2016 Postmortem

TheKentuckian

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120. No honor. No decency. No honesty.

Fri May 20, 2016, 05:38 AM

May 2016

I no more care what you are going on about that what the juice in a dumpster thinks.

What ever you have to tell yourself to get through the night.

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I wonder what rules the Bernie people wanted to change so badly. [View all] YouDig May 2016 OP

They wanted their voice vote to count. Is that a lot to ask? highprincipleswork May 2016 #1

It did count, they were just outnumbered by Hillary supporters. YouDig May 2016 #3

But they yelled louder BeyondGeography May 2016 #6

Exactly. And they recorded those yells from a microphone in the middle of their yelling section! YouDig May 2016 #7

Maybe they should go to a different way of counting when there is this much disagreement. highprincipleswork May 2016 #9

The minority was complaining because they were in the minority. YouDig May 2016 #13

"Reinstate the 58" count'em aspirant May 2016 #37

The 58 weren't registered Democrats, as determined by a panel with 50% Bernie and 50% YouDig May 2016 #42

Present the 58 registration documents and their personal interviews aspirant May 2016 #55

a panel composed of 50% SBS supporters made that decision. But foolish CTs abound. bettyellen May 2016 #76

Show us the 3 stages of the 58 documented registrations. aspirant May 2016 #78

Show us the SBS supporters who made those decisions complaining about how it happened. They are not bettyellen May 2016 #95

"Reinstate the 58" and provide registrations for all 3 stages aspirant May 2016 #99

oh wow, more bullshit memes. way to go, team! bettyellen May 2016 #103

Why the cover-up, simply produce all the documents aspirant May 2016 #105

No one officially involved is making accusations- when it is just CT loving internet posters doing bettyellen May 2016 #106

Why do you promote secrecy? aspirant May 2016 #107

Why are you repeating lies? There are NO ACTUAL ACCUSATIONS from Sanders bettyellen May 2016 #108

Hiding the truth is the grand deception aspirant May 2016 #109

You think there was a "grand deception" and SBS campaign workers are in on it? Because they bettyellen May 2016 #115

Documents were fine in stage1 and 2, aspirant May 2016 #118

Ask the SBS people who decertified their own delegates why THEY did that. LOL. bettyellen May 2016 #119

Lol. Nt seabeyond May 2016 #73

But at the wrong time! scscholar May 2016 #104

They then asked for a person by person count. This was at the very outset of the convention. And it highprincipleswork May 2016 #8

What were they voting about? Do you even know? Does anyone? YouDig May 2016 #10

"Reinstate the 58" then count aspirant May 2016 #39

Seriously, how much is the Brock pac paying and for what. emsimon33 May 2016 #50

I have come to the conclusion that Hillary has outsourced her comments J_J_ May 2016 #63

Yeah Demsrule86 May 2016 #116

I guess it's Brock o'Clock somewhere... Matt_in_STL May 2016 #2

Any that allows a bernie loss is unsatisfactory DrDan May 2016 #4

...and Credentials Committees get pretty dull when they're equally composed from both sides... brooklynite May 2016 #5

I read a comment last night that the rules were in effect since 2008 St Aug girl May 2016 #11

You read in a comment last night? YouDig May 2016 #14

"Reinstate the 58" they showed up aspirant May 2016 #44

Actually they didn't. After the credentials committee realized that they weren't eligible because YouDig May 2016 #46

No complaints from the 58 and none from Sanders. Case closed, imo. randome May 2016 #56

Prove it, present the registration documents aspirant May 2016 #59

They didn't have the registration documents, that's the point. They weren't registered Dems, YouDig May 2016 #60

"They didn't have the registration documents" aspirant May 2016 #62

They didn't become delegates, because they didn't have the credentials. YouDig May 2016 #65

This is the third step and they passed the first 2 with outstanding credentials aspirant May 2016 #66

Apparently not outstanding since they weren't registered Dems. YouDig May 2016 #67

Prove it aspirant May 2016 #69

The bipartisan credentials committee checked. You think they lied? YouDig May 2016 #70

We don't know, aspirant May 2016 #72

Because it might be a big conspiracy! Yuuuuuuge conspiracy! YouDig May 2016 #74

Or it might be evil trickery as part of an evil plan, aspirant May 2016 #79

There is proof, there credentials committe. But proof never stops a determined YouDig May 2016 #80

Good, then provide the proof at all 3 stages aspirant May 2016 #81

See what I mean, there's always a way to keep the conspiracy theory going. YouDig May 2016 #82

Proof overpowers any conspiracy, waiting aspirant May 2016 #83

Yes, but you don't have proof. That's why you resort to conspiracy. YouDig May 2016 #84

You don't have proof, so aspirant May 2016 #85

I do, the credentials committee. Do you have a credentials committee? YouDig May 2016 #86

Good bring forth the documents, otherwise it's just words aspirant May 2016 #87

So that's a "no". Score: one credentials committee for me, zero for you. YouDig May 2016 #88

Bring forth the documents or you have no score aspirant May 2016 #89

But I do! I have a credentials committee. You have zero. And also no documents. Nothing! YouDig May 2016 #92

