2016 Postmortem

kaleckim

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105. Amazing

Tue May 24, 2016, 01:39 AM

May 2016

that Hillary freaking Clinton, someone that used outright racist language in the past, called poor women on welfare deadbeats, and whose husband backed "welfare reform" (which she supported), prison privatization and harsh sentencing laws, gets to claim to be better than Sanders. Just amazing. He didn't discount freaking social issues, he just thinks that maybe after decades of stagnating wages, deindustrialization, an explosion in inequality and private debt, that it is time to actually prioritize economic issues and to battle the corporate interests backing your corrupt candidate. By the way, how exactly do you deal with structural racism if economics and class isn't front and center? Maybe you know more than King and the Civil Rights movement, since they put economics and class at the center of their struggle.

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To all the people who pushed Hillary on us even though she is less electable [View all] Cheese Sandwich May 2016 OP

ME TOO!!! Herman4747 May 2016 #1

The voters would disagree with you. LiberalFighter May 2016 #2

The media is a neoliberal propaganda machine Cheese Sandwich May 2016 #5

Translation: voters are idiots who can't think for themselves anigbrowl May 2016 #62

people need access to real information to make informed decisions Cheese Sandwich May 2016 #67

There's this thing called the internet... anigbrowl May 2016 #70

So, what "real information" did you use to arrive at your decision on a candidate? George II May 2016 #117

Post removed Post removed May 2016 #131

That was a bad hide. Why would progressives hide the horrors of a war she promoted? Android3.14 May 2016 #204

Clearly you know how to use a PC (to some extend). There is a wealth of information that doesn't insta8er May 2016 #186

Another lie put out by the Clinton campaign. Many eligible voters didn't vote rhett o rick May 2016 #21

It does get down to voter suppression. Closed primaries suppress votes. More of the same. snowy owl May 2016 #27

And caucus states! Arneoker May 2016 #111

I live in a caucus state Bettie May 2016 #123

Hillary won most of the open primaries oberliner May 2016 #207

Nobody in the history of politics has ever been shoved down our throats like HRC. reformist2 May 2016 #165

One big illusion, the Democratic Third Way Jackilope May 2016 #191

Yes, even though she lost the delegate race in Washington State Arneoker May 2016 #198

Who knew that was even happening. Did the computers vote for her (yet again)? reformist2 May 2016 #201

The opposite way of looking at it PATRICK May 2016 #203

Unless those voters were really for Senator Sanders and flipped in 60 seconds. bkkyosemite May 2016 #29

The voters in a bubble? Open the primaries and let people REALLY vote pinebox May 2016 #39

The voters didn't select her as a candidate. pangaia May 2016 #53

The voters? Does that include the 40+% of the electorate who are Independents and who... Peace Patriot May 2016 #82

Oh yes, we all know how much they just loathe Hilary and will stay home and not vote leftofcool May 2016 #133

Clinton's trustworthy and likability numbers are dismal. Peace Patriot May 2016 #139

This may be news to you, but Hillary ain't no Obama... Herman4747 May 2016 #153

Just like Sanders--you blame others. riversedge May 2016 #3

If Trump wins it's your fault for pushing the weaker candidate. Cheese Sandwich May 2016 #10

LOL. No, I do not accept your made up claim. Here is a better reason for Sanders losing.... riversedge May 2016 #14

Funny. He is most often compared to Warren who is very good on social issues. snowy owl May 2016 #30

The mental gymnastics Else You Are Mad May 2016 #60

Amazing kaleckim May 2016 #105

Actually it'll be Hillary Clinton's fault Scootaloo May 2016 #56

So who is the weaker candidate, as opposed to an analysis that doesn't just rely on Spring polls? Arneoker May 2016 #199

Nominate Mrs. Golden Slacks at your own peril harun May 2016 #127

We already have. leftofcool May 2016 #134

You will change your tune if she is indicted before the convention. harun May 2016 #140

It ain't over yet yourpaljoey May 2016 #4

Forced out by the FBI? murielm99 May 2016 #138

Bernie wouldn't be electable after the right wing got through vetting him. Arkansas Granny May 2016 #6

Enough with the "vetting" bullshit. Bernie's been called every name in the book for nearly 40 years ThePhilosopher04 May 2016 #19

Brock blog right there, FYI pinebox May 2016 #41

Links to any site where Bernie has been called names for 40 years. leftofcool May 2016 #135

