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Hortensis

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236. The irony is that they're sort of forced to
Sat May 21, 2016, 03:55 AM
May 2016

grab for a well known hero FDR, who actually showed most of the Bernie types the door back then because he had every intention of protecting the "establishment" at all levels of society from anything like "revolution." He was the very definition of an old-money establishment figure with a bone-deep elitist conceit.

Btw, Bettyellen, his record on Jews is also absolutely terrible. Sure, Hitler's use of the Wehrmacht to help out the Holocaust was a real advantage to us militarily, and no doubt helped save many American servicemen's lives, but as is best known he never bombed a single railroad track to slow those trains down. Jewish groups begged and begged for years for any help at all. At one point he told one of their leaders they should be grateful to be allowed to live in the U.S. (American citizens!)

Ardent SBSers, the hero you need may be Henry Wallace, although there were other activists even farther left. He was FDR's VP 1940-44, but (fortunately, unfortunately?) FDR was not sympathetic enough to his stronger version of progressivism, which made FDR's look downright squishy and staid. In 1944, the large conservative wings of the party were strongly opposed to Wallace, and there were other Wallace issues, so FDR did not support him in his run against far more conservative Harry Truman. Truman of course won the VP slot on the ticket, Wallace ran for president as the Progressive Party candidate against FDR and lost, and then FDR died shortly after being sworn in (without meeting even once with Truman to try to prepare him).

I'm a Truman admirer, actually, but that Wallace never served as president at some point may well be an American tragedy. He was quite a guy, and also a civil rights activist long before white politicians would see any advantage to having their pictures taken with black leaders. He did break with progressives to support the Korean War though...

The American fascist would prefer not to use violence. His method is to poison the channels of public information.

A liberal knows that the only certainty in this life is change but believes that the change can be directed toward a constructive end. -- Henry Wallace

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Clinton fury with Sanders grows [View all] GeorgiaPeanuts May 2016 OP
Well she has only herself to blame. Jester Messiah May 2016 #1
^^That^^ onecaliberal May 2016 #3
No way Demsrule86 May 2016 #11
+100. i'm really starting to think that. n/t. okieinpain May 2016 #25
Oh, ffs. Primary challengers are not spoilers. As far as character, Hillary has polled as merrily May 2016 #56
Thank you for pointing this out! Needs to be repeated over and over. InAbLuEsTaTe May 2016 #237
You're welcome, but I am not sure pointing it out makes the least bit of difference. merrily May 2016 #245
The spoiler would be running as a third party candidate in the general election. jeff47 May 2016 #81
No.... seekthetruth May 2016 #94
Don't blame him timmymoff May 2016 #131
^^THIS^^ InAbLuEsTaTe May 2016 #238
And praise Nancy Reagan! Betty Karlson May 2016 #244
The real spoiler is the FBI pinebox May 2016 #136
^^this^^ panader0 May 2016 #142
+1,000,000!!! Her greed got her into this mess... Yurovsky May 2016 #155
it may be Rosa Luxemburg May 2016 #281
Sorry not sorry for ruining your coronation. frylock May 2016 #171
Why are you blaming him? Fawke Em May 2016 #173
Heh. Hard to feel guilty, enit? Mike__M May 2016 #187
This story must be meant for rallying the echo chamber. RichVRichV May 2016 #194
This!!!! Silver_Witch May 2016 #228
