2016 Postmortem

kaleckim

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16. Telling

Fri May 20, 2016, 10:29 AM

May 2016

that you think it is just fine, when she is already not trusted and her team just spent the last few days lying on TV on her behalf, that you think it's a waste of time. You do realize that she is now the most unpopular nominee in polling history and is now tied with Donald freaking Turmp nationally and in key swing states? This could be an opportunity to sell herself to people she needs to mend fences with and to convince to vote for her, but she has nothing to sell but lies and the absurd notion that she's more electable, which she isn't. Horrible candidate, and a cowardly one at that.

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Hillary reneges on California debate [View all] hellofromreddit May 2016 OP

#ShockedNotShocked pinebox May 2016 #1

Waste of time no? tia uponit7771 May 2016 #2

She lies all the time anyhow. Why would anyone trust her to honor her word. think May 2016 #80

Hillary shouldn't go near any debates: Sanders is melting down: He is not lewebley3 May 2016 #135

Where is this melt down you speak of? hellofromreddit May 2016 #158

Sanders has developed a swelled head: problem of which Brady Kids were victims lewebley3 May 2016 #162

That's a bunch of vague nonsense. Get specific. hellofromreddit May 2016 #163

I don't need to be specific; google Brady kids swelled head lewebley3 May 2016 #175

No. Make your case. hellofromreddit May 2016 #178

Sanders has made his case: he has lost control of his followers: lewebley3 May 2016 #179

Weak. You've got nothing. Done. hellofromreddit May 2016 #180

Hillary has the votes: that enough facts lewebley3 May 2016 #181

Truth is simple any very strong: Sanders has been rejected: by by Sanders lewebley3 May 2016 #194

Melting down right into unprecedented power to write the party platform! AgingAmerican May 2016 #211

What matters is what Dem have for votes in Senator or house not a platform lewebley3 May 2016 #215

The platform outlines what Democrats believe in AgingAmerican May 2016 #216

Won't make any difference: if the Dem's don't have the votes lewebley3 May 2016 #218

A waste of time if your goal is not to get out the Democratic message and drive excitement, no? tia TheBlackAdder May 2016 #159

Pathetic kaleckim May 2016 #3

I hope fox does a 1 hour town hall with just Bernie, I bet Hill would change her mind then litlbilly May 2016 #102

We have a GE to win hack89 May 2016 #4

Telling kaleckim May 2016 #16

There is time for that in the GE hack89 May 2016 #72

"Butt hurt" kaleckim May 2016 #75

Don't forget the racism smear over the deep south remark. hellofromreddit May 2016 #83

Forgot that one kaleckim May 2016 #86

Whatever. Do what you want. apcalc May 2016 #92

+1 to all of that vintx May 2016 #205

Congratulations #289 corkhead May 2016 #94

Could you find a better phrase than the homophobic "butt hurt" please? bettyellen May 2016 #149

That "guy who lost" represents millions of voters. hellofromreddit May 2016 #24

They are banking that the left kaleckim May 2016 #79

damned right. Merryland May 2016 #93

Then why is her campaign still focused on Sanders? Scootaloo May 2016 #82

Don't really see that hack89 May 2016 #126

Well kaleckim May 2016 #150

Hillary will cave once again and debate Bernie NWCorona May 2016 #5

not many candidates like the taste of "chicken" reddread May 2016 #12

She sure won't do it LoverOfLiberty May 2016 #197

I'm sure they will come to a mutual agreement on this. NWCorona May 2016 #201

That sounds reasonable to me. n/t LoverOfLiberty May 2016 #203

good..... it's over, he just needs free air time to raise money Florencenj2point0 May 2016 #6

Good, there wasn't even a need for the NY debate, much less one now in late May Tarc May 2016 #7

Well, considering Clinton won't debate Flighty McFlight May 2016 #14

I guess her word is meaningless. morningfog May 2016 #43

Circumstances sometimes change over time, we adapt to them Tarc May 2016 #62

Circumstances sometimes change over time, we adapt to them frylock May 2016 #81

She has nothing to gain by debating him, but it would serve his purposes! Native May 2016 #113

Exactly. No one that even knows how to spell clue let alone has one is surprised by this Number23 May 2016 #184