Going into this election almost no one had even heard of him oberliner May 2016 #208

who the hell is Trevor LaFauci? grasswire May 2016 #57

The story that Hillary has been 'vetted' is BS. Else You Are Mad May 2016 #59

And you don't think the same would happen to Bernie if the right wing vetted him? Arkansas Granny May 2016 #66

I didn't say that. Else You Are Mad May 2016 #68

Meanwhile outside the bubble.... HillareeeHillaraah May 2016 #206

Flinging poop isn't vetting AgingAmerican May 2016 #72

So Hillary ablamj May 2016 #97

She did. wildeyed May 2016 #175

Voters voted for Clinton, she won, nothing to do with you. Quit denigrating voters. seabeyond May 2016 #7

She leads in this corrupt election system that favors the Corporate Wing of our Party. rhett o rick May 2016 #23

It isn't a corrupt election. It is sanders and supporters being poor loser with false accusations. seabeyond May 2016 #26

First of all our election system is corrupted as known around the world. Elections have been known rhett o rick May 2016 #36

Yes, the Republicans. Clinton, Obama, DOJ have been addressing for years, without a peep from Sander seabeyond May 2016 #42

Wow, you will make up just about anything to disparage Sen Sanders. rhett o rick May 2016 #71

Have they fixed absolutely everything? No. They have not. They have been throwing DOJ at these seabeyond May 2016 #94

AND... If you are fair, or if you are informed. You know this. seabeyond May 2016 #95

who would SoS Clinton appoint to the Supreme Court... Matt_R May 2016 #102

Let me make this an easier question... Matt_R May 2016 #104

Here Here! Very Well Said! Rockyj May 2016 #98

I am sick of their arrogance. She is number 64 on my ignore list. nm rhett o rick May 2016 #99

There there Rhett anigbrowl May 2016 #65

It's totally corrupt. Practically every state had some degree of election fraud. reformist2 May 2016 #192

No it isn't/ seabeyond May 2016 #193

What a load. Bobbie Jo May 2016 #8

Waaaaaahhhhhh!!! Dr Hobbitstein May 2016 #9

hahaha Cheese Sandwich May 2016 #12

That's the Clinton side whining for Sanders to quit in the 8th inning. LOL. rhett o rick May 2016 #24

I have a nephew who just turned one last week and I swear--that pic is riversedge May 2016 #15

What are your qualifications in political punditry anyways? BootinUp May 2016 #11

2 time grammy wARD winnder Best orignal recipe Cheese Sandwich May 2016 #13

For one, Cheese Sandwich doesn't say "anyways" Ned_Devine May 2016 #128

100% ThePhilosopher04 May 2016 #16

Your vote is what will put Clinton over the top!!! NCTraveler May 2016 #17

Like your candidate leftynyc May 2016 #18

+1 JoePhilly May 2016 #20

Getting more votes in this corrupt election process, seen as the worst of all modern rhett o rick May 2016 #32

Yawn leftynyc May 2016 #33

Go ahead and gloat. The hubris and arrogance will be the downfall of the Corporate Wing rhett o rick May 2016 #37

Gloat? leftynyc May 2016 #40

It is the Democratic Party who is losing voters. Duval May 2016 #46

I'm interested in making sure donnie leftynyc May 2016 #50

Then you failed by putting up the weaker candidate for the general. Jester Messiah May 2016 #54

I didn't put either one of them "up" leftynyc May 2016 #55

+1, they're whining is consummate too... Sanders camp ADMITTEDLY ignored the "southern states" and uponit7771 May 2016 #48

But THAT is also not their fault leftynyc May 2016 #51

I think it should be studied or something, they're QUICK to blame the system or unicorns or uponit7771 May 2016 #52

"Us"? zappaman May 2016 #22

Exactly this. If Trump wins, it's 100% on Hillary and her supporters. Schema Thing May 2016 #25

And the BoBers, especially those who for months have promoted "concerned" RW talking points ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2016 #83

Yeah, I mean they always said they wouldn't vote for Hillary. Schema Thing May 2016 #86

I've been meaning to ask ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2016 #89

Y'know, you aren't helping the world be a better place. Schema Thing May 2016 #91

LOL. And you are? ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2016 #93

Um...pardon me... HillareeeHillaraah May 2016 #210

Well ... Thank you. 1StrongBlackMan May 2016 #212

+1 harun May 2016 #126

The same way you went after O'Malley non stop Peacetrain May 2016 #28

how is it jcgoldie May 2016 #31

You keep being told, but you keep refusing to acknowledge the obvious, for some obvious reason. -none May 2016 #73

pretty sure election irregularities dont even scratch the surface of jcgoldie May 2016 #75