It's called "blame the messenger"... too bad everyone can see through the fake outrage. InAbLuEsTaTe May 2016 #239
What proposterous bullshit. I'm so sick and goddamn tired of hearing this crap. liberalnarb May 2016 #206
He is no longer running Demsrule86 May 2016 #273
It all depends on California. liberalnarb May 2016 #274
Given networks ceased exit polling .... Jackilope May 2016 #276
Hillary did not withdraw from the election until after the final primary. Silver_Witch May 2016 #227
I hope he does Demsrule86 May 2016 #272
Yep. HooptieWagon May 2016 #82
Exactly right. Hillary's behavior shows she is unfit for the office BlueStreak May 2016 #106
Yes the Gestapo tactics of de-certifying Bernie delegates is disgusting ... Yurovsky May 2016 #157
Not just disgusting and heavy handed -- but mainly just stoooooopid BlueStreak May 2016 #204
Agreed... She needs every Bernie vote she can get... Yurovsky May 2016 #210
It is the sickness of "political science" BlueStreak May 2016 #212
Yep 840high May 2016 #168
Agree - given the crap that her people and DWS have pulled Ferd Berfel May 2016 #251
Yes, you nailed it... tex-wyo-dem May 2016 #267
The Nominee... onehandle May 2016 #2
Nope. bvf May 2016 #14
Is the the same person? Fritz Walter May 2016 #80
Short memory Armstead May 2016 #98
That was then... This is now Fritz Walter May 2016 #161
yup. I will be doing phone banking tomorrow for Hillary in California. No need to waste time with still_one May 2016 #114
"No need to waste time..." dchill May 2016 #181
And yet you post! Silver_Witch May 2016 #229
So agree. Not that I see most of it now Hortensis May 2016 #231
Do me a favor... yuiyoshida May 2016 #255
The Indictee... frylock May 2016 #172
+1 *snort* dchill May 2016 #182
LMFAO! JRLeft May 2016 #4
You bet your ass. pangaia May 2016 #5
I recommend your post. JRLeft May 2016 #15
+10 dchill May 2016 #183
Over? Maybe not. But there is some chubby lady warming up her vocal chords. tonyt53 May 2016 #6
Oh, no doubt Hillary will be doing some singing. frylock May 2016 #174
I don't hate anyone. cwydro May 2016 #7
The DNC is corrupt, plus she said Bernie isn't a Democrat she should unify the party herself. JRLeft May 2016 #12
Do you understand what ""welcome hatred" really means? pangaia May 2016 #23
As in Jesus on a cross jeepers May 2016 #188
+1 okieinpain May 2016 #27
Yeah, FDR was so wrong for living his life that way. jeff47 May 2016 #38
You do know that it was FDR who famously said that. grasswire May 2016 #40
Sanders has nothing at all in common with FDR. cwydro May 2016 #159
And how would you know that? pdsimdars May 2016 #163
FDR's second bill of rights include RichVRichV May 2016 #196
*crickets* vintx May 2016 #224
Bernie Sanders is the closest we've come to FDR senz May 2016 #216
;-) ReRe May 2016 #230
Take the blinders off passiveporcupine May 2016 #252
Twenty years from now, when historians are writing about the end of the Democratic Party... Ikonoklast May 2016 #164
how poetic Fairgo May 2016 #179
Got a link where she says that? Zorro May 2016 #185
"That's what they offered" Fumesucker May 2016 #205
Sooooo....she never said "I welcome their money"? Zorro May 2016 #209
No one is saying she said that passiveporcupine May 2016 #254
It was a joke arikara May 2016 #217
I hate some people Codeine May 2016 #54
+1 ! Surya Gayatri May 2016 #137
I only felt that way about JFK, but I was 6-8 at the time so I at least have an excuse for having kerry-is-my-prez May 2016 #146
Back in 1960, I was still in thrall to my RW parents and was nominally "for" Surya Gayatri May 2016 #152
Had a rabidly Republican family too but I was a rebel. Hated Nixon but I did vote for Reagan. Yuk... kerry-is-my-prez May 2016 #208
It's a cliche lifted from a Reddit post lifted from a movie or Orwell novel. It V for Vendetta and bettyellen May 2016 #64
