2016 Postmortem

IdaBriggs

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7. Sigh. The email and server are evidence that she has issues following the rules

Wed May 25, 2016, 12:07 PM

May 2016

and telling the truth. They reflect on her views about government transparency and world peace.

We have actual laws in place to hold government officials accountable, which include keeping government records accessible to FOIA requests and classified information safe.

The Benghazi hearings happened because she had a staff member repeat lies on national television slamming a movie as the cause of an attack on an embassy. When they started the scold campaign, they opened up a can of worms that provided data on a person with zero clearance emailing NSA and CIA reports, and it appears that we were holding prisoners for transfer to facilities that allow torture, and oh, it turns out the Secretary of State was breaking a few laws, too. Finding these things out is what is supposed to happen in a two-party system.

And YES, it would have been lovely if the Democrats had done their jobs and held the Bush folk accountable for everything you mentioned. I am not sure why they didn't, which leads to the suspicion of cronyism and corruption.

My two cents. Yours may vary.

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Is anyone else surprised at how suddenly important email and national security is to Progressives? [View all] MariaThinks May 2016 OP

Straw man. morningfog May 2016 #1

And that straw man is naked as a jay bird. floriduck May 2016 #8

Embarrassingly bad op cali May 2016 #12

Those issues are all still important. And yes, Iraq was the greatest FP blunder and HRC voted for it Ned_Devine May 2016 #2

You weren't around here after 9/11 and when the Iraq War started. leveymg May 2016 #3

I saw the second plane hit, the towers go down, lost some Port Authority friends. Fuck this OP! TheBlackAdder May 2016 #58

I was in traffic near National Airport and saw the smoke rising from the Pentagon. I agree. leveymg May 2016 #79

Government secrets stand against the people (ntxt) scscholar May 2016 #4

Not if your name is Snowden. Then it's all "Freedom! Authoritarians! Fascists!" randome May 2016 #5

If your name is Aerows and you wrote to Patrick Leahy Aerows May 2016 #21

Your consistency is commendable. Others' not so much. randome May 2016 #29

LOL! Aerows May 2016 #42

anyone remember Valerie Plame? G_j May 2016 #50

Yeah, there was. randome May 2016 #57

The question was about progressives G_j May 2016 #59

LMAO! So true. Looks like their duplicity is on full display. R B Garr May 2016 #26

Oh my. Aerows May 2016 #43

Snowden was trying to expose bad behavior - some of it criminal. Fawke Em May 2016 #32

Both have to do with transparency and procedures Armstead May 2016 #33

We are overwhelming interested in your list, but many don't believe Hillary will deliver Progressive highprincipleswork May 2016 #6

Sigh. The email and server are evidence that she has issues following the rules IdaBriggs May 2016 #7

Integrity. Octafish May 2016 #9

We don't care about Benghazi, it's bullshit pengu May 2016 #10

bingo krawhitham May 2016 #61

Progressives have always been concerned about transparency. cali May 2016 #11

You beat me to this post... Bob41213 May 2016 #13

Oh, it's worth saving over and over. cali May 2016 #14

people who call other people silly and use words like embarrassing MariaThinks May 2016 #44

You've been here 5 months and have 4 hides. Cali's been here 12 years and has 2 hides riderinthestorm May 2016 #72

Give me a break. People are hiding for all sorts of reasons MariaThinks May 2016 #76

Anybody else surprised at how unimportant election integrity QC May 2016 #15

No. cali May 2016 #17

Can't say that I'm surprised either. n/t QC May 2016 #18

+++ frylock May 2016 #64

Wish I could rec this post a thousand times. libtodeath May 2016 #81

No one has said it's the biggest fp blunder of all time. cali May 2016 #16

I was concerned enough about it in 2006 Aerows May 2016 #19

Not sudden at all. More than 840high May 2016 #20

They don't actually care - it's just a fun line of attack that annoys Hillary supporters Dem2 May 2016 #22

Notice the responses in this thread - how dare I even suggest this. MariaThinks May 2016 #45

Internet made an angry Dem2 May 2016 #52

i must be doing a lot right lately! MariaThinks May 2016 #53

That's because GDP is a mirror image of the Freepers when it comes to attacking the Clintons. Beacool May 2016 #23

You guys are woefully unprepared for the reality of the general election cali May 2016 #36

Sadly, i've noticed that. MariaThinks May 2016 #46

Oh I've said this for ages; Berniefans don't have the slightest interest in e-mail security Tarc May 2016 #24

It's about transparency and her penchant for secrecy for me cali May 2016 #38

it sounds like when the republicans would sadly nod their heads and say benghazi whenever they MariaThinks May 2016 #47

It's that she's under investigation and might be charged with a crime. NightWatcher May 2016 #25

People see her as dishonest because of hundreds of millions of dollars of ads against her MariaThinks May 2016 #48

I think it was the million and millions in Wall Street bribes...er...speaking fees. Throd May 2016 #56

there it is right there - the innuendo. Speaking fees are not bribes MariaThinks May 2016 #60

Call them whatever you want. People that give you $250,000 expect a return on their investment. Throd May 2016 #63

my point is made MariaThinks May 2016 #65

Are you sure that point helps? Throd May 2016 #69

Well, that and all her dishonesty. frylock May 2016 #66

Neither progressives nor whatever you consider yourselves... dchill May 2016 #27

Good government, government in the sunshine has always been important! 4139 May 2016 #28

I have worked in cyber security for 10 years. Fawke Em May 2016 #30

Bernie Supporters got nothing else. Demsrule86 May 2016 #31

LMAO! Fawke Em May 2016 #37

that's what i say. MariaThinks May 2016 #49

A true clown show alcibiades_mystery May 2016 #34

If the e-mail coverup takes out the Dem potential nominee, none of that other stuff will happen. lagomorph777 May 2016 #35

No surprise they want Hillary in jail The_Casual_Observer May 2016 #39

Watergate? Iran-Contra? Transparency? Hello? Bad Thoughts May 2016 #40

You probably do not understand the intersectionality nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #41

We can't run a weakened candidate in the general election or we lose. Vinca May 2016 #51

I'm more surprised that the Bush Admin has become the standard by Press Virginia May 2016 #54

I guess that Nader really wasn't too far off the mark after all. frylock May 2016 #67

My worry is that the public perception is way too damaging at this point... phleshdef May 2016 #55

I think reality is starting to sink in for Hillary Supporter. frylock May 2016 #62

...trust... HumanityExperiment May 2016 #68

I bitched about Bush-Cheney violating the FOIA by using private email, I bitched about Rick Perry Attorney in Texas May 2016 #70

It is indeed amusing Gothmog May 2016 #71

Hillary thought it important when she condemned Snowden and backed the NSA. Tierra_y_Libertad May 2016 #73

It's only a surprise to you. There's a lot of us who've been paying attention for many years nt riderinthestorm May 2016 #74

Female Rights? Bettie May 2016 #75

DU rec CorkySt.Clair May 2016 #77

i try to speak the thoughtful truth MariaThinks May 2016 #78

More like openness and evidence of bad judgment. hobbit709 May 2016 #80

Maria, you need to do more thinking. Seriously. BillZBubb May 2016 #82

I'm more surprised at how suddenly UNIMPORTANT single-payer is to progressives. Jim Lane May 2016 #83