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2016 Postmortem

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ericson00

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Fri May 20, 2016, 07:12 PM May 2016

UPDATE: Palestine in the Platform is Poison for the Party and the General Election [View all]

Last edited Mon May 23, 2016, 05:45 PM - Edit history (1)

Apparently, Bernie and his brass want to put language which elevates the Israel/Palestinian issue and "Palestinian rights" to some grand importance in the Democratic Party platform. While indeed Bernie is Jews, his anti-Israel rhetoric does not resonate with most American Jews, and he is losing the Jewish vote to Hillary badly.

Majorities and pluralities of Americans overall support Israel, as do majorities/pluralities of Democrats (maj/plur depending on the poll but a win is a win).



One of the reasons a greater percentage of Americans (than exists evangies and Jews) stands with Israel is that both America and Israel have been victims to Islamist terrorism. As Islamist terror has increased in the last two decades, you'll notice general electorate Israel support has increased.


Given that Hillary and Trump are tied on the issue of terror, elevating the Palestinians would immediate turn the Democrats into the "soft on terror" party, and possibly help Trump among the broader electorate, as well as further alienate the Jewish vote, which is concentrated in swing states, and has gone down during the Obama years.

Putting "Palestine" and "Palestinian rights" as they continue to attack Israel in the name of Islam, as other jihadist groups do across the world to other countries, will alienate not only a loyal constituency (Jewish voters), but make the party seen as "weak on terror" an elect Trump.

"Palestine" is political poison. And for good reason. I will donate 100 dollars tonight to AIPAC and Hillary's campaign. To all who see my point, join me!

Update: Bernie has forced James Zogby onto the DNC platform committee. I hope the Democrats know that his anti-Israel views are playing with serious fire.