Learn your Democratic Herstory. I an independent know more about it than you... GeorgiaPeanuts May 2016 #71
Wow- you are stalking me now, and sending memes. This is what they call campaigning these days? bettyellen May 2016 #75
You posted in my OP and I'm the one doing the stalking.... GeorgiaPeanuts May 2016 #85
I was replying to someone else, but thanks for the interest! And yeah I find the constant vacuous bettyellen May 2016 #91
FDR is the reason we had a middle class.... GeorgiaPeanuts May 2016 #97
A middle class for men who lack melanin. Not for women, not for POC. And I get that does not bettyellen May 2016 #112
A middle class that was largely lacking before I guess incremental change is only good in the 1990's That Guy 888 May 2016 #134
Uh your revisionism is astounding. pinebox May 2016 #141
Hilarious how many people miss well-aimed irony swag May 2016 #170
Incremental change for thee, but not for me...... bettyellen May 2016 #190
The irony is that they're sort of forced to Hortensis May 2016 #236
A-friggin'-men! Surya Gayatri May 2016 #143
it's not that different than gamer gate bullshit at this point. bettyellen May 2016 #147
"Gamer gate bullshit", indeed. Exactly the same enraged swarm mentality. Surya Gayatri May 2016 #153
I think you can only see it from the outside. Guess that's why they call it blind rage. bettyellen May 2016 #156
Deaf to reason, blind to math... Surya Gayatri May 2016 #158
I wish you would make this an OP in GDP, in both Hill and 7wo7rees May 2016 #125
FDR's counterpart is HILLARY CLINTON, tho. Hortensis May 2016 #234
MOST Democrats know what it is, Bettyellen. grasswire May 2016 #76
Most Democrats know FDR was as flawed as any other politician. He did good for the white man though! bettyellen May 2016 #79
Which character did he play in V for Vendetta? (nt) jeff47 May 2016 #83
You did not know this IMPORTANT part of Democratic history. grasswire May 2016 #89
Just like many here- this is all tit for tat- small minded bullshit for you. SBS admitted same when bettyellen May 2016 #95
THE WOMAN HURT HIS FEELINGS?? grasswire May 2016 #101
Yes, he has made some very petty remarks, and then walked them back. He is too easily baited to bettyellen May 2016 #117
no hope grasswire May 2016 #122
I agree, so many here are blinded by hate. sad for them. bettyellen May 2016 #145
Wow. You are the living embodiment of identity politics. Which is the reason this party is dying. vintx May 2016 #225
I don't know...I guess I've heard of some black recipients of Social Security jonestonesusa May 2016 #282
Get a room, you two! kerry-is-my-prez May 2016 #150
But what you do support is more seekthetruth May 2016 #107
So well said...agree 100%. Surya Gayatri May 2016 #139
So what policies of Clinton swung you over to her? The TPP, the fracking, the pipeline, the wars? pdsimdars May 2016 #162
+1. Trump wouldn't allow hesitation, or erase doubt. Hortensis May 2016 #232
Based on what I've seen here from Hill camp passiveporcupine May 2016 #250
Was that just an admission that Clinton and Co. are unable to multitask? notadmblnd May 2016 #8
Or can't take the heat? Or are presumptuous? BillZBubb May 2016 #55
Certainly not a good thing if you want to run the country. pdsimdars May 2016 #165
Hillary wants Bernie to unify the party even though she said he's not a real democrat. JRLeft May 2016 #9
Great point. bvf May 2016 #17
If he told the party they're on their own I would be weak. JRLeft May 2016 #43
That's the way abusive relationships work, not normal people. pdsimdars May 2016 #166
Bernie will endorse Hillary before the convention redstateblues May 2016 #18
I posted a thread saying that. Keep trying. JRLeft May 2016 #22
So what? jeff47 May 2016 #36
Yeah, I agree. Sanders supporters are not backing Sanders....... socialist_n_TN May 2016 #70
