2016 #67

There's ambition and there's ambition Armstead May 2016 #115

??? Fairgo May 2016 #121

Not every woman is capable.....nor is every man. apcalc May 2016 #79

Its not worth arguing with those folks Baobab May 2016 #49

The gobbledegook is coming from the Sanders supporters. Big Blue Marble May 2016 #70

No, Hillary is lying about her agenda- And about the past agreements she is bound by Baobab May 2016 #73

i would say provide a link to this accusation. Big Blue Marble May 2016 #77

Of course she is ambitious. Big Blue Marble May 2016 #32

Ambitious? His quiet victories as legislator wouldn't have been quiet. You are used to status quo. snowy owl May 2016 #87

Perfectly stated. pangaia May 2016 #135

He is were not ambitious, he would not be running. Big Blue Marble May 2016 #151

I was surprised to read the other day that Iron Lady Margaret Thatcher did not want the Berlin Wall Baobab May 2016 #52

A lot of people feared a re-unified Germany in the heart of Europe for some reason. BillZBubb May 2016 #78

And Germany has become the leader of the EU. Merkel smarter than Thatcher by a country mile. snowy owl May 2016 #88

But how often are men who seek the presidency called out for their ambition? mythology May 2016 #104

Bullshit. Fawke Em May 2016 #8

Oh but it does. Big Blue Marble May 2016 #35

You are wrong, it doesn not. If Elizabeth Warren were running, I would be out door to door for her. litlbilly May 2016 #63

Your potential support of a Warren candidacy only proves that Big Blue Marble May 2016 #71

What a load of horse pucky. BillZBubb May 2016 #80

How foolish are you! N/T Big Blue Marble May 2016 #150

Idiocy - "man" gender neutral in this case. Rex did not mean gender-specific. Distraction. snowy owl May 2016 #89

Indeed. I would vote for Elizabeth Warren in a second. OTOH, Hillary is a bad choice- for many reaso Baobab May 2016 #84

There's ambition and there's ambition...and there is also cause and effect Armstead May 2016 #14

It absolutely does have something to do with it. Big Blue Marble May 2016 #38

of course . . . but not relevant to this article. You've taken it and made it a distraction. snowy owl May 2016 #90

. corkhead May 2016 #26

I'll tell you what's sexist tularetom May 2016 #28

Your comments merely reflect your total lack of awareness of this history of democratic candidates. Big Blue Marble May 2016 #44

..... notadmblnd May 2016 #61

Can you show me where the argument you put forth... NCTraveler May 2016 #72

That "sexism" rejoinder is so tired and so rote. bjo59 May 2016 #31

You think you are tired of it? Try living a lifetime with it. apcalc May 2016 #37

I have pmorlan1 May 2016 #45

Denying it is sexism Big Blue Marble May 2016 #51

don't bother dana_b May 2016 #66

Yes that is it. You don't even recognize it. apcalc May 2016 #81

LOL pmorlan1 May 2016 #82

Maybe it's all you recognize? You are too wrapped up in a buzz word. Lazy. Try to look beyond... snowy owl May 2016 #99

If you've lived "lifetime" of it, then you have been using failed strategies. Look inward. snowy owl May 2016 #103

This message was self-deleted by its author apcalc May 2016 #33

But that's the problem, Bernie is not "ambition-filled" which is why he's been successful. snowy owl May 2016 #86

he's losing uponit7771 May 2016 #157

Please stop making a mockery of feminism. cui bono May 2016 #147

This exactly same complain has been leveled against MANY male candidates. basselope May 2016 #152

Link and quote? tia uponit7771 May 2016 #158

Google is your friend... basselope May 2016 #167

What a whiny article. JoePhilly May 2016 #4

An ambitious woman!!11 mcar May 2016 #5

Bernie is not. Warren is not. Perhaps Merkley is not. HRC supporters used to corruption. snowy owl May 2016 #93

Bernie and Warren are not ambitious? mcar May 2016 #108

Its like they live on another fucking planet uponit7771 May 2016 #159

Ambition was a problem for Richard Nixon. Men certainly face criticism for being overly ambitious Rilgin May 2016 #139

