2016 Postmortem

Betty Karlson

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103. "he might even win Vermont" - where did I hear that before?

Reply to ucrdem (Reply #92)

Sat May 21, 2016, 04:20 AM

May 2016

Oh right: just before he derailed one coronation attempt after the next.

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If Sanders runs 3rd party, Clinton wins. Here's why: [View all] ucrdem May 2016 OP

Wouldn't it be nice to be able to predict the future with accuracy? uppityperson May 2016 #1

Keep telling yourself that. BillZBubb May 2016 #2

Sanders in not going to run third party Ash_F May 2016 #3

he might 6chars May 2016 #4

Yep. ucrdem May 2016 #8

Solid record of achievement. Thorough, complete issue development senz May 2016 #49

AGREED SUCH HUBRIS... The BEST Candidate of The THREE Would Be By A Large Margin Bernie Sanders CorporatistNation May 2016 #125

"Letting him on the stage"? Armstead May 2016 #77

No he won't. He's made that clear. morningfog May 2016 #13

Yes he has. ucrdem May 2016 #18

No it doesn't. He would have to start last month getting on ballots. morningfog May 2016 #20

Baseless, yes, but let's be clear: Sanders no longer presents a threat to Dems in November. ucrdem May 2016 #22

Same possibility as Hillary shaving her head and leaving the race to join the Hare Krishna, sure. Scootaloo May 2016 #27

LOL, now THAT might affect the outcome in November. nt ucrdem May 2016 #30

I so wish she would. Autumn May 2016 #51

I'm glad he won't. It's not in the long term interests of a big tent party to not try to unite. ancianita May 2016 #61

Bernie will never rush to join the Hare Krishna. Autumn May 2016 #68

Yeah, just what we need senz May 2016 #67

My friend, I bow to your delightful wisdom Autumn May 2016 #71

ty Autumn senz May 2016 #80

Tell Clinton the sixteenth largest voting bloc are Hare Krishna members Rattlesnake Chaser May 2016 #143

Yeah, four terms as mayor, then 25 years in the House and Senate. senz May 2016 #48

Yeah. And pigs might fly out of my butt. cherokeeprogressive May 2016 #83

But he's always got that in his back pocket. ucrdem May 2016 #5

He rejected it from the get-go. senz May 2016 #73

It was never a bargaining chip! Silver_Witch May 2016 #130

Yes republican turnout has been ahead of Democrats Andy823 May 2016 #16

Correct. Fawke Em May 2016 #39

not really DLCWIdem May 2016 #113

And she'll ride to the coronation on her unicorn and give free Skittles to everyone AgerolanAmerican May 2016 #6

It wouldn't help, no, but at this point the Bernie rump is not going to be all that helpful anyway. ucrdem May 2016 #9

You FINALLY found a scenario where Clinton wins! arcane1 May 2016 #7

After California and NJ get through voting ucrdem May 2016 #11

Absolutely. If Clinton runs against Trump, she wins. If Clinton runs against Sanders and Trump, seabeyond May 2016 #10

There's no doubt that Trump is taking cues from Sanders. ucrdem May 2016 #15

You need votes to win. Scootaloo May 2016 #36

Over 80% of Sanders People will comfortably vote for Clinton. Nt seabeyond May 2016 #40

Wouldn't hurt for her to make the effort to make sure and cement that. Scootaloo May 2016 #43

You know what? Not my place. Not Clinton's place. It is not enough for her to reach out. seabeyond May 2016 #84

It's Clinton's job to convince people to vote for her. Scootaloo May 2016 #86

I disagree. I do not think Clinton has done all the stuff you allot her. I think by her policies seabeyond May 2016 #89

I've yet to see you or any of her supporters enumerate her policies. Scootaloo May 2016 #90

Clintons policies are not one liners, or two words, like free college, free healthcare. seabeyond May 2016 #91

And see, right there Scootaloo May 2016 #98

Really? Silver_Witch May 2016 #131

Some are going to listen. Most of the PUMA 2016 will not listen for any reason. seabeyond May 2016 #134

