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Octafish

(55,745 posts)
48. That is a great question.
Thu May 19, 2016, 10:38 AM
May 2016

I imagine it has to do with how the votes are counted.

For instance, the totals often leave out the votes in caucuses. Other times, voters get left off entirely, like in Brooklyn.

Perhaps one day, maybe after a presidential election is overturned by the rule of the Supreme Court say, we'll repair our voting system so it's transparent and fair and accountable.

Remember the guy who created a combination of the two? Athan Gibbs found a way to tabulate votes electronically and then generate a paper ballot for the voter and the precinct records. He died when a semi-truck smashed his car against a guard rail.



Death of a patriot: No more

By Bob Fitrakis
March 17, 2004

The subject line on yesterday’s email read: “Another mysterious accident solves a Bush problem. Athan Gibbs dead, Diebold lives.” The attached news story briefly described the untimely Friday, March 12th death of perhaps America’s most influential advocate of a verified voting paper trail in the era of touch screen computer voting. Gibbs, an accountant for more than 30 years and the inventor of the TruVote system, died when his vehicle collided with an 18-wheeled truck which rolled his Chevy Blazer several times and forced it over the highway retaining wall where it came to rest on its roof.

Coincidence theorists will simply dismiss the death of Gibbs as a tragic accident – the same conclusion these coincidence theorists came to when anti-nuclear activist Karen Silkwood died in November 1974 when her car struck a concrete embankment en route to a meeting with New York Times reporter David Burnham. Prominent independent investigators concluded that Silkwood’s car was hit from behind and forced off the road. Silkwood was reportedly carrying documents that would expose illegal activities at the Kerr-McGee nuclear fuel plant. The FBI report found that she fell asleep at the wheel after overdosing on Quaaludes and that there never were any such files. A journalist secretly employed by the FBI, and a veteran of the Bureau’s COINTELPRO operation against political activists, provided testimony for the FBI report.

Gibbs’ death bears heightened scrutiny because of the way he lived his life after the 2000 Florida election debacle. I interviewed Athan Gibbs in January of this year. “I’ve been an accountant, an auditor, for more than thirty years. Electronic voting machines that don’t supply a paper trail go against every principle of accounting and auditing that’s being taught in American business schools,” he insisted.

SNIP...

Gibbs’ TruVote machine is a marvel. After voters touch the screen, a paper ballot prints out under plexiglass and once the voter compares it to his actual vote and approves it, the ballot drops into a lockbox and is issued a numbered receipt. The voter’s receipt allows the track his particular vote to make sure that it was transferred from the polling place to the election tabulation center.

My encounter with Gibbs led to a cover story in the Columbus Free Press March-April issue, entitled, “Diebold, electronic voting and the vast right-wing conspiracy.” The thesis I advanced in the Free Press article is that some of the same right-wing individuals who backed the CIA’s covert actions and overthrowing of democratic elections in the Third World in the 1980s are now involved in privatized touch screen voting. Additionally I co-wrote an article with Harvey Wasserman that was posted at MotherJones.com on March 5, 2004. Both articles outlined ties between far right elements of the Republican Party and Diebold and ES&S, which count the majority of the nation’s electronic votes.

CONTINUED...

http://www.freepress.org/columns/display/3/2004/853



If you have a resource that tabs caucus votes, please let me know. I'll help you add it up and see what the results are.

Thanks for standing up for Democracy. Let me know what you find.