Link and quote? tia uponit7771 May 2016 #161

Here you go, editorial discussing when ambition is too much using men Rilgin May 2016 #162

Then why is Hillary being extrapolated here vs the rest of people who did the same thing? Like uponit7771 May 2016 #163

Not all ambitious people are ambitious to a fault Rilgin May 2016 #164

Unrec - for Must Stop that Woman fever syndrome. nt BootinUp May 2016 #6

Hillary has nothing in common with working class women of all races. imagine2015 May 2016 #13

I suggest you seriously look at her voting record and history. BootinUp May 2016 #23

So you go to her customized website for bio? Whoa! That's brilliant! snowy owl May 2016 #100

She's an accomplished professional woman who has and IS working her ass off to get elected. KittyWampus May 2016 #9

Go Bernie liberal from boston May 2016 #62

Your comment proves the point that- the fact she is a woman has so far notadmblnd May 2016 #68

Former professor/amendment king/quiet victories? Clearly your worship idols. Easier than reading. snowy owl May 2016 #102

The turn argument is not sexist! scscholar May 2016 #128

Rex Murphy radical noodle May 2016 #11

This guy is a climate change denier and shill for Canada's oil industry. sufrommich May 2016 #12

Not so strange "bedfellows". The Clintons and rich Republican donors to Hillary's campaign. imagine2015 May 2016 #18

Do you wonder why a shill for Canada's oil industry would offer sufrommich May 2016 #24

Get real. she is in bed with oil-they made her larkrake May 2016 #65

Ambition is one thing. Ambition so that you will do anything to serve it is another. I don't think highprincipleswork May 2016 #15

....! And, when your husband is a former President Campaiging for you... KoKo May 2016 #19

"Ambition should be made of sterner stuff." NewImproved Deal May 2016 #47

He may not have when he started this campaign, but his ego is getting bigger every day as is his riversedge May 2016 #54

His mandate has gotten bigger. We want him to represent us, even if some of you don't. Tell me, highprincipleswork May 2016 #96

Empty reply which says nothing. Ambition/ego - "stupid" (see john oliver) snowy owl May 2016 #105

So is your reply. bye riversedge May 2016 #106

People get paid for writing this tripe? Starry Messenger May 2016 #17

I take it you're backing a big time loser against Trump. Hillary Clinton. imagine2015 May 2016 #20

The one beating her opponent like a rented mule? Yes, I am. Starry Messenger May 2016 #21

"beating like rented mule" - I don't use such comparisons. I've become kinder than that. Brutality snowy owl May 2016 #112

Beating him with one hand tied behind her back. Starry Messenger May 2016 #113

Much better. Thank you. We Sanders supporters are compassionate. snowy owl May 2016 #120

Uh-huh. Starry Messenger May 2016 #124

I take it that you're a big fan of right wing memes. cali May 2016 #27

You mean like right-wing corporatists funding Hillary? No I'm not. imagine2015 May 2016 #36

I take it that poster is a big fan of hyperbole. grasswire May 2016 #48

This message was self-deleted by its author snowy owl May 2016 #111

Bernie is the loser by 3,000,000 votes. The people have spoken redstateblues May 2016 #34

How many primaries has Bernie won since the 3,000,000 came out and it has not changed? -none May 2016 #85

3,000,000 equals 1% of population. That's a big number - not. snowy owl May 2016 #109

It sounds like you are the one backing a loser. Beacool May 2016 #94

if you've seen better prose in Cosmo, you have little understanding of good writing snowy owl May 2016 #107

This article is an absolute dumpster fire of overly-ornamented prose. Starry Messenger May 2016 #110

Me thinks you doth protest too much. snowy owl May 2016 #114

No it ain't. cherokeeprogressive May 2016 #22

Right wing dog shit. Fuck that. cali May 2016 #25

"Slouching towards (Washington) to cry havoc let slip the dogs of war" Depaysement May 2016 #29

So, for the good of party unity, Clinton should withdraw? The Second Stone May 2016 #30

Does anyone disagree with this comment made by the articles writer? And if so, what? imagine2015 May 2016 #40