Of course it's meaningless. She'll say anything. Scootaloo May 2016 #88

Hahahahahahaha! workinclasszero May 2016 #49

"Maybe Bernie can pull a Clint Eastwood and debate a chair." Surya Gayatri May 2016 #65

If he does I hope he doesn't pick it up or he'll be accused of throwing it. derpderpderp May 2016 #78

She crushed him in that debate, too. LisaM May 2016 #151

Why punch down at a trounced opponent? LexVegas May 2016 #8

LOL! kaleckim May 2016 #20

Good question. You guys have been doing nothing else for a couple of months Scootaloo May 2016 #95

+1 hellofromreddit May 2016 #100

This exactly vintx May 2016 #207

Even the international media has pronounced Sanders a "vanquished opponent." Why waste time debating Number23 May 2016 #185

.... notadmblnd May 2016 #9

Thank god Dem2 May 2016 #10

And it's just a clever as it was the first time. bvf May 2016 #64

Truth bomb Dem2 May 2016 #73

That was also very witty. bvf May 2016 #76

Well I'm just having fun with you Dem2 May 2016 #164

Another debate certainly bvf May 2016 #165

Ok? Did it feel good to say that? Dem2 May 2016 #166

I'll put you down for "debates are bad" then. bvf May 2016 #168

LMAO!! Dem2 May 2016 #172

Thought you'd appreciate it. bvf May 2016 #173

Somebody put a gun to your head and force you to watch? frylock May 2016 #84

She's chicken! Waiting For Everyman May 2016 #11

Plus chicken to face the question of why she hasn't released the transcripts AS PROMISED. JudyM May 2016 #32

That's good; fuck Fox News BeyondGeography May 2016 #13

Nobody gains anything from further debates. Codeine May 2016 #15

Good. Bernie lost... SidDithers May 2016 #17

And her word is apparently meaningless. She agreed and now reneges. morningfog May 2016 #45

Not really. The race is over. That kind of changes the playing ground. Native May 2016 #114

An agreement is an agreement. morningfog May 2016 #117

You're wrong. She has and he has. Native May 2016 #125

You don't understand math, huh? morningfog May 2016 #127

You're really funny. Native May 2016 #133

Here are the numbers, since you play dumb. morningfog May 2016 #140

Like I said, funny. Native May 2016 #143

For fuck's sake. Play dumb, I could care less. morningfog May 2016 #146

I'm so happy that he lost Politicub May 2016 #167

Good decision. Time to run the clock out on Bernie. timlot May 2016 #18

Oh yeah kaleckim May 2016 #26

Bernie supporters aren't persuadable right now. When he officially suspends things will change. timlot May 2016 #36

You're deluded kaleckim May 2016 #39

You're emotional. Its not about Hillary or Bernie. Its about the country. timlot May 2016 #63

My emotional what? kaleckim May 2016 #67

You think that bullshit is going to convince anyone? BillZBubb May 2016 #107

He wont be suspending anything after we win CA by 45 or 50. The new regs are off the charts litlbilly May 2016 #104

Trump cancelled his last debate; so I guess neither of them will get elected? brooklynite May 2016 #19

now youre catching on reddread May 2016 #22

she's scared; she's losing California and the nomination amborin May 2016 #21

"Losing California" obamanut2012 May 2016 #23

^^^this!^^^nt hopemountain May 2016 #189

She's our George W. Bush. closeupready May 2016 #209

Being serious here, how many different ways can he do the same speech? Starry Messenger May 2016 #25

If you're being serious, why not address her breaking another promise? DisgustipatedinCA May 2016 #40

He sticks to his message and doesn't change it like Clinton does. Punkingal May 2016 #50

Because, I said why. Starry Messenger May 2016 #60

"Because"? truebluegreen May 2016 #156

Difficult time following threads? Starry Messenger May 2016 #157

So true. It's been the same stump speech and the same talking points for over a year now. Native May 2016 #124

I see, sticking to a message and a belief is a BAD THING. Punkingal May 2016 #160

Actually debating and not just REPEATING YOURSELF is a sign of intellect. Starry Messenger May 2016 #182