The 'pushers' aren't to blame, Cheese, elleng May 2016 #34

This country voted George W. Bush. They could easily vote Trump over Clinton. snowy owl May 2016 #35

Whining is rather useless mythology May 2016 #38

As a half-witted idiot, I too blame Democrats when Republicans win. LanternWaste May 2016 #43

Long way to go, but the trend in polling does not look good. EndElectoral May 2016 #44

K&R! nt Duval May 2016 #45

The polls being cited by Sanders on electablity are meaningless and sad Gothmog May 2016 #47

How precisely was Obama "more vetted" when he won in 2008??? Herman4747 May 2016 #152

Are you serious? Obama was the frontrunner for most of the race and the press treated him seriously Gothmog May 2016 #179

Obama was never "vetted" He still won. Herman4747 May 2016 #181

Sanders' reliance on silly polls is unwarranted due to a lack of vetting Gothmog May 2016 #190

Not horrible at all in my opinion. Herman4747 May 2016 #194

I live in the real world Gothmog May 2016 #195

Consider the relentless attacks against FDR Herman4747 May 2016 #215

you're not voting for hillary. we get that. have a nice day nt msongs May 2016 #49

No one pushed anything on you. God, what drama. randome May 2016 #58

'less electable' == 'I prefer someone else' anigbrowl May 2016 #61

So, has your state held its primary event yet this year? MineralMan May 2016 #63

+1 ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2016 #84

Here the dumbass I wasted shoe leather on stated it was her job to deliver Kentucky for Clinton TheKentuckian May 2016 #121

There are a number of culprits here. The LibDemAlways May 2016 #64

Do you ever get the feeling, when posting the truth about Hillary in response to a Hillary supporter -none May 2016 #74

Telling Hillary supporters that their candidate is not well liked and LibDemAlways May 2016 #88

So votes now = "pushing" ... ok. JoePhilly May 2016 #69

That's right Joe. More people voted for Hillary than Sanders, and some folks have a problem still_one May 2016 #103

... UMTerp01 May 2016 #76

Lol~ sheshe2 May 2016 #81

kick & rec. Expression, priceless!!! still_one May 2016 #107

Yes! Damn you....ummm....ummmmm...... Tommy_Carcetti May 2016 #77

You mean the majority of democratic voters and super delegates? beachbumbob May 2016 #78

The gender of the next President makes no LibDemAlways May 2016 #90

The majority of Democratic voters kaleckim May 2016 #108

..... dana_b May 2016 #79

Primary Voters Are Making Their Choices jamese777 May 2016 #80

There is one thing, IMHO, that the Hill people dont understand, if it was Elizabeth Warren running, litlbilly May 2016 #85

"all the people who pushed Hillary"... SidDithers May 2016 #87

To all the people who pushed Sanders on us, I'm glad that hillary prevailed. Beacool May 2016 #92

Well, that's cool...the center-right gets to have it's say, too. Lizzie Poppet May 2016 #214

Kicked and recommended! Enthusiast May 2016 #96

Bookmarked for later. Matt_R May 2016 #100

Nobody pushed Hillary on anyone. That is what elections are about. More people voted for Hillary still_one May 2016 #101

June 14th .... LenaBaby61 May 2016 #106

If you're going to blame anyone, how about all those thoussnds Arkansas Granny May 2016 #109

You're to blame if you don't read and consider this Arneoker May 2016 #110

Sanders has been hit by both the GOP and, from behind, by Clinton MisterP May 2016 #116

Clinton has been treating him with kid gloves Arneoker May 2016 #200

Without some kind of a key HillareeeHillaraah May 2016 #209

To all the people who cost Bernie the primary by acting like asses... Sancho May 2016 #112

Great post Gothmog May 2016 #115

Truth. Bobbie Jo May 2016 #118

well...that pretty much said it all..... Sheepshank May 2016 #119

If vanity "leftist" wannabes were into ideas and hard work forjusticethunders May 2016 #136

Truth! n/t Beausoir May 2016 #146

Bravo!! brer cat May 2016 #157

Perfection. zappaman May 2016 #177

This post deserves a rec, but since that's not possible, a kick is what I'll give it :) NT KitSileya May 2016 #196

Beautifully said Haveadream May 2016 #211

+infinite grossproffit May 2016 #216

This +1000 mcar May 2016 #219

Awesome! I would disagree on one point: Sanders's little elves certainly trashed his campaign, but Squinch May 2016 #220