Sorry I am listening carefully! Silver_Witch May 2016 #135

If you look at all the things she has discussed, you would see a progressive agenda. If you do not seabeyond May 2016 #137

Thanks for the judgement .! Silver_Witch May 2016 #139

And, this is exactly why people are not going to bother. seabeyond May 2016 #140

Because you have. No defense of Hillary's War mongering! Silver_Witch May 2016 #142

If Sanders run 3rd Party he'll get my vote. Tierra_y_Libertad May 2016 #12

Sanders isn't running 3rd party. Hillary wouldn't win if he did but he's NOT RUNNING AS A 3rd PARTY! Attorney in Texas May 2016 #14

Of course he's not. And of course he'd lose again if he did. But so would Trump. ucrdem May 2016 #17

It's all acedemic because he won't run third party. morningfog May 2016 #19

He doesn't take half Dems in a 3-party race. ucrdem May 2016 #21

It's not going to happen, but I would be interested in seeing three-way polling. morningfog May 2016 #23

You're right, it isn't going to happen. nt ucrdem May 2016 #25

New voters don't favor Dems when Clinton sits on top of the ticket. Not with Bernie still an option. Betty Karlson May 2016 #24

Hard to say but conservatively they split. If they were already R they'll stay R of course. nt ucrdem May 2016 #26

Nope. Sanders has cross-over appeal in that age bracket. Betty Karlson May 2016 #28

He's pitching to them but then would they have voted in November anyway? ucrdem May 2016 #31

Nope: if he is on the ticket, they will come out to vote. Betty Karlson May 2016 #87

Yes, they'd vote for Bernie, and he might even win Vermont. ucrdem May 2016 #92

"he might even win Vermont" - where did I hear that before? Betty Karlson May 2016 #103

72% of Sanders supporters are already indicating that they'll vote for Clinton in November. TwilightZone May 2016 #97

That's only his Democratic supporters. His independent supporters show detest Clinton Betty Karlson May 2016 #102

Here is a three-way map to play with: morningfog May 2016 #29

And the winner is . . . ucrdem May 2016 #62

I had a hard time even coming to conclusions in most states. morningfog May 2016 #69

I'm a Bernie supporter but I think that map is probably damn accurate. n/t davidlynch May 2016 #100

Thank you! ucrdem May 2016 #106

No way does he get Virginia not with the AA pop there DLCWIdem May 2016 #114

Funny ablamj May 2016 #111

fantasy island DLCWIdem May 2016 #115

Wow, delusional. Must be the Clinton meth. HooptieWagon May 2016 #133

A lot of Rs in my area do NOT like Trump and they hate Clinton. Go figure. At this point, Hiraeth May 2016 #32

Bernie would doubtless get a substantial turnout, maybe some electoral votes, ucrdem May 2016 #33

He won't. This is ludicrous conspiracy theory junk from hill fans cali May 2016 #34

Of course he won't. But the pitch isn't coming from us. nt ucrdem May 2016 #35

Hill fans aren't the ones suggesting he run third-party. Look around. TwilightZone May 2016 #46

Hey, did you say "bring it on?" So you WANT rateyes May 2016 #37

To clarify, I mean "bring it on if you insist." No, I'm not endorsing it. ucrdem May 2016 #38

did you take into account where he can't get on the ballot because of sore loser laws DLCWIdem May 2016 #116

No just filing deadlines which are through this summer with one in early September. ucrdem May 2016 #120

Of course you are endorsing it. Silver_Witch May 2016 #138

Cool. Then nobody should take issue if he does it. Joe the Revelator May 2016 #41

Translation: some Hill Folk fear a 3rd party run. senz May 2016 #42

I was worried about a Bernie run, but she soldiered on through. ucrdem May 2016 #45

Brockian dirty tricks and election theft is now "soldiering on through?" senz May 2016 #52

Another way of expressing it would be to say she's winning, ucrdem May 2016 #56

Oh I love it! Pity pity cry cry / chortle chortle brag brag. senz May 2016 #63

He won't. Also, Independents don't split or go Trump. CBS's poll shows Hillary up 51/33 with Is TwilightZone May 2016 #44