Bullshit. Punkingal May 2016 #187

Well, there's a sign of a vibrant intellect. Starry Messenger May 2016 #188

Good..Washington Times is right-wing anyway.. There's no need for her to debate Sanders.. asuhornets May 2016 #27

I see no point in it. Our nominee has been picked. NCTraveler May 2016 #28

Intellectually dishonest hyperbole...unless you think the Secret Service can't handle DisgustipatedinCA May 2016 #42

I love this. NCTraveler May 2016 #46

You weren't joking. DisgustipatedinCA May 2016 #54

Yes, I was. Please get your crystal ball checked. NCTraveler May 2016 #59

One guy picks up a chair, a dozen other people immediately stop him. hellofromreddit May 2016 #55

It was the only guy threatening violence with a chair. Lol NCTraveler May 2016 #61

Fortunately he didn't beat a woman because she supported a different candidate as Wendell Pierce did Matt_in_STL May 2016 #108

Lol, yes, no reason to have bernie call her gop shit out. Nt Logical May 2016 #119

Good. Nothing productive would come of that. DCBob May 2016 #29

Exactly. Faux would create a circus like debate like they did with the republican still_one May 2016 #120

Can't you see the 'Moderators' now? COLGATE4 May 2016 #147

interest analogy.... LOL still_one May 2016 #152

Washington Times? Seriously? cwydro May 2016 #30

Attack the messenger? Seriously? hellofromreddit May 2016 #33

The messsenger didn't quote anyone in the Clinton camp Frenchye May 2016 #34

Can't quote silence. hellofromreddit May 2016 #47

Yeah seriously. Moonie times lies. emulatorloo May 2016 #74

I know, right? This is totally made up bullshit. joshcryer May 2016 #91

Yeah! Seriously! hellofromreddit May 2016 #212

no loss to me oldandhappy May 2016 #31

I see her point, but it could help Bernie do better in California. thesquanderer May 2016 #35

Bernie and his supporters should not be rewarded for their bad behavior. 1st rule of common sense. Jitter65 May 2016 #37

Their "bad behavior"? hellofromreddit May 2016 #38

By her claiming the nomination already, she has told the people of California panader0 May 2016 #41

or jinxed herself. nt hopemountain May 2016 #190

All you Clinton supporters kaleckim May 2016 #44

ENABLERS! FlatBaroque May 2016 #52

We hold debates when we need to decide between two candidates Tarc May 2016 #66

Thanks kaleckim May 2016 #70

Words are so cheap JEB May 2016 #48

Hillary won...Bernie lost workinclasszero May 2016 #51

Cowardly. If she can't face Bernie, how's she gonna face Trump? n/t Jester Messiah May 2016 #53

Smart. She doesn't have to face Bernie. She should be preparing to face Trump now. Native May 2016 #132

This is why people don't trust her. Keep this in mind when you vote for her, it's whatever is Autumn May 2016 #56

Right, you trust the moonie times false lies... joshcryer May 2016 #111

Please send me the lotto numbers from your magic balls. TIA Autumn May 2016 #115

You should be asking the moonie times for that. joshcryer May 2016 #123

The moonie times didn't presume to tell me what I would be doing in the future. Autumn May 2016 #134

Not a far stretch from trusting the moonie times. joshcryer May 2016 #136

Today itz the moonie times is rw lol SwampG8r May 2016 #196

This was some cheap fox news ploy meant to bash Hillary. Oreilly was promoting The_Casual_Observer May 2016 #57

This message was self-deleted by its author NowSam May 2016 #58

Not Surprised pmorlan1 May 2016 #68

Good call Hillary! boston bean May 2016 #69

Moonie Times emulatorloo May 2016 #71

Called it - the more she talks, the worse she looks. No surprise. nt IdaBriggs May 2016 #77

Too bad she chickened; I like to listen to her ever-evolving nonsense. yourpaljoey May 2016 #85

She's chicken re: answering email and transcript questions JudyM May 2016 #142

No one told her what her platform is this week so she would be as lost as Blow Dry Joe! yourpaljoey May 2016 #144

She will be doing the debate. joshcryer May 2016 #87

You're probably right. But it's impossible to know if she always intended or just caved. hellofromreddit May 2016 #97