You have no documets, therefore you have "nothing" aspirant May 2016 #94

A credentials committee is not "nothing". Nothing is what you have. YouDig May 2016 #96

"Reinstate the 58" aspirant May 2016 #100

They used the same basic rules, nothing was changed. joshcryer May 2016 #16

Yes, and a judge found nothing wrong with the rules Hortensis May 2016 #90

Be honest! You don't "wonder" anything, you're just pushing a narrative. TheBlackAdder May 2016 #12

Be honest. You have no idea what the rules issue was, and don't care, you're just mad YouDig May 2016 #15

Which Bernie people told him to be mad, a list of names aspirant May 2016 #47

Since you appear as a new trollist type, you don't know I'm an Non-committed Democratic Poli-Sci guy TheBlackAdder May 2016 #101

Since this thread is about rules, isn't there some rule here about calling people trolls? YouDig May 2016 #102

Applying critical reading, I did not call you one. I said you seem to appear like one of that ilk. TheBlackAdder May 2016 #117

More than anything they wanted a fair vote on the issue of whether or not to change. aikoaiko May 2016 #17

And they got that. Any amendment to the rules required a 2/3rds majority, and the YouDig May 2016 #19

The voice counts were dubious and they wanted a more careful count. aikoaiko May 2016 #22

OK, but the chair is the person who determines that, according to the rules which have been YouDig May 2016 #24

We'll never know if the chair got it wrong and that was the point of a more careful count which was aikoaiko May 2016 #34

If we do math we can. Because if less than 50% of the delegates were for Bernie, they YouDig May 2016 #38

You seem to be missing the point. Robert's Rules of Order is about process and deliberation aikoaiko May 2016 #53

Robert's Rules of Order are not been in place for the Nevada convention, nor have they been YouDig May 2016 #58

I'm not surprised you didn't know this, but RRO due have a place in the convention rules aikoaiko May 2016 #61

As a fallback, behind their specific rules. But there is no indication that the rules they YouDig May 2016 #64

"Reinstate the 58" and "less" becomes more aspirant May 2016 #49

Fact Fail. Voting scheduled for 10:0@ am - voice vote started at 9:30 am IdaBriggs May 2016 #18

Not close to true. The convention started at 9, not 10. 10 was when registration closed, which YouDig May 2016 #20

That's not what I've read and watched in the reports. Since we disagree IdaBriggs May 2016 #21

Here is the official call to convention. YouDig May 2016 #23

From Your Link -- (page 2) -- IdaBriggs May 2016 #68

Did you check page 1? In boldface? Right at the front? YouDig May 2016 #71

"reinstate the 58" and "more" becomes less aspirant May 2016 #75

Again, we are arguing facts and we disagree about them. IdaBriggs May 2016 #77

Why do a pointless floor count except to waste time? YouDig May 2016 #91

IdaBriggs, you are arguing against all honest Hortensis May 2016 #93

"Reinstate the 58" aspirant May 2016 #98

If you are doing votes, much less voice votes while the people that vote are still registering TheKentuckian May 2016 #110

The schedule is posted weeks in advance. Anyone who wanted to participate in the procedural votes YouDig May 2016 #112

If you vote when people are still registering to be delegates then you are trying to get over. TheKentuckian May 2016 #113

That's absolutely not true, it happens all the time, the rules were the same as in years past. YouDig May 2016 #114

No honor. No decency. No honesty. TheKentuckian May 2016 #120

I believe the party chair was the one to change the rules. mmonk May 2016 #25

Nope. The provisional rules were decided well in advance, and were the same as had been YouDig May 2016 #32

They didn't want change, they wanted the changes entered legally, with Roberts Rules of Order. ViseGrip May 2016 #26

There were no changes. The rules were the same as had been used since 2008. YouDig May 2016 #29

They wanted the rules to be followed AgingAmerican May 2016 #27

And they were, to the word. Hillary people just had them outnumbered. YouDig May 2016 #28

The made up the rules on the fly AgingAmerican May 2016 #31

Nope, the provisional rules were created weeks in advance and posted on the internet for everyone. YouDig May 2016 #33

And the fraud they have committed will sink them in the General election AgingAmerican May 2016 #35

There was no fraud. You have a habit of being wrong. YouDig May 2016 #40

Apparently openly committing fraud is their strategy AgingAmerican May 2016 #43

"Reinstate the 58" "less" becomes more aspirant May 2016 #51

I wonder why people bother to reply to you. Canned talking points and all. libdem4life May 2016 #30

The Sanders Campaign did not comply with the rules and were unhappy when they lost Gothmog May 2016 #36

Bernie delegates did not show up so the others threw a childish fit. riversedge May 2016 #41

Let them put whatever they want into the platform...it's not a legally binding document anotherproletariat May 2016 #45

I'd say so too, write whatever you want in the platform, just no more disrupting and death threats. YouDig May 2016 #48

Where are the "death threat" arrests, it's a crime? aspirant May 2016 #54

Oh, no. They'll get something, we agree on so much, Hortensis May 2016 #97

Major thread FAIL. dchill May 2016 #52

Know what this reminds me of? cherokeeprogressive May 2016 #57

This post is kinda 'trolly'... JSup May 2016 #111