2016 Postmortem

Prism

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85. I don't think you know how to read these graphs

Mon May 16, 2016, 05:04 AM

May 2016

You're looking at the U3 vs the U4. But the actual measurement of unemployment and underemployment is the U3 vs the U6.

Or, rather, I think you do know how to read this, and you're seeking out the best interpretation that accommodates your prejudicial judgement of the situation.

The U6 has been pretty variable. Right now, it's the best it's been since 2008, however, it was as low as 7.1% in 2000.

So, again, you tossed out that thought. "How are people worse now than 25 years ago?"

It's just so exhausting. Statistics aren't, "I have an idea of how things are, now let me cherry pick some stats to reflect that." That's not how science or truth work.

I'm all ears on how you've yet to be not wrong in this thread. You just haven't managed it so far.

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True or False? The top 1% is at war with at least the bottom 80% of society economically [View all] AZ Progressive May 2016 OP

Totally true! LongTomH May 2016 #1

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and each other to some degree reddread May 2016 #3

So absurdly simplistic that it can't be called true or false Recursion May 2016 #4

Warren Buffett says it's absolutely true, and that his side is winning. Schema Thing May 2016 #6

Name a metric by which the bottom 80% are worse off today than 25 years ago Recursion May 2016 #7

. reddread May 2016 #12

That chart tells me nothing Recursion May 2016 #13

Dude, just admit when you're wrong Prism May 2016 #70

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Oh for fuck's sake. Prism May 2016 #72

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I don't think you know how to read these graphs Prism May 2016 #85

I don't think you know what "discouraged worker" means Recursion May 2016 #86

A technicality and part of the problem Prism May 2016 #91

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True. Only the charts you post and/or agree with are both informative and authoritative. merrily May 2016 #82

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.. reddread May 2016 #15

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you are dreaming. reddread May 2016 #22

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Im not going to waste three sentences arguing with you about homelessness reddread May 2016 #25

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... reddread May 2016 #16

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The poor and lower middle class are not doing "particularly well". Schema Thing May 2016 #37

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have you moved back to America? reddread May 2016 #46

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dont. reddread May 2016 #48

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get there then reddread May 2016 #53

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What has? The past 25 years? Recursion May 2016 #42

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False Fresh_Start May 2016 #11

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Pretty much everything you just said is false. Corporate666 May 2016 #19

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Talking points, talking points AZ Progressive May 2016 #35

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