2016 Postmortem

Hortensis

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185. ALWAYS lying, then blaming the opponent.

Sun May 15, 2016, 05:31 AM

May 2016

Thanks for the post, Seabeyond.

You know, I came to DU to get away from the constant lies of the far-right tea partiers, the constant hypocrisy, the constant hostility, the constant attacks, and especially the constant self deception that somehow they are the only good people (!) and their opponents all bad.

It's been an education learning about their left-wing twins here on DU. Given their take-over of GD-P, I can only assume that Bernie's liberal supporters who haven't been seduced down the dark rabbit hole of radical behavior have been mostly staying far away.

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Regarding the blow up at the democratic convention in Nevada: [View all] cali May 2016 OP

Democrats now act like Republicans. Punkingal May 2016 #1

I'm kinda in shock cali May 2016 #2

Here are some great pics to cheer you up... riversedge May 2016 #35

Thanks for the great views of the Hortensis May 2016 #49

Yes, I was glad I found them. riversedge May 2016 #58

Great pics! puffy socks May 2016 #56

Thanks. So that's what OP is whining about. Hoyt May 2016 #60

or this Tsiyu May 2016 #194

Where are the young people? Henhouse May 2016 #195

The young people I know are 100% for Bernie. SusanCalvin May 2016 #254

Why would seeing a bunch of working class people voting against their best interests Fawke Em May 2016 #84

Word. silvershadow May 2016 #129

Thank you these pictures are hilarious Biaviians May 2016 #105

This is supposed to make me loathe Hillary less how? SusanCalvin May 2016 #121

Amen to that one. nt silvershadow May 2016 #130

Really. SusanCalvin May 2016 #133

The goal? IS that to make the government of by and for he people be elected BY the people? Vincardog May 2016 #249

Of course. SusanCalvin May 2016 #250

All I see... Else You Are Mad May 2016 #231

I enjoyed seeing the delegates. riversedge May 2016 #243

As a Boomer, I say, "GOOD!" nt SusanCalvin May 2016 #252

Great outreach to Bernie supporters! cui bono May 2016 #245

I'm not. vintx May 2016 #43

There will be many others who feel this way. We need to jwirr May 2016 #101

^^This. But not until Bernie leaves the party. nt silvershadow May 2016 #131

Not this cycle, please. nt SusanCalvin May 2016 #135

Oh hell no. And I really don't think he will. nt silvershadow May 2016 #136

Me either, because he is an honorable, consistent person. SusanCalvin May 2016 #139

Speaking of cooking... SusanCalvin May 2016 #140

Not to mention... SusanCalvin May 2016 #147

That's already a given, I think. :/ nt silvershadow May 2016 #141

I agree the planet is cooked. We can't go home. But we can fight until the last. rhett o rick May 2016 #248

Exactly. It's our party. Let's take it back. nt SusanCalvin May 2016 #253

I hope not because we need to learn from the t-baggers. jwirr May 2016 #215

Amen. nt SusanCalvin May 2016 #255

Exactly. jwirr May 2016 #213

Same here. 840high May 2016 #117

This is bullshit. I caucused in Vegas and Hillary supporters outnumbered Sanders' 2.5 to 1. brush May 2016 #110

NV popular vote went to Hillary. People should Hortensis May 2016 #163

Here's my view... Turin_C3PO May 2016 #239

Thanks. It won't change anything here at DU, but at least it sets the still_one May 2016 #228

This needs to re-run Rosa Luxemburg May 2016 #224

Right, elleng May 2016 #4

that is really beginning to hurt, isn't it? grasswire May 2016 #6

Yes, it is. elleng May 2016 #14

If Bernie agreed to lead a new party Merryland May 2016 #106

I'm sorry to say I don't think so. Or at least I'm not currently willing to take the chance. SusanCalvin May 2016 #127

I tend to agree with your assessment. cui bono May 2016 #246

^^. nt silvershadow May 2016 #132

Grasswire, you want to PURGE the party? Hortensis May 2016 #164

We are the lesser evil guys. bunnies May 2016 #38

:sad: elleng May 2016 #39

I've never felt so apathetic about an election. bunnies May 2016 #42

Me too, elleng May 2016 #45

Good point. I'm going to cast mine just for drill. SusanCalvin May 2016 #53

Bingo. TPTB has their candidate and they can't bank on Trump 2banon May 2016 #70

OK! SusanCalvin May 2016 #72

Ok Amaril May 2016 #223

Hillary's new slogan: "Oh, C'mon...I'm not *that bad" or silvershadow May 2016 #134