After landing that Koch endorsement, you'd think that would have opened their eyes. B Calm May 2016 #113

Can you link to the that endorsement? Sheepshank May 2016 #120

What cave did you climb out of? B Calm May 2016 #141

Rude, insulting and wrong. What a dummy Sheepshank May 2016 #142

May not be a full throated endorsement, but he did say he prefers Hillary over Trump! B Calm May 2016 #143

tish tosh...just a little walk back. Good. That's what you get for buying into RW bravado Sheepshank May 2016 #144

Tish Tosh. . . Keep denying it. B Calm May 2016 #145

you need to prove that you didn't lie. where is the endorsement? Sheepshank May 2016 #147

Yawn. . . You sound like a broken record. B Calm May 2016 #148

and you have yet to admit that you attempted to promote a lie. Sheepshank May 2016 #149

and you have to admit Koch prefers Hillary over Trump! B Calm May 2016 #150

read post 144 all the way through and see if you can catch the nuance. If not I'll draw a diagram. Sheepshank May 2016 #151

Even Hillary Clinton herself called it an endorsement. B Calm May 2016 #158

It was not an endorsement Sheepshank May 2016 #159

Then tell Hillary, she was not interested in what she called an endorsement from Koch! B Calm May 2016 #160

if you read Koch's words as an endorsement, then all I can say is go back to school. Sheepshank May 2016 #161

We can keep kicking this thread back to the top! B Calm May 2016 #163

and your credibility with continue to dive...I'm ok with that. n/t Sheepshank May 2016 #164

and I'm not worried about that. Koch bros love Hillary! B Calm May 2016 #167

I hope they donate millions and millions Sheepshank May 2016 #168

They probably already have. B Calm May 2016 #169

ah...making up shit again. The desperate tack of a Bernie supporter. n/t Sheepshank May 2016 #171

Just answering the shit you posted! B Calm May 2016 #172

...you started the lies, and keep piling it on. It's truly pitiful. Sheepshank May 2016 #173

It wasn't a lie, but you can take a break, I have to run outside for a few minutes. B Calm May 2016 #174

yes...it was...you lied about the endorsement. Stay outside as long as you wish Sheepshank May 2016 #176

I'm back now. From the above link I gave you Charles Koch had nothing but kind words for B Calm May 2016 #180

even a broke clock is right twice a day..Kochs were correct about Hillary being better than Trump Sheepshank May 2016 #182

LOL Hillary supporters crack me up! B Calm May 2016 #183

yes, so now let me crawl back in my cave, as you mentioned earlier. thanks. Sheepshank May 2016 #188

See ya, watch out for bats. B Calm May 2016 #189

you yourself just pointed out that this non endrosement was rejected by Hillary Sheepshank May 2016 #162

I know she rejected what she called an endorsement. B Calm May 2016 #166

Oh no ... we're to blame. :-P NurseJackie May 2016 #114

Oligarchy IndyV0te May 2016 #122

Look on the bright side cheese, fifty+ years have passed since the establishment.......... nolabels May 2016 #124

Do you mean the voters? Nonhlanhla May 2016 #125

Huh . . . less electable but still beat Sanders in elections. How does that compute? brush May 2016 #129

i meant in the general Cheese Sandwich May 2016 #130

Conjecture. Not worth much if you can't get to the general. brush May 2016 #137

Projecting Much? Vogon_Glory May 2016 #132

Happy to be Rec #115. Don't fruiting blame Sanders or his supporters nc4bo May 2016 #154

I wish you wouldn't post moronic MyNameGoesHere May 2016 #155

+1000 Cobalt Violet May 2016 #156

There, there.... Try to breathe. wildeyed May 2016 #170

I'll probably have forgotten this OP RandySF May 2016 #178

Do you have evidence that Hillary is "less electable" besides the "corporate polls" you don't trust? brooklynite May 2016 #184

They will blame us for their mistakes. Just wait and see. insta8er May 2016 #185

They already are! B Calm May 2016 #187

I see only 20 of 156 posts in this thread? Califonz May 2016 #197

Statistically yes. PATRICK May 2016 #202

are you referring to the majority of Dem primary voters? DrDan May 2016 #205

How does a cheese sandwich post so often every day without opposable thumbs? betsuni May 2016 #213

Even cheese has an expiration date. n/t zappaman May 2016 #217

Hillary's biggest mistake was hiding the real reason for this horrible disaster Baobab May 2016 #218