2016 Postmortem

ericson00

(2,707 posts) Thu May 19, 2016, 07:25 PM May 2016

Bernie talking "Colonialism" in Puerto Rico [View all]

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Bernie Sanders, trying to get some votes in Puerto Rico, a commonwealth of America, said this

http://www.thenation.com/article/bernie-sanders-says-us-must-end-colonial-type-relationship-with-puerto-rico/

“The people of the US cannot continue a colonial-type relationship with the people of Puerto Rico.”

He also talked about PR independence, even tho PR in the past has rejected it (by a landslide margin).

Accusing America of colonialism in PR, like Fidel Castro did, sounds like a communist. It must stop. PR should be the 51st state, but not secede from America. How would its economy survive alone? Why has PR consistently rejected secession? Bernie ought to learn not everyone buys into what in Russian is called "Internatsionalnyy Dolg"

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Bernie talking "Colonialism" in Puerto Rico [View all] ericson00 May 2016 OP

And... we are an empire nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #1

any alternative for this "empire" for PR? ericson00 May 2016 #15

And PR is doing so well right now, they were the test bed nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #16

He's right! That is exactly how we treat PR. jillan May 2016 #2

No, he's not right. PR votes periodically on their status. They chose to be part of the US but not a stevenleser May 2016 #6

They are citizens and vote in Presidential primaries KingFlorez May 2016 #11

One would think a member of the Senate would be knowledgeable about the relationship.... George II May 2016 #49

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Independence_movement_in_Puerto_Rico reddread May 2016 #54

Again Sanders weighs in on a complicated issue with simplistic demagoguery. stevenleser May 2016 #3

Please tell what you suggest the United States do with Puerto Rico? Octafish May 2016 #9

Debts can be taken over, restructured indefinitely, forgiven. Hortensis May 2016 #72

Last referendum, a majority voted not to continue its current status. So much for your Democracy. chascarrillo May 2016 #30

I'm very aware of that vote and all of the controversy regarding what the vote meant. Again... stevenleser May 2016 #38

lol reddread May 2016 #55

But I don't believe they voted for either statehood or independence. George II May 2016 #56

Sadly, I have to agree. nt BootinUp May 2016 #71

Bernie is telling the truth, routine. Octafish May 2016 #4

It's quite a stretch to say that Puerto Rico's relationship with the US is "colonialism". George II May 2016 #58

No. Just fleeced now by Wall Street in place of the sugar plantations' owners. Octafish May 2016 #66

Oh Bernie...pick a political philosophy and stick to it. Might help if you ever run for anotherproletariat May 2016 #5

Oh, so true!! nt eastwestdem May 2016 #10

This is absurd KingFlorez May 2016 #7

Wow pmorlan1 May 2016 #14

I think he doesn't know he is still in a primary race in the Democratic party. upaloopa May 2016 #8

either that, or a Leninist in the 1910s and 1920s ericson00 May 2016 #12

Red baiting nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #18

That dog doesn't hunt anymore upaloopa May 2016 #19

Tell that to the OP nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #20

maybe he was referring to accusing people of "redbaiting" ericson00 May 2016 #21

So why are you still pushing red baiting nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #22

You sound like this... Armstead May 2016 #52

Song for Ya Armstead May 2016 #50

"Sounds like a communist" is pushing it, but he does frame everything in very simplistic terms. YouDig May 2016 #13

Accusing? Cal Carpenter May 2016 #17

Clinton liberals are very annoying Cheese Sandwich May 2016 #23

oh no! classic liberals, instead of the far-left uber-progressives, still exist ericson00 May 2016 #24

This message was self-deleted by its author TM99 May 2016 #32

Most limit their liberalism to a handful.of social issues cali May 2016 #57

History is so Loki May 2016 #25

K&R. nt UtahLib May 2016 #26

Now Bernie is really being ridiculous NastyRiffraff May 2016 #27

Tell me again how you want to close our borders to Syrian refugees, ericson00. chascarrillo May 2016 #28

He said.. He would protect self determination for PR whether they vote for an improved current Kip Humphrey May 2016 #29

Which is better. What Bernie said or this? NWCorona May 2016 #31

I like what she said, ericson00 May 2016 #37

Yep. If the world concentrated on 50-100-200 year old grievances all countries would be in stevenleser May 2016 #39

Yeah, AA folks should just get over slavery. Jews should shut up about the holocaust cali May 2016 #62

I would hope that would be possible, someday treestar May 2016 #69

So far in this thread, Bernie has been called a communist, anti-American and a Leninist. neverforget May 2016 #33

I hadn't seen the "Red" card played in a while. Buns_of_Fire May 2016 #44

I never would have imagined in 2016 that the Red card would be played neverforget May 2016 #46

you are aware that during the Cold War, ericson00 May 2016 #48

Socialism doesn't mean communism. chascarrillo May 2016 #53

Yeah I grew up in the 70s and 80s. neverforget May 2016 #67

Poor Bernie treestar May 2016 #70

Bernie doing what he always does... create a boogeyman and sell himself as the boogeyman slayer Corporate666 May 2016 #34

Long-time Hillary supporter here -- quit redbaiting obamanut2012 May 2016 #35

Agreed! Starry Messenger May 2016 #41

How many referenda have the Puerto Ricans had on this subject? brooklynite May 2016 #36

the last one; independence won less than 6% of the vote to statehood's 61% and free assoc's 33% ericson00 May 2016 #42

Damn you are really stretching now. In that speech Bernie saud morningfog May 2016 #40

Out of curiosity, has Sanders pledged unilateral independence or Statehood? brooklynite May 2016 #43

You're out to lunch dude. Bernie is 100% correct. Quit red baiting. ThePhilosopher04 May 2016 #45

Unbelievable. Only he could drag out the old "colonialism" story. George II May 2016 #47

Only he? Rreally? chascarrillo May 2016 #59

Bernie is correct pinebox May 2016 #51

He's going to get crushed. LexVegas May 2016 #60

DC, PR, and the USVI are issues that really need to be settled Algernon Moncrieff May 2016 #61

The Repubs opposes DC, PR, and VI statehood because it will be nine more Democratic Electoral ... DemocratSinceBirth May 2016 #64

Short run, yes Algernon Moncrieff May 2016 #65

I respect the desires of the Puerto Rican people. DemocratSinceBirth May 2016 #63

Me, too. It should be their choice. nt pnwmom May 2016 #68