That's because people post false lies about her doing a debate or not. joshcryer May 2016 #98

Well, you see it on actual issues as well. Gay marriage, war, banks, etc. Same pattern--always late. hellofromreddit May 2016 #101

She'll show up because that's what she does. joshcryer May 2016 #109

Bad news. hellofromreddit May 2016 #210

Well I got it wrong. joshcryer May 2016 #213

I completely agree with that guess, and I'm as surprised as you are. hellofromreddit May 2016 #214

I really don't know why she'd do this debate. What would be the point? She's won and won big Number23 May 2016 #186

There is no practical reason whatsoever for a debate. apcalc May 2016 #89

Who cares? LiberalFighter May 2016 #90

Well, at least there's not a pattern of lying--Oh. Wait. Karmadillo May 2016 #96

Hillary is taking a knee. Game over. Bernie has no timeouts left. Gomez163 May 2016 #99

Taking a knee? Was it from sniper fire? pinebox May 2016 #130

Hannity could not have said that better. Gomez163 May 2016 #154

I'm sorry I can't hear you pinebox May 2016 #155

Good Demsrule86 May 2016 #103

What's the point? To hear Bernie blah blah blah beachbumbob May 2016 #105

Anyone who actually MuseRider May 2016 #106

Hillary's word is not worth spit. This frees Bernie of his no 3rd party run BillZBubb May 2016 #110

This message was self-deleted by its author still_one May 2016 #121

A pictorial response Tarc May 2016 #122

I actually agree with this. Clinton should concede and take the Cali loss graciously. lumberjack_jeff May 2016 #112

She knows bernie will tear her up, she is not liberal. Nt Logical May 2016 #116

Did I miss something? Does he all of a sudden have super powers he didn't have in the previous Native May 2016 #137

Wonder if #whichHillary will show still MaeScott May 2016 #118

"brushing off a commitment" ... scared to death...and not from libdem4life May 2016 #128

Why can't Bernie supporters stop talking about the chair? Native May 2016 #138

Good. I hoped she would. merrily May 2016 #129

CORRECTION: the deadline is the 23rd & NPP's hopemountain May 2016 #192

THanks so much for the correction. I'll edit However, merrily May 2016 #193

Clinton breaking her promises? Colour me ... not at all surprised. Betty Karlson May 2016 #131

Thank you for bringing up Nancy Reagan again. I was getting tired of hearing about the chair. Native May 2016 #139

So now Bernie and his people love Fox News. LOL!! CrowCityDem May 2016 #141

Sick ain't it? workinclasszero May 2016 #148

A promise is a promise. FoxNews being shitty does't change anything. hellofromreddit May 2016 #153

It's pointless for the winner to have a debate KingFlorez May 2016 #145

Wash Times used to be known as the Moon Times ucrdem May 2016 #161

No need for the winner Hillary to debate the second runner up. Time to focus on Trump. riversedge May 2016 #169

No surprise here. It would be a lot easier to keep up with the times QC May 2016 #170

Another lie. Quelle surprise. riderinthestorm May 2016 #171

Good. I can't stand listening to her. Vinca May 2016 #174

Trust is the issue, and you are making it really tough for anyone to trust you. Madam Secretary. Android3.14 May 2016 #176

this is a power move, a show of force that the primary's over and it's time to get into GE mode MisterP May 2016 #177

Gutless move EndElectoral May 2016 #183

Jerk move on Clinton's part but probably the right call from a campaign perspective Recursion May 2016 #191

Update: Video of Clinton's opinion on debates hellofromreddit May 2016 #195

Aww.... workinclasszero May 2016 #198

All of your smugness doesn't undo her lying. hellofromreddit May 2016 #208

So then a Sanders/Trump debate instead! masmdu May 2016 #199

Would be about as useful as Hillary debating Ben Carson Tarc May 2016 #200

For Hillary, Yes. Would be great for Bernie. masmdu May 2016 #202

LOL workinclasszero May 2016 #206

Gutless EndElectoral May 2016 #204

You know who else skips debates? bonemachine May 2016 #217

When did she promise to go on Fox news? LAS14 May 2016 #219