2016 Postmortem

BootinUp

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61. Firstly, we would have never invaded Iraq if she had been President

Sat May 14, 2016, 05:50 PM

May 2016

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Secondly, Hillary believes in using all tools available meaning diplomacy, economic pressure/leverage, alliances, and war only as a last resort. She is backed by many people who believe this. She believes in advancing the cause of human rights around the globe.

We live in a complicated and dangerous world and we need to have a President that understands that. What better than to have a recent Secretary of State taking over in the white house. She is very plugged in on the situation in the middle east, especially regarding Iran and Israel and Syria.

She backed Obama pulling us out of Iraq and winding down in Afghanistan and negotiating with Iran. I am very confident that she is the right person for this job now.

You can look over her foreign policy page for more details on her philosophy.

https://www.hillaryclinton.com/issues/national-security/

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I fear both an HRC and a Trump presidency [View all] jack_krass May 2016 OP

I feel the same way. n/t djean111 May 2016 #1

So do I. 840high May 2016 #15

They both support the part of trade deals that legalizes slavery Baobab May 2016 #17

Agree. Wall Street, the Corporate elite and 1% win either way Ferd Berfel May 2016 #51

We know about Clinton. We don't know about Trump. Really. Smarmie Doofus May 2016 #2

Same here. Both fill me with dread. Arugula Latte May 2016 #3

Neither option causes me fear or enthusiasm. It disheartens me that Democrats would adopt that PNAC Vote2016 May 2016 #4

Yes, the Clinton Machine is loved by the bloodthirsty Neo-Cons.. NewImproved Deal May 2016 #8

Yes we have some dark and dangerous times ahead of us. Prepare accordingly while Purveyor May 2016 #5

Fuck that noise. MH1 May 2016 #6

Which is Worse, War or Wall ? bahrbearian May 2016 #47

The thought of either one of them as POTUS makes me ill. smiley May 2016 #7

I'm glad we have the same avatar FlatBaroque May 2016 #21

"Really bad" vs "not as bad". Tierra_y_Libertad May 2016 #9

They're both horrible scenarios to contemplate. bjo59 May 2016 #10

One candidate had his way there would be summary executions of immigrants in the US loyalsister May 2016 #50

I would fear the candidate that people with that opinion Progressive dog May 2016 #11

I support candidates who consider war as a... jack_krass May 2016 #16

You don't want a President, you want magic Progressive dog May 2016 #18

I think your expectations are too low jack_krass May 2016 #20

I fear what you think of as expectations Progressive dog May 2016 #23

Well, yes, I have heard Bernie equated to magic. Karma13612 May 2016 #27

We have a method for selecting Presidential candidates Progressive dog May 2016 #33

Well, the "angry old man' meme is lazy and inaccurate. Karma13612 May 2016 #35

He's not young, he's a man, and he sure looks angry Progressive dog May 2016 #38

He's fit, slender and Karma13612 May 2016 #43

and old and angry. Progressive dog May 2016 #44

Weird bc it is Hillary who comes across to me as filled w barely concealed Voice for Peace May 2016 #66

Bernie doesn't conceal his anger Progressive dog May 2016 #71

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Saying it doesn't make it so Progressive dog May 2016 #70

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With Bernie, I'm not talking about getting angry when Progressive dog May 2016 #83

BS nt JEB May 2016 #93

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If you're going to talk like that you shouldnt complain when conservatives call HRC an old hag jack_krass May 2016 #105

I don't believe I have complained about that Progressive dog May 2016 #107

Funny how sexism & ageism are perfectly ok if in defense of jack_krass May 2016 #54

Ageism and sexism- you left out the most important Progressive dog May 2016 #108

Last ones I saw were Eisenhower (before my time) and Kennedy. Manifestor_of_Light May 2016 #101

PNAC??? apnu May 2016 #12

"she's not Bush or Cheney or Wolfowitz or Rumsfield level of warmongerin" jack_krass May 2016 #19

You should review the destruction of Libya, bvar22 May 2016 #22

How are Libya and Syria not HRCs doing? How are these not consistent with PNAC leveymg May 2016 #32

I've changed it to PNAC-inspired jack_krass May 2016 #104

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They are the world's two most dangerous people. cpwm17 May 2016 #14

The world is rooting for Hillary over Trump, including London's new Muslim mayor. Metric System May 2016 #39

I wouldn't doubt that, n/t cpwm17 May 2016 #57

What does that mean? What do you have against London's new mayor? Metric System May 2016 #63