Still evil. senz May 2016 #176

+ 1 Depaysement May 2016 #88

At this point, LWolf May 2016 #209

I'm for #2 too but elleng May 2016 #234

Paul Weyrich? Mnpaul May 2016 #16

Now? frylock May 2016 #23

Hillary's minions have no shame FreakinDJ May 2016 #102

Like are you really telling us something we didn't already know? nolabels May 2016 #118

I'm a minion? You guys are disappointed, Hortensis May 2016 #165

Typical, and whats a matter, don't your other minion freinds give you good company? nolabels May 2016 #172

Get over the bitterness. Hillary delegates showed up and she won. riversedge May 2016 #3

More like Sanders delegates were shut out and/or unfairly disqualified. Rotten to the core. reformist2 May 2016 #17

You never just lose do you... apcalc May 2016 #55

Nope. If Bernie loses it's cheating. Adrahil May 2016 #64

It's on camera AgingAmerican May 2016 #98

So you're okay with attempting to subvert the result from Feb? Adrahil May 2016 #107

Nobody subverted or attempted to subvert anything. SusanCalvin May 2016 #109

And now they lost at the state level. Adrahil May 2016 #112

If that's the way you feel, that's the way you feel. SusanCalvin May 2016 #116

Except this time it was caught on camera. Fawke Em May 2016 #86

Thank whatever deity you do or don't believe in. nt SusanCalvin May 2016 #126

+1 Henhouse May 2016 #93

You don't know what you're talking about. I caucused in Vegas and Hillary supporters outnumbered . . brush May 2016 #166

You repeatedly remind me of Bush* supporters circa Dec 2000, and not in a good way. nt Electric Monk May 2016 #74

Always. Always. Always. senz May 2016 #177

From what I currently think I know, SusanCalvin May 2016 #138

Corruption is howled with every state Bernie loses, Hortensis May 2016 #170

I guess the states that are conducting investigations senz May 2016 #178

Most were closed, with results reported, Hortensis May 2016 #191

Well, speaking just of the current topic, SusanCalvin May 2016 #203

Surely you're kidding? That silly post revealed Hortensis May 2016 #204

Ignoring a motion and making a decision based on a voice vote that was far from conclusive? SusanCalvin May 2016 #205

The normal GD-P pattern is ignorance of the rules of Hortensis May 2016 #207

Sounds like the same with her voters too uponit7771 May 2016 #154

Wrong. They showed up and were allowed in eridani May 2016 #167

Ever hear the old saying the tone is set at the top? It is true. Skwmom May 2016 #5

yep grasswire May 2016 #9

or a fish rots from the head down... n/t RazBerryBeret May 2016 #12

Yes, it explains Sanders supporters perfectly. KittyWampus May 2016 #15

Did you just say, "I know you are but what am I?" yourpaljoey May 2016 #20

+1 uponit7771 May 2016 #155

Do you live in Ohio? Sejon May 2016 #197

Interesting...10 Weird Cat Behaviors Explained...thanks for the link..n/t Henhouse May 2016 #7

lol TwilightZone May 2016 #103

That was fun, and a nice antidote. Thanks. Hortensis May 2016 #171

The stench of corruption is overpowering. The party will get what it deserves in November. CentralMass May 2016 #8

Corruption my arse apcalc May 2016 #57

Get your fucking eyes checked. Ed Suspicious May 2016 #153

Did you caucus in Nevada? I did. Clinton supporters outnumbered Sanders' 2.5 to 1 brush May 2016 #168

Right. Sanders lost the popular vote. Hortensis May 2016 #182

2.5 to 1? Wowsers. snort May 2016 #211

We won. That's what's important. Leave the sour grapes to the other side. brush May 2016 #218

So you're figuring what happened there is going to stand? snort May 2016 #219

I live in Vegas. It's done. brush May 2016 #220

I didn't know you lived there. snort May 2016 #221

When did they turn on Nina? Please provide evidence. vintx May 2016 #232

An earlier report says they booed when she tried to calm down the protestors brush May 2016 #235

A report? From where? nt vintx May 2016 #236

we can look forward to more shenanigans come November RazBerryBeret May 2016 #10

Thank you for the summary. nt SusanCalvin May 2016 #30

Thanks for the summary, RazBerryBeret. Uncle Joe May 2016 #40

Thank you. vintx May 2016 #46

The Sanders supporters did this to themselves scscholar May 2016 #54

No. You don't assess the result by voice vote if the result is not obvious. nt SusanCalvin May 2016 #68

Have you ever been a delegate to a convention? George II May 2016 #247

thanks very much for explaining. n/t Merryland May 2016 #128

Thanks! snort May 2016 #216

Thank you for the explanation of the chicanery... nenagh May 2016 #237

There cheering from the bullshit in the last NV convention. Lying about not having to show. Now, seabeyond May 2016 #11