It's really sad how they don't seem to be able to grasp that. nt vintx May 2016 #226
I recommend YOUR post. pangaia May 2016 #24
Hillary's message changes with the circumstances. BillZBubb May 2016 #59
Right, all of sudden he's Democrat. Shocking! Not JRLeft May 2016 #65
Exactly "Yo! Irrelevant loser infiltrator! It's the job of your gullible fanboys to unify my party!" lumberjack_jeff May 2016 #69
It's obviously Sanders's fault bvf May 2016 #10
Not really all that figurative. frylock May 2016 #175
They completely fail to grasp what has happened here. Third Way is done. yourpaljoey May 2016 #13
What has happened here is that Bernie lost redstateblues May 2016 #20
No. He has not lost, and he is not having a hard time dealing with anything. pangaia May 2016 #28
He's lost. Time for you and him to wrap your brains around the math. brush May 2016 #102
I welcome the insult. pangaia May 2016 #108
Reality is now an insult? brush May 2016 #124
Keep repeating what Bernie said "We have a path to the nomination" over and over redstateblues May 2016 #103
Bernie is not creating false hope to keep the money rolling in. pangaia May 2016 #113
In hisrorical perspective . ... . pdsimdars May 2016 #167
This message was self-deleted by its author NowSam May 2016 #16
Exactly, and THAT is what "they" really hate him for. pangaia May 2016 #30
Agree CountAllVotes May 2016 #90
Guess she shouldn't have cheated her way to the "top." GreenPartyVoter May 2016 #19
she is ahead of Bernie by 3,000,000 votes redstateblues May 2016 #26
In the primary. This OP is talking about the general election. jeff47 May 2016 #32
The Rs would only have to loop Video of Bernie promising to raise taxes redstateblues May 2016 #44
And the R's will only have to loop the video of Clinton lying for 15 minutes. jeff47 May 2016 #48
Sorry. Running on raising taxes on the middle class is a loser. Political suicide redstateblues May 2016 #84
Hrm...if only there was other things to run on jeff47 May 2016 #87
I'm sure the Repugs will include that in their attack ad redstateblues May 2016 #110
You mean like all the candidates who lost in 2014, 2012, 2010, 2008.... jeff47 May 2016 #120
Woah! October surprises about the Clinton Foundation? Divernan May 2016 #119
You don't need to worry about finding something that's true. jeff47 May 2016 #129
Uh oh. n/t bvf May 2016 #189
From what I understand, the FBI investigation has... tex-wyo-dem May 2016 #268
CF gifts $2 Mil. to company of Bill's Energizer "friend" Divernan May 2016 #269
Bernie is winning this. pangaia May 2016 #35
I don't believe those numbers anymore. Mostly lies, I would bet. reformist2 May 2016 #154
That might've been a thought, yes. Waiting For Everyman May 2016 #109
The complete lack of remorse is disturbing. nt Zorra May 2016 #132
I am getting so disgusted at the Nixonian behavior of the HRC camp that I'm on the verge Larkspur May 2016 #21
The sense of entitlement of the losing side is amazing redstateblues May 2016 #37
I don't understand this "entitlement" meme. panader0 May 2016 #148
HRC contributes to her own poor public image Larkspur May 2016 #271
Huh...maybe a strategy of "you are all racist, sexist, deluded idiots" was not the best plan jeff47 May 2016 #29
this quote sums the whole deal up for me. okieinpain May 2016 #31
When you sow the wind, you reap the whirlwind. DookDook May 2016 #33
get her message out? Merryland May 2016 #53
"I'm not a Republican" DookDook May 2016 #88
don't forget labelling young women Bernie supporters as "boy crazy" WolverineDG May 2016 #128
She should run a less sleazy campaign next time. Vattel May 2016 #34
An honest question for Bernie supporters: CrowCityDem May 2016 #39
and why should it be walked back? grasswire May 2016 #47
Why? Because Bernie himself says he'll do "everything in my power" to stop Trump. CrowCityDem May 2016 #67