And she has treated him with kid gloves...... apcalc May 2016 #83

That's not a response to the comment I posted by the author imagine2015 May 2016 #95

Ditto. Good catch, Imagine. Always a distraction instead of reply. snowy owl May 2016 #117

Is this not inconsistent with his statement way back that Whimsey May 2016 #141

Prince Charles thinks that too. longship May 2016 #41

To me, she's an opportunist. She's had little legislative experience. Same with Obama. snowy owl May 2016 #116

Yup! That's part of it. longship May 2016 #122

So Barack is her lacky also? Whimsey May 2016 #142

don't miss the comments section grasswire May 2016 #42

Lord save us... NewImproved Deal May 2016 #43

California dreamin' Whimsey May 2016 #46

wow, you got in a lot of talking points for a noob. grasswire May 2016 #50

Bernie has been handled with kid gloves. Only the Bern Squad denies it. nt BootinUp May 2016 #55

lol. Yeah, cause the Clinton camp has been holding back TDale313 May 2016 #75

ok. lol. BootinUp May 2016 #76

Disagree Whimsey May 2016 #125

Campaign talking points repeated almost verbatim! imagine2015 May 2016 #57

Really? Whimsey May 2016 #127

what about the transcripts? She is a hypocrite x 1000 dana_b May 2016 #69

Still dreamin' Whimsey May 2016 #129

"Because no one in the state department, Bradley Manning, has ever compromised security" dana_b May 2016 #140

BS Whimsey May 2016 #143

omg - really?! This post is one for the books. YOU and your daughter have rights and knoe EVERYTHING dana_b May 2016 #144

I'm sorry Whimsey May 2016 #145

Brought to you by the Brock PPP initiative! BillZBubb May 2016 #91

Explain this to me Whimsey May 2016 #130

Someday we'll have a progressive/liberal woman running for President. It might be Elizabeth Warren. imagine2015 May 2016 #53

No history Whimsey May 2016 #132

I love how there's supposedly no enthusiasm for the candidate who has received more votes than all Metric System May 2016 #59

It is more pathetic that such posts are allowed on this site. N/T Big Blue Marble May 2016 #74

And who do you think is going to Republican donors for money? Clue. It isn't Sanders imagine2015 May 2016 #97

I actually think they are coming to her. Whimsey May 2016 #133

You deny he's become a rock start of sorts?Where are the 10s/1000s for HRC?Acceptance vs.Enthusiasm snowy owl May 2016 #118

Independents? Whimsey May 2016 #134

Independents, tea-party republicans, and progressive dems. He attracts them all. He's a rock star! snowy owl May 2016 #153

The liberal press? I can't imagine most Sanders supporters believe that. Metric System May 2016 #60

Utter rubbish. Beacool May 2016 #92

This article's sexist as hell. Turin_C3PO May 2016 #131

Well... Whimsey May 2016 #136

Thank you. Beacool May 2016 #138

Rex Murphy... SidDithers May 2016 #98

Hell yes, it is her turn because We the people have spoken making it her turn. Thinkingabout May 2016 #101

Nothing to do with turns/sexism. Sexism all you you got, you go with it. Better candidate=Sanders. snowy owl May 2016 #119

Besides being sexist, it's her turn because she EARNED MORE VOTES than BS did. Lil Missy May 2016 #126

and her time to LOSE AGAINST A LOSER. pansypoo53219 May 2016 #137

HAHA THIS IS THE SADDEST BERNIEBRO TEMPER TANTRUM EVAH!!! JaneyVee May 2016 #146

So many capitals, so little sense. Betty Karlson May 2016 #149

She tends toward sensationalism. Little reason but big emotion. Idolatry and loyalty. snowy owl May 2016 #154

Ditch the GE disaster that feels entitled to happen, already! Betty Karlson May 2016 #148

Clinton will have to support centrist dems and centrist republicans to win 2020. Huge problem for us snowy owl May 2016 #155

With 70% of voters to her left. I'd say there is room for an alternative approach. eom Betty Karlson May 2016 #156

Clinton kicked ass. The winner. seabeyond May 2016 #166