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2016 Postmortem
In reply to the discussion: I fear both an HRC and a Trump presidency [View all]BootinUp
(47,138 posts)74. Its not meaningless. It frames how she will make decisions
We joined with other nations to go into Libya as part of a UN Security Council authorized action. From the Libya wiki page:
After the Arab Spring movements overturned the rulers of Tunisia and Egypt, Libya experienced a full-scale revolt beginning on 17 February 2011.[70] By 20 February, the unrest had spread to Tripoli. On 27 February 2011, the National Transitional Council was established to administer the areas of Libya under rebel control. On 10 March 2011, France became the first state to officially recognise the council as the legitimate representative of the Libyan people.[71][72]
Pro-Gaddafi forces were able to respond militarily to rebel pushes in Western Libya and launched a counterattack along the coast toward Benghazi, the de facto centre of the uprising.[73] The town of Zawiya, 48 kilometres (30 mi) from Tripoli, was bombarded by air force planes and army tanks and seized by Jamahiriya troops, "exercising a level of brutality not yet seen in the conflict."[74]
Organizations of the United Nations, including United Nations Secretary General Ban Ki-moon[75] and the United Nations Human Rights Council, condemned the crackdown as violating international law, with the latter body expelling Libya outright in an unprecedented action urged by Libya's own delegation to the UN.[76][77]
On 17 March 2011 the UN Security Council passed Resolution 1973,[78] with a 100 vote and five abstentions including Russia, China, India, Brazil and Germany. The resolution sanctioned the establishment of a no-fly zone and the use of "all means necessary" to protect civilians within Libya.[79] On 19 March, the first act of NATO allies to secure the no-fly zone by destroying Libyan air defences began when French military jets entered Libyan airspace on a reconnaissance mission heralding attacks on enemy targets.[80]
In the weeks that followed, American forces were in the forefront of NATO operations against Libya. More than 8,000 American personnel in warships and aircraft were deployed in the area. At least 3,000 targets were struck in 14,202 strike sorties, 716 of them in Tripoli and 492 in Brega.[81] The American air offensive included flights of B-2 Stealth bombers, each bomber armed with sixteen 2000-pound bombs, flying out of and returning to their base in Missouri on the continental United States.[82] Clearly the support provided by the NATO airforces was pivotal in the ultimate success of the revolution.[83]
By 22 August 2011, rebel fighters had entered Tripoli and occupied Green Square,[84] which they renamed Martyrs' Square in honour of those killed since 17 February 2011. On 20 October 2011 the last heavy fighting of the uprising came to an end in the city of Sirte, where Gaddafi was captured and killed. The defeat of loyalist forces was celebrated on 23 October 2011, three days after the fall of Sirte.
At least 30,000 Libyans died in the civil war.[85]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libya#2011_Civil_War
Regime change was not the goal, and this was not some US unilateral operation. You will not find sympathy from many for Gaddafi.
To say that Sec. Clinton was involved in "Regime change" in Honduras is to twist the human language until it no longer reflects reality as far as I know. I think you should explain why you are saying that.
Hillary recently received top popularity poll numbers from foreign countries as the best choice for President. She is very well regarded globally. Your description of her is ridiculous. I don't care what off hand remarks were made about Gaddafi's death, I already explained that sympathy for his death at the hands of rebels in his country is not to be found easily.
Hillary is known as a very strong supporter of Israel, in addition to her excellent knowledge and qualifications for President, and I can only assume that this is why she will get support from certain people whos views overall are not identical to hers.
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Neither option causes me fear or enthusiasm. It disheartens me that Democrats would adopt that PNAC
Vote2016
May 2016
#4
Yes we have some dark and dangerous times ahead of us. Prepare accordingly while
Purveyor
May 2016
#5
One candidate had his way there would be summary executions of immigrants in the US
loyalsister
May 2016
#50
Weird bc it is Hillary who comes across to me as filled w barely concealed
Voice for Peace
May 2016
#66
If you're going to talk like that you shouldnt complain when conservatives call HRC an old hag
jack_krass
May 2016
#105
The world is rooting for Hillary over Trump, including London's new Muslim mayor.
Metric System
May 2016
#39
I think if you are fearful of Clinton, then you are simply one to buy the hype.
seabeyond
May 2016
#24
I fear a Sanders or Trump presidency, neither has shown the ability to understand
Thinkingabout
May 2016
#53
Well, then Sanders would not be the candidate to support, research his military action
Thinkingabout
May 2016
#90
I'd prefer to judge her by her action as SOS than meaningless twaddle on her website...
jack_krass
May 2016
#73
Very good point, she voted to get the inspections, Sanders voted against the inspections.
Thinkingabout
May 2016
#94
I get the sense that you no idea who PNAC was, or how Bill responded to them.
JoePhilly
May 2016
#67
Please name one major leader beside Xi Jinping and Vladimir Putin who prefer Trump over Clinton?
DemocratSinceBirth
May 2016
#77
Clinton wins there because she's better known. Bernie wins Canada, which is closer
jack_krass
May 2016
#84
If my choice is between 'the lesser of two evils', I abstain and the 'greater evil' wins,
pampango
May 2016
#103
jack_krass—Surprisingly, a Lindsey Graham quote could be useful to describe Trump-vs.-Hillary.
CobaltBlue
May 2016
#106