Yes, I agree completely. ucrdem May 2016 #47

It's not happening so you can stop with this devisive bullshit, trying to scare people. TheBlackAdder May 2016 #50

If it isn't happening there's nothing to be afraid of. And no, it isn't happening. nt ucrdem May 2016 #53

It's not happening, not "If it isn't..." No other reason to say that besides stirring the pot! TheBlackAdder May 2016 #66

Exact same words. ucrdem May 2016 #70

You know. Playing coy or ignorant doesn't work. TheBlackAdder May 2016 #75

It isn't going to happen. Can we agree on that at least? ucrdem May 2016 #82

If you don't think this will happen why did you write the OP? St Aug girl May 2016 #78

Because there might be some who would like it to. The point is that it wouldn't matter. nt ucrdem May 2016 #79

Even though the republicans are running a fascist know-nothing clown, he The_Casual_Observer May 2016 #54

Must be Clinton Meth. HooptieWagon May 2016 #55

You left out the most important factor - by November most Bernie-ites will have lost interest tonyt53 May 2016 #57

Sorry, but he's not going to run 3rd party. n/t PoliticAverse May 2016 #58

re: "It might be harder but she still wins." thesquanderer May 2016 #59

My concern is she "wins," but not with a majority of voters. I think it goes to Congress then and Hoyt May 2016 #60

I get a big win for Clinton on this electoral map: ucrdem May 2016 #65

I hope you are right. Hoyt May 2016 #72

I think Bill got less than 50% of voters in 92 ucrdem May 2016 #81

Yep, he did, but Perot was in the race. TwilightZone May 2016 #95

Huh, that's interesting. TwilightZone May 2016 #96

She doesn't need a majority. Popular vote doesn't elect the president. TwilightZone May 2016 #94

I think I see what you're getting at now. Here's what happens if she doesn't get 270 EVs: ucrdem May 2016 #108

And if aliens shaped like giant neck pillows invade Earth and kill us all, it wont matter. Warren DeMontague May 2016 #64

Message auto-removed Name removed May 2016 #74

Sanders will not run third way nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #76

I doubt very highly that he will run third party. barrow-wight May 2016 #85

There is no scenario where Hillary becomes president. DesMoinesDem May 2016 #88

Here's one to consider: ucrdem May 2016 #93

you are outa yer mind. lol. wheres the sarcasm tag? BootinUp May 2016 #99

"...OK," said Patrick doubtfully. His head tilted a bit, and a crease formed between his eyebrows. PatrickforO May 2016 #101

Sanders and Trump are after the same voting block nt Tavarious Jackson May 2016 #104

That's it in a nutshell. ucrdem May 2016 #105

I agree. Tavarious Jackson May 2016 #107

Exactly. ucrdem May 2016 #109

Lol Tavarious Jackson May 2016 #110

Question why wouldn't she take Virginia she won it in the primary extensive AA pop? DLCWIdem May 2016 #117

You know that's a good point. Lets give her Virginia ucrdem May 2016 #119

She would win WA, ME and RI? SheenaR May 2016 #112

Fine, give all three to Bernie and she still wins with over 270: ucrdem May 2016 #118

Perhaps you missed where I said SheenaR May 2016 #124

Not enough time left to get on the ballot PDittie May 2016 #121

I disagree and don't lose sleep over what might be. He has no intention of doing that. Vinca May 2016 #122

There will be no third party.... yuiyoshida May 2016 #123

I'm so glad Bernie is smarter than that. n/t CanonRay May 2016 #126

What if Martians attack? And Hillary turns out to be a robot? TheFarseer May 2016 #127

More crazy hyperbole! Silver_Witch May 2016 #128

Are you trying to bum out BS supporters?... dubyadiprecession May 2016 #129

So you support Sanders running as a third party in the GE? HooptieWagon May 2016 #132

Looks like someone needs a basic understanding of the Electoral College shawn703 May 2016 #136

Look out, some could see this advocating for a 3rd party candidate. aikoaiko May 2016 #141