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If that's the standard, DC is the only primary that should matter! Lol. CrowCityDem May 2016 #1
No. Seth Abramson makes clear the math. Octafish May 2016 #3
Bernie would be crushed once the Rs looped video of Bernie promising to raise taxes on the middle class redstateblues May 2016 #9
"Battle not with monsters, lest ye become one." DemocratSinceBirth May 2016 #24
That doesn't sound very Democratic to me. Octafish May 2016 #28
I am glad you agree that a man who wants to disregard DemocratSinceBirth May 2016 #29
What if he lived 10,000 lives? and he suffered dandruff with rocks as big as cufflinks? Octafish May 2016 #39
Is your reliance on photos a camouflage for the paucity of thought that goes into your arguments? DemocratSinceBirth May 2016 #44
Where did I say otherwise? Octafish May 2016 #56
Someone lost their alerting privileges for 24 hours: Nye Bevan May 2016 #34
My fans are legion, Nye. DemocratSinceBirth May 2016 #37
divisive racial politics is all you've got to prop up a losing candidate amborin May 2016 #38
speaking of lying... DURHAM D May 2016 #2
We have your word on that. LOL. Octafish May 2016 #5
So those are the only pledged delegates that now matter? sharp_stick May 2016 #10
In a Democracy, the candidate with the most votes wins, yes? Algernon Moncrieff May 2016 #4
Wouldn't that be the opposite of Democracy? Octafish May 2016 #6
This has become the contradiction of the argument Sanders supporters are making. Algernon Moncrieff May 2016 #33
LOL! You are implictly admitting that Clinton has been relying on a backroom deal amborin May 2016 #41
Clinton leads sanders in pledged delegates, super delegates, and votes. Algernon Moncrieff May 2016 #45
LOL! the supers are paid lobbyists amborin May 2016 #66
Ya Right, President Bush? bahrbearian May 2016 #16
It was a reference to the "side with Democracy" line in the article Algernon Moncrieff May 2016 #31
In that case, could it be Kerry? Ghost Dog May 2016 #35
Oh lord, SA's math sucks. Since Mar 2, Hillary is +81 in delegates Godhumor May 2016 #7
Thanks to New York. Octafish May 2016 #14
In states instead of delegates? Weird standard. But, done NY Godhumor May 2016 #21
+1, and the polling is highly misleading. joshcryer May 2016 #15
BullSh*t onenote May 2016 #8
Exactly n/t bloom May 2016 #11
Good points. Disagree about the lying. Octafish May 2016 #17
Abramson cites exactly nothing for the claim that the DNC assured anyone that Superdelegates onenote May 2016 #30
Many, if not most, Supers were paid handomsomely to select that belief amborin May 2016 #43
If you have evidence of that, I suggest you present it. onenote May 2016 #50
Lobbyist Superdelegates Tip Nomination Toward Hillary Clinton Octafish May 2016 #68
Hillary Clinton made that exact argument to the supers in 2008. joshcryer May 2016 #12
Irony is a good word. Octafish May 2016 #18
She was wrong about Obama's electablity, though. joshcryer May 2016 #19
She was wrong about a lot. Octafish May 2016 #26
Siding with Democracy means supporting Hillary, who the voters choice. YouDig May 2016 #13
I'll go with that. So how about letting all the voters decide? Octafish May 2016 #22
Sounds good. And after that I hope and expect that the superdelegates will side with whoever YouDig May 2016 #23
Sounds like a deal. Octafish May 2016 #27
Overturning the will of the voters? Demsrule86 May 2016 #42
Not in the Virgin Islands. Octafish May 2016 #46
The supers vote with the delegate winner Demsrule86 May 2016 #62
I must have missed it when the Sanders campaign told Erin Bilbray onenote May 2016 #51
Interesting observation. What is the point of having Superdelegates if not to use them, though? Octafish May 2016 #58
Obmama faced the same thing Demsrule86 May 2016 #64
Lol. Ok. JTFrog May 2016 #20
Now THAT is funny. Octafish May 2016 #25
K&R amborin May 2016 #32
I don't know why discussing politics with my friends gets them so angry. Octafish May 2016 #47
It keeps getting repeated that Clinton is wildly unpopular. How does she lead in votes? Explain pls. brush May 2016 #36
That is a great question. Octafish May 2016 #48
Totaling up the votes cast in caucus states requires some work but is possible. onenote May 2016 #52
Thank you! Octafish May 2016 #59
What? No credit to the base of the party that voted for her over and over? brush May 2016 #54
''Rigged'' is a word you brought to the discussion. Octafish May 2016 #61
The article referenced in you post says the Dem party "changed the rules". That's the same as . . . brush May 2016 #63
not true Demsrule86 May 2016 #40
So Superdelegate System IS an undemocratic process. Octafish May 2016 #49
Kickin' & a Recken' 2banon May 2016 #53
The lobbyists will vote for Her FlatBaroque May 2016 #55
Should call the New Democratic Party aka DLC party. MaeScott May 2016 #57
all delegates are equal Exilednight May 2016 #60
I wish there was a policy this election: no articles from Goodman and Abramson. Beacool May 2016 #65
Thanks! Octafish May 2016 #69
Debbie WantsToRigIt Schultz ('08 Version): AzDar May 2016 #67
Wow! Octafish May 2016 #71
The strongest candidate is the one who actually wins. boston bean May 2016 #70
So take money out of the process and make it fair. Octafish May 2016 #72
Yes, I do. thanks for asking. boston bean May 2016 #73
The DNC would rather have President Trump than President Sanders BernieforPres2016 May 2016 #74
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