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Keep 'em coming, Ericson00 Scootaloo May 2016 #1
yea, mainstream Democrats and mainstream America is evil ericson00 May 2016 #2
you will be missed. reddread May 2016 #3
These things are passed around like a pair of used socks Autumn May 2016 #16
How to get that sort of hidden post/total post ratio without getting banned? Vote2016 May 2016 #93
By supporting Clinton n/t arcane1 May 2016 #114
I dunno about that. But I DO know you called one of our candidates a self-hating Jew three times Scootaloo May 2016 #9
Disgusting. cali May 2016 #21
wow AtomicKitten May 2016 #33
Nobody said America or Democrats were evil. Ken Burch May 2016 #38
Far too many brainwashed people in this country. I find it absolutely insane that JRLeft May 2016 #96
so we're "brainwashed" when we stand with the only free country (per Freedom House FITW) in the ME ericson00 May 2016 #105
No one said any such thing. YOU, oth cali May 2016 #39
Thank you AtomicKitten May 2016 #23
Holy shit. Nasty stuff there. Autumn May 2016 #35
ALWAYS check the Transparency pages Scootaloo May 2016 #42
thank God for amnesty right? 11 hides but we get to see this tripe neverforget May 2016 #52
Yup... don't ever change. lumberjack_jeff May 2016 #53
I don't recognize the place anymore, Scootaloo. No further text. DisgustipatedinCA May 2016 #66
LOL, perfect response Fast Walker 52 May 2016 #103
Sanders actually LIVED in Israel. HooptieWagon May 2016 #4
Bernie Sanders spent all of 2 months in a kibbutz founded by Soviet Communists Tarc May 2016 #10
He's not an Israeli lapdog, like Clinton. HooptieWagon May 2016 #12
Actually, most people consider that a negative thing, as evidenced by the OP Tarc May 2016 #17
Support Israel, not allow them to dictate our foreign policy. HooptieWagon May 2016 #25
Despite how trendy hating Israel is in some circles, you are in a distinct minority on this matter Tarc May 2016 #31
That's changing. Fawke Em May 2016 #47
I don't give a damn if they sympathize with the corrupt PLO or the Hamas terrorists, no Tarc May 2016 #58
which of course means DonCoquixote May 2016 #78
The Israeli lobby propaganda has worked. JRLeft May 2016 #97
good thing this isn't an anti-semitic trope 6chars May 2016 #76
They aren't saying we should never question the Occupation or the settlements. Ken Burch May 2016 #36
Netanyahu won't be there forever. Tarc May 2016 #59
We can't be expected to keep silent until Netanyahu is gone. Ken Burch May 2016 #60
Yeah ..... Israeli May 2016 #83
That's two months longer than Hillary. ThePhilosopher04 May 2016 #63
ROFLMAO......... Israeli May 2016 #82
Thanks for that information cali May 2016 #89
Founded by socialist immigrants, yes Tarc May 2016 #102
Wow: that is an impressive amount of attempted red-scaring right there. Betty Karlson May 2016 #100
Sanders supports Israel also and Clinton supports a two state solution JI7 May 2016 #5
Sanders public dishonor of Israel only aids and abets those who want to delegitimize ericson00 May 2016 #6
That is just bull. cali May 2016 #24
Disagreement with Israeli security policies is not "dishonor of Israel" Ken Burch May 2016 #34
I admire your patience with this person. cali May 2016 #40
Long time spent in I/P builds up quite a thick skin, and a sense of exhausted resignation Scootaloo May 2016 #46
True dat. n/t. Ken Burch May 2016 #50
there is a lot of dishonor of israel 6chars May 2016 #77
Ugh. I support Israel. I absolutely believe in its right to exist, but cali May 2016 #90
dishonor is something more specific 6chars May 2016 #101
Bullshit. ThePhilosopher04 May 2016 #64
Actually, there are differences cali May 2016 #7
hence why the grassroots pro-Israel movement, which is broadly supported ericson00 May 2016 #8
Bernie's candidacy is not bullshit. Ken Burch May 2016 #32
Marriage equality is political poison! We can't have it in the party platform cali May 2016 #11
From the same old assholes, too n/t Scootaloo May 2016 #13
And some brand sparkly new ones cali May 2016 #15
And now I have the mental image. Thaaaaaanks Scootaloo May 2016 #18
Israel is the only country in the middle east that recognizes ericson00 May 2016 #19
Fine. But that doesn't justify the settlements and the Occupation. Ken Burch May 2016 #29
Is there a word for this? Scootaloo May 2016 #37
There is for this particular situation and they call it Pinkwashing. m-lekktor May 2016 #41
Yeah, but as an overall tactic Scootaloo May 2016 #43
Right, just like internatsionalnyy dolg ericson00 May 2016 #56
We are witnessing apartheid. JRLeft May 2016 #99
Bernie obvious isn't anti-Israel SpareribSP May 2016 #14
I'd think anyone paying attention would be anti-Netanyahu. VulgarPoet May 2016 #115
Everything is poison for the Circle D party. Healthcare? Poison. Gay marrage? Poison Autumn May 2016 #20
Spot on, Autumn cali May 2016 #26
It's not "anti-Israel" to say the settlement project is wrong and the Occupation is excessive. Ken Burch May 2016 #22
+ 100 . nt. Israeli May 2016 #85
this ^ Vote2016 May 2016 #94
May be political poison, but it's the moral thing to do EndElectoral May 2016 #27
You know, there's a party that is already in line QC May 2016 #28
NO WE CAN'T nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #30
Hillary simply isn't going to agree to this nonsense. She is a strong defender of the Jewish state tritsofme May 2016 #44
This could just b a deperate ploy on Bernies part to ericson00 May 2016 #45
It's never gonna happen. This really doesn't even concern me. tritsofme May 2016 #48
There is so much wrong with your post, I don't know where to begin. But I'll start with AIPAC jillan May 2016 #49
There's so much wrong with almost every post in this thread cali May 2016 #51
Most DUers agree with Bernie on this one oberliner May 2016 #54
2016 isnt an DU election ericson00 May 2016 #55
The more things change. . . . . . . Jake Stern May 2016 #57
I don't think... JSup May 2016 #61
The truth is, most Americans could care less, and don't consider it a major issue. ThePhilosopher04 May 2016 #62
why is this guy still here runaway hero May 2016 #65
ummm when majorities/pluralities ericson00 May 2016 #67
Post removed Post removed May 2016 #68
He wouldn't know liberal if it hit him in the ass. ThePhilosopher04 May 2016 #70
:)......nt. Israeli May 2016 #86
OK, I guess the mafia, castro, etc. all killed Kennedy ericson00 May 2016 #71
You can't just label ALL Palestinians as "terrorists". n/t. Ken Burch May 2016 #88
Sure he can. That meme is dehumanizing but that's what this poster believes cali May 2016 #91
Because of his avatar n/t Scootaloo May 2016 #69
I stand with the majority/plurality of the party this blog is named for... ericson00 May 2016 #72
No, you stand with bigots who think calling Jews "self-hating" is okay. Scootaloo May 2016 #73
+ 100 . nt. Israeli May 2016 #87
Gee, if only there were some issue Sanders supports that IS supported by a majority of Americans Warren DeMontague May 2016 #74
Palestinian rights should be in the platform. It's the right thing to do. Tierra_y_Libertad May 2016 #75
electing Trump is the right thing to do? ericson00 May 2016 #104
I'm not voting for Trump. Tierra_y_Libertad May 2016 #106
Israelis don't go around the world blowing themselves up and hijacking planes ericson00 May 2016 #107
But, Israelis do bomb, assassinate, imprison, torture, Palestinians and occupy their land. Tierra_y_Libertad May 2016 #108
not only do I realize Israel protects itself from terror against those who threaten it ericson00 May 2016 #109
And, the American people were convinced we were protecting ourselves (and Israel) Tierra_y_Libertad May 2016 #110
whats more important? You ultra minority view on Israel/Palestinians, or a party that appeals ericson00 May 2016 #111
American Exceptionalism now? Is "doing the right" thing confined to Europe? Tierra_y_Libertad May 2016 #112
I think we should leave the Israel/Palestine thing alone. underthematrix May 2016 #79
LOL, I heard him talk about Palestine all of once, when he was asked about it in a debate. ucrdem May 2016 #80
Ok. That's his belief.It's a process.We keep saying that.Let it unfold and rant about the result. snowy owl May 2016 #81
A good question to ask is Tavarious Jackson May 2016 #84
Heaven forbid we should let human rights abuses stand in the way of PNAC's neocon agenda. Vote2016 May 2016 #92
Hey look,another free republic thread! libtodeath May 2016 #95
Nope, it's just something that Debbie can't stomach. Betty Karlson May 2016 #98
This OP is definitive of the Amnesty All Stars, here only because the rules were changed with the Bluenorthwest May 2016 #113
update to warn Dems that they're playing with fire given Zogby ericson00 May 2016 #116
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