he's doing exactly that right now. grasswire May 2016 #72
She can't AgerolanAmerican May 2016 #50
This is a tricky one.... JPnoodleman May 2016 #74
First, I would recommend NOT doing what they did in Nevada. lumberjack_jeff May 2016 #77
That's expecting him to lie about what we all know is true, Waiting For Everyman May 2016 #126
I've said that the DNC handed the election to Clinton on a platter for a lot longer than a month. That Guy 888 May 2016 #135
Its not up to Bernie to do her job for her IF she gets nominated. arikara May 2016 #218
So why was unity Clinton's job when she lost, and when she won? Sexism? CrowCityDem May 2016 #246
. mmonk May 2016 #41
haters gonna hate AgerolanAmerican May 2016 #42
It's her own fault arikara May 2016 #45
Who gives a flying fuck if Hillary throws a tantrum ThePhilosopher04 May 2016 #46
yeah, she's back to the victim status grasswire May 2016 #49
Never left her apparently. ThePhilosopher04 May 2016 #51
Yeah this DID (Damsel in Distress) gets old trudyco May 2016 #62
she can't even debate in (Latino-heavy) CA MisterP May 2016 #149
How dare he interrupt the coronation! BillZBubb May 2016 #52
They are clueless as always BernieforPres2016 May 2016 #57
Ah, poor Queen Hilary... TheProgressive May 2016 #58
She is solely responsible for any alienation. CharlotteVale May 2016 #60
"We welcome their hatred." WTF? What a misguided bit of unoriginal DRAMA. Go hate elsewhere. bettyellen May 2016 #61
Um, honey, FDR said that quote... GeorgiaPeanuts May 2016 #63
He lifted the white man out of poverty leaving everyone else behind, pulled us into the biggest war bettyellen May 2016 #73
deflection nt grasswire May 2016 #93
FDR? You might as well accept, he was not perfect either. None are. bettyellen May 2016 #99
He was never investigated by the FBI. nt grasswire May 2016 #104
that's about all that one has... Raster May 2016 #130
So WWII was something we should have stayed out of? Rex May 2016 #191
Nope, but I think SBS would disapprove of getting involved if it happened today. Absolutely I do. bettyellen May 2016 #200
Okay I get ya now, thanks. Rex May 2016 #201
It's amazing that people would so willingly flaunt their ignorance. frylock May 2016 #178
so now FDR is a B movie/Orwell novel? grasswire May 2016 #68
I don't even understand the Orwell reference. frylock May 2016 #184
Its about time the DNC had to reckon with the Left. JPnoodleman May 2016 #66
Sanders has lost and the fury is coming from more than Hillary.. beachbumbob May 2016 #78
"We all know that Bobby Kennedy was assassinated in June in California" Fumesucker May 2016 #235
Sweet Jezuz Buzz cook May 2016 #240
Interesting that I belong to a "tribal group" and you do not Fumesucker May 2016 #242
Trifecta, I win. nt Buzz cook May 2016 #248
''Clinton fury with Sanders grows'' Shadowflash May 2016 #86
everybody duck! nt grasswire May 2016 #96
Everybody run! Maedhros May 2016 #121
Not sure I want hatred from them.... seekthetruth May 2016 #92
What Sanders is doing is NOTHING compared to what the GOP and Trump are going to do. hollowdweller May 2016 #100
yeah grasswire May 2016 #127
Yep, and this is me when that happens.. frylock May 2016 #186
Seethe away! You bought it. 7wo7rees May 2016 #105
They should change that from MuseRider May 2016 #111
Bernie has done nothing to alienate me from LibDemAlways May 2016 #115
Putting NAFTA Willie in charge of US Trade is remarkably tone-deaf. More "Dem" Job Killing... NewImproved Deal May 2016 #116
Her continued nastiness is alienating many of us.. HughLefty1 May 2016 #118
Well isn't that too SheilaT May 2016 #123
Or, as Obama put it to Romney . . . "Proceed." pdsimdars May 2016 #169
here is something from one of the 'new' Democrats (apparently) downthread: islandmkl May 2016 #133