Prove it. RichVRichV May 2016 #114

They lied. seabeyond May 2016 #124

ALWAYS lying, then blaming the opponent. Hortensis May 2016 #185

And yet it has already been disproven. RichVRichV May 2016 #200

Rich... Buddyblazon May 2016 #222

Keep buying your biased bubble. RichVRichV May 2016 #198

Harken back to April 3 & 4... SidDithers May 2016 #13

They were there - they weren't counted. reformist2 May 2016 #19

Clearly the Sanders people won that voice vote CoffeeCat May 2016 #50

Did the non-residents Demsrule86 May 2016 #241

+1 JoePhilly May 2016 #229

From these ashes of disgust and deceit aspirant May 2016 #18

Hope so. If the planet ain't already cooked. nt SusanCalvin May 2016 #143

They are going to destroy the Democratic Party Trajan May 2016 #21

You know what they'll say to that? casperthegm May 2016 #94

Yes. SusanCalvin May 2016 #111

If Bernie ran in a three way race .... Trajan May 2016 #149

I think maybe. But I'm not currently willing to take the chance. nt SusanCalvin May 2016 #158

The only chance to save your vote Trajan May 2016 #159

What I don't understand is why you think Sanders and Hortensis May 2016 #186

Sanders supporters gamed the county conventions annavictorious May 2016 #22

"Showing up to vote" is "gaming the vote" according to Stalinist Clintonites. w4rma May 2016 #24

They thought they would be allowed to vote according to the rules. They were denied that right. reformist2 May 2016 #25

Which rule was violated? annavictorious May 2016 #37

The ones the Podium Bird setup which = If Sanders doesn't win then the rules were broken uponit7771 May 2016 #157

Are you out of your mind? Ed Suspicious May 2016 #27

Gamed? That's not the way I heard it. nt SusanCalvin May 2016 #31

Link? I didn't hear about that and I'd like a link please. haikugal May 2016 #33

The Sanders supports never gamed the county! CoffeeCat May 2016 #51

Maybe it was all the sniper fire they took? timmymoff May 2016 #59

Probably! ...Nimrods! (Nt) CoffeeCat May 2016 #62

Off topic but i really enjoyed you covering of the iowa caucuses timmymoff May 2016 #66

The need to "cut it out". JEB May 2016 #97

+ 1 JoePhilly May 2016 #210

Well, it was a good run, folks. frylock May 2016 #26

I hope not. SusanCalvin May 2016 #113

(sigh) with crap like this I'm almost sure we've be hearing President Trump in Nov PFunk1 May 2016 #28

We're supposed to ignore obvious irregularities in the name of party unity? SusanCalvin May 2016 #119

This isn't the party..... Amaril May 2016 #225

+1 to everything you just said. vintx May 2016 #233

Same here Amaril May 2016 #238

The 1% Have Purchased Democracy - This Is The Result cantbeserious May 2016 #29

+1 vintx May 2016 #47

That's about the size of it. nt SusanCalvin May 2016 #120

And they have the nerve to call this bullshit democracy! Corrupt to the core. A criminal cabal. haikugal May 2016 #32

It's ugly. kiva May 2016 #34

Teh stupid, that's what really annoys me. SusanCalvin May 2016 #122

But caucases are harder to cheat! joshcryer May 2016 #36

One of my FB friends is there & has been reporting BS tactics all day long WolverineDG May 2016 #41

Thanks for the report. SusanCalvin May 2016 #48

Exactly WolverineDG May 2016 #52

I doesn't add up... does it. yourpaljoey May 2016 #63

They shut out just enough Bernie delegates to let Hillary win. Rotten to the core. reformist2 May 2016 #67

what a surprise WolverineDG May 2016 #69

I'm currently inclined (if Hillary is the nominee) SusanCalvin May 2016 #76

Me too WolverineDG May 2016 #77

Oh, down ballot, absolutely! SusanCalvin May 2016 #81

A fair number of alledged Sanders supporters on DU have already been declaring months ago that if still_one May 2016 #142

Mkay. So...? nt SusanCalvin May 2016 #144

I don't think there is anything anyone can say or do to change anyone's opinion who is so inclined still_one May 2016 #146

Oh, I think there are cases where opinions can be changed. SusanCalvin May 2016 #148

Thanks. The video made me smile still_one May 2016 #160

My mind is a Magic 8-Ball of music.... ;-> SusanCalvin May 2016 #199

WHY did they refuse to seat 200 "delegates"? Hortensis May 2016 #188

Because Hillary would have lost delegates. WolverineDG May 2016 #201

I'm sorry, I guess I meant using what rule? Hortensis May 2016 #202

apparently, their voter registrations mysteriously changed to Republican WolverineDG May 2016 #206

