2016 Postmortem

brush

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54. What? No credit to the base of the party that voted for her over and over?

Thu May 19, 2016, 11:27 AM

May 2016

Everything was rigged?

Ok, go with that, but I think the Obama coalition, who elected Obama twice, has supported Clinton in this primary season.

Deny that all you want and keep on with the rigged meme if it makes you feel better, but she has more votes and delegates.

And the so-called "bribing" of super delegates, it might have something to do with having years of forming relationships in the party nationally, raising money for down-ticket candidates for years, many of whom are the very super delegates she allegedly "bribed", and forming relationships with major base constituencies like African Americans and Latino Americans.

It just might have something to do with those things. Things that Sanders, a party member for, is it even a year yet, hasn't done, so why fault Hillary for knowing how party politics work?

Bernie choose to stay out of the party for years, that is until he needed it for national brand recognition and to be included in the TV debates.

There's a term for that.

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Regarding Superdelegates -- Sanders Supporters Have Been Lied To [View all] Octafish May 2016 OP

If that's the standard, DC is the only primary that should matter! Lol. CrowCityDem May 2016 #1

No. Seth Abramson makes clear the math. Octafish May 2016 #3

Bernie would be crushed once the Rs looped video of Bernie promising to raise taxes on the middle class redstateblues May 2016 #9

"Battle not with monsters, lest ye become one." DemocratSinceBirth May 2016 #24

That doesn't sound very Democratic to me. Octafish May 2016 #28

I am glad you agree that a man who wants to disregard DemocratSinceBirth May 2016 #29

What if he lived 10,000 lives? and he suffered dandruff with rocks as big as cufflinks? Octafish May 2016 #39

Is your reliance on photos a camouflage for the paucity of thought that goes into your arguments? DemocratSinceBirth May 2016 #44

Where did I say otherwise? Octafish May 2016 #56

Someone lost their alerting privileges for 24 hours: Nye Bevan May 2016 #34

My fans are legion, Nye. DemocratSinceBirth May 2016 #37

divisive racial politics is all you've got to prop up a losing candidate amborin May 2016 #38

speaking of lying... DURHAM D May 2016 #2

We have your word on that. LOL. Octafish May 2016 #5

So those are the only pledged delegates that now matter? sharp_stick May 2016 #10

In a Democracy, the candidate with the most votes wins, yes? Algernon Moncrieff May 2016 #4

Wouldn't that be the opposite of Democracy? Octafish May 2016 #6

This has become the contradiction of the argument Sanders supporters are making. Algernon Moncrieff May 2016 #33

LOL! You are implictly admitting that Clinton has been relying on a backroom deal amborin May 2016 #41

Clinton leads sanders in pledged delegates, super delegates, and votes. Algernon Moncrieff May 2016 #45

LOL! the supers are paid lobbyists amborin May 2016 #66

Ya Right, President Bush? bahrbearian May 2016 #16

It was a reference to the "side with Democracy" line in the article Algernon Moncrieff May 2016 #31

In that case, could it be Kerry? Ghost Dog May 2016 #35

Oh lord, SA's math sucks. Since Mar 2, Hillary is +81 in delegates Godhumor May 2016 #7

Thanks to New York. Octafish May 2016 #14

In states instead of delegates? Weird standard. But, done NY Godhumor May 2016 #21

+1, and the polling is highly misleading. joshcryer May 2016 #15

BullSh*t onenote May 2016 #8

Exactly n/t bloom May 2016 #11

Good points. Disagree about the lying. Octafish May 2016 #17

Abramson cites exactly nothing for the claim that the DNC assured anyone that Superdelegates onenote May 2016 #30

Many, if not most, Supers were paid handomsomely to select that belief amborin May 2016 #43

If you have evidence of that, I suggest you present it. onenote May 2016 #50

Lobbyist Superdelegates Tip Nomination Toward Hillary Clinton Octafish May 2016 #68

Hillary Clinton made that exact argument to the supers in 2008. joshcryer May 2016 #12

Irony is a good word. Octafish May 2016 #18

She was wrong about Obama's electablity, though. joshcryer May 2016 #19

She was wrong about a lot. Octafish May 2016 #26

Siding with Democracy means supporting Hillary, who the voters choice. YouDig May 2016 #13

I'll go with that. So how about letting all the voters decide? Octafish May 2016 #22

Sounds good. And after that I hope and expect that the superdelegates will side with whoever YouDig May 2016 #23

Sounds like a deal. Octafish May 2016 #27

Overturning the will of the voters? Demsrule86 May 2016 #42

Not in the Virgin Islands. Octafish May 2016 #46

The supers vote with the delegate winner Demsrule86 May 2016 #62

I must have missed it when the Sanders campaign told Erin Bilbray onenote May 2016 #51

Interesting observation. What is the point of having Superdelegates if not to use them, though? Octafish May 2016 #58

Obmama faced the same thing Demsrule86 May 2016 #64

Lol. Ok. JTFrog May 2016 #20

Now THAT is funny. Octafish May 2016 #25

K&R amborin May 2016 #32

I don't know why discussing politics with my friends gets them so angry. Octafish May 2016 #47

It keeps getting repeated that Clinton is wildly unpopular. How does she lead in votes? Explain pls. brush May 2016 #36

That is a great question. Octafish May 2016 #48

Totaling up the votes cast in caucus states requires some work but is possible. onenote May 2016 #52

Thank you! Octafish May 2016 #59

What? No credit to the base of the party that voted for her over and over? brush May 2016 #54

''Rigged'' is a word you brought to the discussion. Octafish May 2016 #61

The article referenced in you post says the Dem party "changed the rules". That's the same as . . . brush May 2016 #63

not true Demsrule86 May 2016 #40

So Superdelegate System IS an undemocratic process. Octafish May 2016 #49

Kickin' & a Recken' 2banon May 2016 #53

The lobbyists will vote for Her FlatBaroque May 2016 #55

Should call the New Democratic Party aka DLC party. MaeScott May 2016 #57

all delegates are equal Exilednight May 2016 #60

I wish there was a policy this election: no articles from Goodman and Abramson. Beacool May 2016 #65

Thanks! Octafish May 2016 #69

Debbie WantsToRigIt Schultz ('08 Version): AzDar May 2016 #67

Wow! Octafish May 2016 #71

The strongest candidate is the one who actually wins. boston bean May 2016 #70

So take money out of the process and make it fair. Octafish May 2016 #72

Yes, I do. thanks for asking. boston bean May 2016 #73

The DNC would rather have President Trump than President Sanders BernieforPres2016 May 2016 #74