2016 Postmortem

Cheese Sandwich

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10. poverty goes up and down. Welfare reform was a structural change, permanent.

Thu May 19, 2016, 04:33 PM

May 2016

It was easy to kill welfare when poverty was down, and less people needed it. But when the tides turned and the jobs disappeared, then we were left without a safety net.

That's Clinton welfare reform.

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Hillary called people on welfare "deadbeats" [View all] Cheese Sandwich May 2016 OP

Well, she did. nt silvershadow May 2016 #1

They used that to sell "progressive liberalisation" of services to the deveoping countries Baobab May 2016 #8

some people on welfare are deadbeats. I know several of them nt msongs May 2016 #2

Deadbeats, welfare queens, people faking back injuries. Cheese Sandwich May 2016 #5

But you will be OK with Trump as president? What planet is this? Actor May 2016 #31

Where did I say that? Cheese Sandwich May 2016 #35

. Loudestlib May 2016 #38

I dont know what you are implying but if you knew who I was and what I do Actor May 2016 #41

I'm not really human. Loudestlib May 2016 #44

The plaintive, wholly unverified cry of an anonymous internet poster with a dash of cali May 2016 #59

Forget me, look at what the WORLD is saying Actor May 2016 #60

Deflection. cali May 2016 #61

probably not they have no shame. They are implying you are employed by David Brock rbrnmw May 2016 #63

Democrats aren't supposed to attack poor people. Ken Burch May 2016 #6

I know. Let's export thousands of jobs and import millions of foreign workers. That will help poor Akicita May 2016 #33

That was the OLD Democratic Party. In the new, corporate-owned Democratic Party... Yurovsky May 2016 #64

nice ancedote DonCoquixote May 2016 #11

Stop believing the corporate media lies scscholar May 2016 #29

That's a pretty disgusting RW lie actually riderinthestorm May 2016 #66

Is there any reason you didn't boldface "Poverty overall is down" and "child poverty has dropped"? YouDig May 2016 #3

Because welfare reform was an attack on working class people and I wanted to bold that out. Cheese Sandwich May 2016 #7

Aha, the actual fact that poverty and child poverty dropped while employment went up is YouDig May 2016 #9

poverty goes up and down. Welfare reform was a structural change, permanent. Cheese Sandwich May 2016 #10

Not during the Clinton administration. Then it just went down. YouDig May 2016 #13

Well when Clinton was cutting welfare didn't he care that if the economy collapsed then people Cheese Sandwich May 2016 #14

His policies greatly reduced poverty. He couldn't forsee that Bush would wreck the economy after YouDig May 2016 #21

"couldn't forsee"? - The economy always goes up and down in cycles every few years. That's basic. Cheese Sandwich May 2016 #23

You think that poverty went down for an entire decade in the 90s, and then YouDig May 2016 #27

The cycles always happen. That is extremely predictable. Cheese Sandwich May 2016 #34

No, 10-years of decreasing and then 10 years increasing poverty is not predictable. YouDig May 2016 #36

PNTR was not passed until very late in the Clinton years. To be real it had a huge effect. Cheese Sandwich May 2016 #40

That is true, but NAFTA wasn't. YouDig May 2016 #43

this is an extremely important point 0rganism May 2016 #55

Over the long run, the Clintons' welfare reform has NOT reduced poverty. reformist2 May 2016 #16

While he was in office, it greatly decreased, this is a statistical fact. YouDig May 2016 #24

It did, mostly because of the internet boom. Very unusual scenario. reformist2 May 2016 #32

because bernie supporters don't care about helping the poor evidently, only nitpicking words. MariaThinks May 2016 #30

I'm not going to get to worked up about this maxsolomon May 2016 #4

Oh, yes there are deadbeats! Me and a black mother in NC jwirr May 2016 #28

I didn't say that you were a deadbeat, nor the mother in NC. I doubt Clinton would either. maxsolomon May 2016 #54

If she did not say it why was she kicking us off welfare? It jwirr May 2016 #58

Because it's so much better to sell out your country for millions. Waiting For Everyman May 2016 #12

I fail to see the issue here apnu May 2016 #15

It's because she called us deadbeats Cheese Sandwich May 2016 #19

Well context matters apnu May 2016 #25

Whatever. If you want to dance around it and try to justify it, go ahead. Cheese Sandwich May 2016 #37

The welfare rolls were cut in half. Oh, yes, but in the welfare jwirr May 2016 #39

Ok, i hear you. apnu May 2016 #45

My point is that she did not in anyway accept that there jwirr May 2016 #47

The wording was poor yes apnu May 2016 #49

She called us "deadbeats" but meant it only in the good way Fumesucker May 2016 #50

You hate Reagan for "welfare queens" but jwirr can't similarly loathe Clinton for deadbeats? riderinthestorm May 2016 #68

Meh. This again? Nobody cared then. Nobody cares now ... NurseJackie May 2016 #17

People do care about it I think. Cheese Sandwich May 2016 #22

Enjoy! NurseJackie May 2016 #26

Your rudeness doesn't cover for you. Octafish May 2016 #56

Not to worry. I doubt if Hillary will continue to insult deadbeats. nt oasis May 2016 #18

Spoken like the solid conservative she is ThePhilosopher04 May 2016 #20

HRC's point of view is right wing Republican here. stillwaiting May 2016 #42

"she can do that! she's for all those deadbeats!" MisterP May 2016 #46

I had to seek public assistance for almost a year after I lost my job newrevolution May 2016 #48

Welcome to DU Fumesucker May 2016 #51

Working yourself into an early grave My Good Babushka May 2016 #52

yes you have it figured out Cheese Sandwich May 2016 #62

Ironically, the glorious leftist pre-DLC party to which many wish to return whatthehey May 2016 #53

"Deadbeats" is how the rich would prefer to see the poor as so... AZ Progressive May 2016 #57

Unfortunately some are deadbeats. CorkySt.Clair May 2016 #65

That sounds like it came out of the mouth of one of the more hateful Republicans. Vinca May 2016 #67

Why is she so willing to bring in foreign workers on H1B visas, vintx May 2016 #69

Ugh. Karmadillo May 2016 #70