Don't read too much into what I wrote there. cpwm17 May 2016 #65

I think if you are fearful of Clinton, then you are simply one to buy the hype. seabeyond May 2016 #24

You must have missed the Bush years. CorkySt.Clair May 2016 #25

We didn't miss the Bush years timmymoff May 2016 #34

Nope, those years taught me to spot a PNAC evildoer in action jack_krass May 2016 #55

Yes, I'm quite sure you believe all of that. CorkySt.Clair May 2016 #56

LOL yes, because she told me in her own words.... jack_krass May 2016 #58

Ah, you're right. This is why Bernie is winning. CorkySt.Clair May 2016 #59

Im under no illusions about his chances, which are practically zero jack_krass May 2016 #60

Same here. The prospects are bleak. CentralMass May 2016 #26

I don't want a revolution being led StayFrosty May 2016 #28

Neither regime is moral. Neither is acceptable. leveymg May 2016 #29

+100 I also fear, and have already lost sleep over this. Karma13612 May 2016 #30

Hillary will carry Obama's vision forward Feathery Scout May 2016 #31

His vision of TPP timmymoff May 2016 #36

Obama hasn't been perfect... Feathery Scout May 2016 #40

the weathervane is always turning timmymoff May 2016 #42

I don't feel that way about her... Feathery Scout May 2016 #46

Mine's made timmymoff May 2016 #52

More stupid made-up b******* supposition Dem2 May 2016 #37

Hillary voted many times to build a border wall: amborin May 2016 #41

because the are both the same right? MFM008 May 2016 #45

No, the whole point is that they're dangerous in different ways jack_krass May 2016 #49

I fear a Bernie Sanders presidency Yavin4 May 2016 #48

I fear a Sanders or Trump presidency, neither has shown the ability to understand Thinkingabout May 2016 #53

Maybe someone with less foreign policy experience jack_krass May 2016 #62

Not in a global world. Thinkingabout May 2016 #64

I'd prefer someone with less blood on their hands. JEB May 2016 #89

Well, then Sanders would not be the candidate to support, research his military action Thinkingabout May 2016 #90

Riiiiight. JEB May 2016 #91

Where is the counts for the military actions Sanders voted? Thinkingabout May 2016 #92

Military actions that were not not wars of choice based on obvious lies. JEB May 2016 #96

Funny how HRC's defenders conveniently treat all wars equally jack_krass May 2016 #95

Firstly, we would have never invaded Iraq if she had been President BootinUp May 2016 #61

I'd prefer to judge her by her action as SOS than meaningless twaddle on her website... jack_krass May 2016 #73

Its not meaningless. It frames how she will make decisions BootinUp May 2016 #74

Very good point, she voted to get the inspections, Sanders voted against the inspections. Thinkingabout May 2016 #94

I get the sense that you no idea who PNAC was, or how Bill responded to them. JoePhilly May 2016 #67

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I know their founder, Robert Kagen ENDORSED Hillary jack_krass May 2016 #72

sure you do bigtree May 2016 #75

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Please name one major leader beside Xi Jinping and Vladimir Putin who prefer Trump over Clinton? DemocratSinceBirth May 2016 #77

Clinton wins there because she's better known. Bernie wins Canada, which is closer jack_krass May 2016 #84

We are moving the goal posts. DemocratSinceBirth May 2016 #86

Another thing: take polls where country B picks who jack_krass May 2016 #87

as much as I do dread Hillary DonCoquixote May 2016 #78

You meant no-fly zone in Syria, not Russia I assume. nt BootinUp May 2016 #81

yes, although DonCoquixote May 2016 #97

They need the port access there in Syria or so I have heard/read. BootinUp May 2016 #99

Just came back from a march in Anacortes, Wa seekthetruth May 2016 #80

I agree with you. Very tough to discern the lesser of the two evils. Dems to Win May 2016 #82

I'm fearful of you tandem5 May 2016 #85

Sometimes when walking my dog through a particular weedy area.. jack_krass May 2016 #88

I I have to, I'll pick corporatism over fascism n/t eridani May 2016 #100

paraphrase from earlier, it really spoke to me... atty May 2016 #102

If my choice is between 'the lesser of two evils', I abstain and the 'greater evil' wins, pampango May 2016 #103

jack_krass—Surprisingly, a Lindsey Graham quote could be useful to describe Trump-vs.-Hillary. CobaltBlue May 2016 #106