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2016 Postmortem
In reply to the discussion: Hillary called people on welfare "deadbeats" [View all]0rganism
(25,456 posts)55. this is an extremely important point
let's for the moment attribute the dismal economy of the early 2000's entirely to W's unleadership and stupidity. everything was fine under president Clinton, and then W came along and fucked it all up. that's a pretty standard narrative, one cited in this very sub-thread. forget any arguments or observations about cycles or delayed feedback or anything like that, the whole thing boils down to a change of leadership from decent to crappy.
point is, we get welfare reform in all cases, good economy or dismal, decent leadership or crappy leadership.
every couple years, people in this country make a decision about leadership. sometimes we choose well, sometimes we don't.
what welfare as it was gave us was some degree of assurance that people would be protected from the vicissitudes of economic fate, whether caused by cyclic downturns or democracy fucking up.
WJC ended that assurance. for all the good he did (and he did some good things) he really shit the bed on this one, like he thought we'd never see hard times ever again. oops.
we could build that safety net back into our social fabric, but it will be difficult politically, and difficult to maintain once we have it. doesn't mean we shouldn't try, but it's not going to be ez-pz. we the people have a tendency not to appreciate what we have, and accept losses of basic protections as some kind of new normal -- like a sports team losing a star player to injury or something, it just happens sometimes, and you can't stop playing the game because of it, right?
except this isn't a game, and the people of america aren't a sports team. i do hope we the people recognize this someday.
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They used that to sell "progressive liberalisation" of services to the deveoping countries
Baobab
May 2016
#8
The plaintive, wholly unverified cry of an anonymous internet poster with a dash of
cali
May 2016
#59
probably not they have no shame. They are implying you are employed by David Brock
rbrnmw
May 2016
#63
I know. Let's export thousands of jobs and import millions of foreign workers. That will help poor
Akicita
May 2016
#33
That was the OLD Democratic Party. In the new, corporate-owned Democratic Party...
Yurovsky
May 2016
#64
Is there any reason you didn't boldface "Poverty overall is down" and "child poverty has dropped"?
YouDig
May 2016
#3
Because welfare reform was an attack on working class people and I wanted to bold that out.
Cheese Sandwich
May 2016
#7
Aha, the actual fact that poverty and child poverty dropped while employment went up is
YouDig
May 2016
#9
poverty goes up and down. Welfare reform was a structural change, permanent.
Cheese Sandwich
May 2016
#10
Well when Clinton was cutting welfare didn't he care that if the economy collapsed then people
Cheese Sandwich
May 2016
#14
His policies greatly reduced poverty. He couldn't forsee that Bush would wreck the economy after
YouDig
May 2016
#21
"couldn't forsee"? - The economy always goes up and down in cycles every few years. That's basic.
Cheese Sandwich
May 2016
#23
No, 10-years of decreasing and then 10 years increasing poverty is not predictable.
YouDig
May 2016
#36
PNTR was not passed until very late in the Clinton years. To be real it had a huge effect.
Cheese Sandwich
May 2016
#40
because bernie supporters don't care about helping the poor evidently, only nitpicking words.
MariaThinks
May 2016
#30
I didn't say that you were a deadbeat, nor the mother in NC. I doubt Clinton would either.
maxsolomon
May 2016
#54
Because it's so much better to sell out your country for millions.
Waiting For Everyman
May 2016
#12
Whatever. If you want to dance around it and try to justify it, go ahead.
Cheese Sandwich
May 2016
#37
You hate Reagan for "welfare queens" but jwirr can't similarly loathe Clinton for deadbeats?
riderinthestorm
May 2016
#68