2016 Postmortem

hrmjustin

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31. It is the will of the primary voters for Hillary to be the nominee.

Mon May 23, 2016, 11:41 AM

May 2016

Anyone who denies that is deluding themselves and anyone that wants to overrule the voters and put in Sanders does not believe in democracy.

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Democracy is OK if the votes go MY WAY. [View all] MineralMan May 2016 OP

The supers will follow the pledged delegates. stone space May 2016 #1

Well, they always have done so. MineralMan May 2016 #7

Which years did two candidates proceed to the convention, neither having secured a total majority morningfog May 2016 #53

2008. Neither candidate had enough delegates without the super delegates MineralMan May 2016 #55

STRIIIIIIKE ONE! Hillary conceded before the convention. morningfog May 2016 #56

Ah, OK. Keep in mind that Bernie might do exactly the same MineralMan May 2016 #62

He might. We'll see. Point being there is no precedent for what could happen at this convention. morningfog May 2016 #72

Yes, we'll see. MineralMan May 2016 #73

You're not an umpire anigbrowl May 2016 #100

He made a claim which was wrong and then doubled down. morningfog May 2016 #112

"they always have done so." panader0 May 2016 #64

Al Franken is an individual. stone space May 2016 #97

But not the will of his own state voters. Not cool. panader0 May 2016 #98

And why is that not cool? anigbrowl May 2016 #101

Yep! They will create rules that change if they don't win. LiberalFighter May 2016 #106

Why does it matter what individual supers do? stone space May 2016 #103

He will vote for the candidate with a majority MineralMan May 2016 #99

Plus the fact Minnesota used a caucus system which doesn't encourage full participation. LiberalFighter May 2016 #108

Exactly. In 2020, too, Minnesota will have a primary election, MineralMan May 2016 #114

If it was clear from the start, why didn't they wait until the pledged delegates were in to endorse? Matt_in_STL May 2016 #33

We aren't talking about endorsements, here. stone space May 2016 #46

Don't Muddy Things With Pesky Facts pmorlan1 May 2016 #57

Because they are not required to do that. MineralMan May 2016 #70

'Maybe someone can explain that for me'... HumanityExperiment May 2016 #2

Actually it is a very reasonable question to ask. tonyt53 May 2016 #3

No, it's not... HumanityExperiment May 2016 #6

So you're actually suggesting that the rules of the party be changed for Sanders brush May 2016 #34

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I'm not stuck on the super delegate system. If he wins, change it. brush May 2016 #43

pivot, pivot, pivot... HumanityExperiment May 2016 #44

Stating that super delegate system pre-dates both candidates is not saying I'm a proponent of it brush May 2016 #47

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Please stop repeating the nonsense that Sanders wins open primaries mythology May 2016 #78

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I actually am looking for an explanation. Do you have one? MineralMan May 2016 #10

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Chill with the troll accusations, dude. moriah May 2016 #60

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Mineral Man has been here long enough to deserve the respect of not attacking him... moriah May 2016 #59

respect... HumanityExperiment May 2016 #65

Okay, I'll make it a little more clear. moriah May 2016 #67

Ahh, perception... HumanityExperiment May 2016 #69

Well, if you can't be civil, you'll be gone by July. moriah May 2016 #75

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The only troll I will be after is the tangerine terror troll named Trump. Nt moriah May 2016 #80

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If I see you, or anyone, breaking the rules Skinner puts in place then, yes, I'll alert. moriah May 2016 #85

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Why not ask the people who post such things in those threads? aikoaiko May 2016 #4

Because I wanted the question to be its own thread. MineralMan May 2016 #8

Hey, you're the one who claims to be looking for answer. I pointed you to the best place to get it. aikoaiko May 2016 #32

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that is so much bs rbrnmw May 2016 #9

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The "revolutionaries" you are counting on can't even bother to vote. lunamagica May 2016 #20

No we aren't rbrnmw May 2016 #21

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Oh I think I have had my say I voted rbrnmw May 2016 #24

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What is that suppose to mean? rbrnmw May 2016 #30

No, it is not a revolution. Witness the primaries and caucuses MineralMan May 2016 #13

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Sure that's gonna happen rbrnmw May 2016 #23

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'not a revolution'... HumanityExperiment May 2016 #26

"Broad appeal"? Really? hack89 May 2016 #77

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POC have overwhelmingly rejected him hack89 May 2016 #87

pivot, pivot, pivot... HumanityExperiment May 2016 #88

His core support is white men. hack89 May 2016 #89

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We know the facts. hack89 May 2016 #94

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It's not a revolution until you're in the streets with huge numbers and demands. Blue_Adept May 2016 #28

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Democracy fails when someone is stealing the election J_J_ May 2016 #11

That is your claim. MineralMan May 2016 #14

When they stop cheating, we'll stop having a problem with it. AtomicKitten May 2016 #74

Which campaign was downloading another campaign's data again? anigbrowl May 2016 #102

Prediction: you will get more of the same, obfuscation, CT, Rigged!!! Hell, they get it BootinUp May 2016 #15

Consider who Sanders praises KingFlorez May 2016 #17

Will democracy be "OK" if Trump wins? Tierra_y_Libertad May 2016 #19

It's up to all of us to make sure he doesn't win. MineralMan May 2016 #41

But, your "simple" answer didn't answer the question. Tierra_y_Libertad May 2016 #50

I don't see an alternative, really. MineralMan May 2016 #54

It is the will of the primary voters for Hillary to be the nominee. hrmjustin May 2016 #31

We want to overrule the DNC shenanigans that resulted in this particular count of votes. Jester Messiah May 2016 #36

That is just rhetoric. hrmjustin May 2016 #40

You only get the bad ending if you win by cheating. n/t Jester Messiah May 2016 #45

And so you really believe that Hillary is so powerful and talented that she can... moriah May 2016 #83

You're a taxi driver and your fare has instructed you to drive off a bridge. Jester Messiah May 2016 #35

Is that one of those Revolutionary, logic optional syllogisms? LuvLoogie May 2016 #58

No single answer zipplewrath May 2016 #37

Thanks for the explanation. MineralMan May 2016 #42

You ignore all their points zipplewrath May 2016 #49

I ignore nothing. I do disagree with or dismiss their points, though. MineralMan May 2016 #71

And in the process... zipplewrath May 2016 #91

Interesting, perhaps one needs to actually check on what people actually say, rather than snipping. Xyzse May 2016 #51

I could see the pledged delegates voting for the person with few pledged delegates if it was close. MohRokTah May 2016 #52

Explanation: panader0 May 2016 #61

K&R mcar May 2016 #63

Democracy is fine either way. Doesn't mean the best candidate for America is chosen. ie - GW Bush EndElectoral May 2016 #66

I have not heard one good argument on why Sanders should get the nomination. anotherproletariat May 2016 #76

He has a better chance in the General? zipplewrath May 2016 #92

That's not a good argument, it's a speculative claim anigbrowl May 2016 #107

Independents zipplewrath May 2016 #110

Yeah sure anigbrowl May 2016 #111

I've not heard one good argument why Hillary should get the nomination! B Calm May 2016 #93

Votes and delegates. MineralMan May 2016 #95

The integrity of the system matters to people regardless of who wins or loses nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #96

Copy & Paste..er...Post. pangaia May 2016 #105

Unless Hillary has enough pledged delegates to win right now, it's a race. floriduck May 2016 #109

The primaries will run their course, and I have not MineralMan May 2016 #113