no this is NOT the "worst-case scenario"... yet 0rganism May 2016 #138
Bernie didn't alienate us from her Third Doctor May 2016 #140
It does seem like a worst case scenario for the Hillary camp. KPN May 2016 #144
The MSM is foaming at the mouth nest May 2016 #151
Not that I've heard Buzz cook May 2016 #241
Let them short out felix_numinous May 2016 #160
Aww poor Hillary........that bad Bernie...let's see your transcripts and your tax havens bkkyosemite May 2016 #176
Clinton doesn't need supporters Aerows May 2016 #177
It's tough for her to keep lying when her primary opponent insists on truth-telling. AtomicKitten May 2016 #180
Fuck her fury. It's the sense of challenged entitlement. cherokeeprogressive May 2016 #192
"I will be the nominee for my Party, Chris,"...There's No Way I Won't Be! KoKo May 2016 #249
We are behaving like Republicans. nruthie May 2016 #193
I would respectfully disagree. DookDook May 2016 #197
Really? If they toed the party line Jeb Bush would be their nominee and immigration reform Akicita May 2016 #219
Sanders having lost leaves him furious. Difference being he is reactive and explosive and Clinton seabeyond May 2016 #195
Presidential, just like Nixon & Bush TheSarcastinator May 2016 #199
What a nasty post. seabeyond May 2016 #203
Yes, yours was...nt tex-wyo-dem May 2016 #270
Hillarians Continue Their Entitled Temper Tantrum TheSarcastinator May 2016 #198
Bite me, Hillary AZ Progressive May 2016 #202
This is disgusting. barrow-wight May 2016 #207
He isn't scorching the earth Trajan May 2016 #211
Clearly that's your narrative. barrow-wight May 2016 #214
Yeah, Brock and DWS and Rahm Emmanuel will dig into their rolodexes full of "leftist democrats" Warren DeMontague May 2016 #256
Time will tell, won't it? barrow-wight May 2016 #257
I'm sure he's terrified. Warren DeMontague May 2016 #258
I personally hope he stays in the Senate. barrow-wight May 2016 #259
Oh i am sure. Especially the next time we have a tie and by caucusing with us Warren DeMontague May 2016 #260
What choice does he have? Voting with Republicans? barrow-wight May 2016 #261
The man is 74. He's up again in what, '18? And if reelected, he's 82 when he has to face the VT Warren DeMontague May 2016 #263
We shall see. barrow-wight May 2016 #264
Yeah, maybe he'll lose his primary. Warren DeMontague May 2016 #265
Into every life a little rain must fall, I guess. barrow-wight May 2016 #266
The more arrogant HRC, DWS and her supporters become, the more I support Bernie KauaiK May 2016 #213
Thank you. My feelings precisely. And writing him in is what I've decided to do . snowy owl May 2016 #222
To the reporter who wrote that piece nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #215
Well, too bad. I'll remind them that this is "part of the process". :P southerncrone May 2016 #220
She did same with Obama. What doesn't she get about that? Is the Presidential material? snowy owl May 2016 #221
Agreed, she refused to bow out and claimed some nasty crap about assassination, hence the reason for akbacchus_BC May 2016 #223
LOL @ "worst case scenario." She's winning. nt ucrdem May 2016 #233
"It's my turn I want it I want it I want it!!!! Whaaaaaaaaah!" -- HRC, 2016. eom Betty Karlson May 2016 #243
Anytime ........ anywhere. polly7 May 2016 #247
I've said many times I believe Clinton a weak candidate. PatrickforO May 2016 #253
I have plenty of ire to direct Hillary Clinton's way. Aerows May 2016 #262
Wait till after her "interview" with the FBI, she'll REALLY be mad then. pdsimdars May 2016 #275
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I saw the whole interview DesertRat May 2016 #279
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What's good for the goose is good for the gander democrattotheend May 2016 #278
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