I did read that one person in another state had that Hortensis May 2016 #208

Cali - link not working. When I click on it, it takes me to YouTube home page. jillan May 2016 #44

here you go Agony May 2016 #80

When the system is so corrupt that people stop believing in it... Lizzie Poppet May 2016 #61

I believe they underestimate the power of the Sanders wave yourpaljoey May 2016 #65

We have to stay the course. Lizzie Poppet May 2016 #71

Agreed. Time to cross the Rubicon, cast the die, hang together. yourpaljoey May 2016 #73

Mario was right. lumberjack_jeff May 2016 #82

Yep. SusanCalvin May 2016 #125

The fish rotting from the head down, right before our eyes. They cheat so often it's SOP for them. GoneFishin May 2016 #75

Bernsters cheat so often it's SOP for them. Hortensis May 2016 #189

Quack quack quack snort May 2016 #217

... Agony May 2016 #78

^THIS^ SusanCalvin May 2016 #83

Oh, they can always trot Dolores Huerta back out WolverineDG May 2016 #87

Can a HRC supporter offer a justification for this? casperthegm May 2016 #95

Thank you. nt SusanCalvin May 2016 #150

Oh they love it. Cheat a little, get the others upset -- it's "fun" senz May 2016 #181

They're going to have a problem squelching Nina Turner's voice. Waiting For Everyman May 2016 #174

And why was Barbara Boxer invited to speak? She is not only a longstanding Clinton Machine hack... NewImproved Deal May 2016 #79

Yep. nt SusanCalvin May 2016 #85

They've been divorced for 15 years. TwilightZone May 2016 #104

Mkay. Boxer is SusanCalvin May 2016 #108

we need to prune away the dead wood. pansypoo53219 May 2016 #89

Yeah, that's how you run a party! Babel_17 May 2016 #90

I'm old enough to remember when America was a democracy. Binkie The Clown May 2016 #91

We were only ever sorta a democracy. SusanCalvin May 2016 #151

. Dragonfli May 2016 #92

The Clinton Machine is the new Tammany... NewImproved Deal May 2016 #179

realpolitik. Kissingeresque. Rovian. JEB May 2016 #96

Stole it in broad daylight. More fictional democracy in the Democratic establishment. pa28 May 2016 #99

disgusting, blatant and truly repressive dana_b May 2016 #100

And now it's coming out that they prevented over 60 Sanders delegates from voting today. reformist2 May 2016 #123

Pyrrhic Victory pmorlan1 May 2016 #137

Yep. I think they may have just lost the election. senz May 2016 #184

Not yet it hasn't. This'll be found to be false Hortensis May 2016 #187

Maybe if people were lancer78 May 2016 #115

I'm not passionate about opposing her. SusanCalvin May 2016 #156

Bonnie and Clyde's Great Coast to Coast Delegate Robbery is silvershadow May 2016 #145

Is there no remedy for what happened in NV today? grasswire May 2016 #152

Shameful HughLefty1 May 2016 #161

Hillary won 52% of the Nevada vote, thus secures more pledged delegates Tarc May 2016 #162

The boos were not deserved. They did not have 2/3rds of the vote. joshcryer May 2016 #169

"It was by the book plain and simple." Hortensis May 2016 #190

The only thing missing bvf May 2016 #173

He's busy picking her cabinet and VP. Waiting For Everyman May 2016 #175

They need us more than we need them. senz May 2016 #180

At least they got to make this request in English only, right? Amimnoch May 2016 #183

Already many, many comments on the Nevada Democratic Party Facebook page excoriating bjo59 May 2016 #192

k n r cui bono May 2016 #193

The Democratic Party is corrupt PowerToThePeople May 2016 #196

Sanders Demsrule86 May 2016 #242

PowerToThePeople—Absolutely. And this exposure was overdue. CobaltBlue May 2016 #257

I've LWolf May 2016 #212

Plz..Sanders loss the first time..Now he loss by an even greater margin..His supporters asuhornets May 2016 #214

In days gone by, the tar and feathers would be in play by now. Jester Messiah May 2016 #226

I'm getting a "Chicago 68" vibe ... Straw Man May 2016 #227

...interesting in kind of a slow-down-to-look-at-the-pileup sort of way. Buns_of_Fire May 2016 #240

You know in 68 we were engaged in a war Demsrule86 May 2016 #244

And now we're not? Straw Man May 2016 #256

"Its her turn", "shes next" have been the operating jack_krass May 2016 #230

Wait, did I hear correctly? RandySF May 2016 #251