2016 Postmortem

Tal Vez

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1. I think everyone hopes that the party and the country will move to the left over time.

Wed May 25, 2016, 06:33 PM

May 2016

However, the best way to move the nation's policies to the right is to elect right wing politicians to national office. And the best way to elect right wing politicians to national office is make proposals that are ahead of their time and as yet frightening to too many voters. If I am more progressive than most of my neighbors, it is important to consider that fact when devising a strategy as to the timing of proposing progressive programs to that public. Persuasion can require some patience.

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The Democratic Party's Civil War Is Just Getting Started [View all] insta8er May 2016 OP

I think everyone hopes that the party and the country will move to the left over time. Tal Vez May 2016 #1

You're out of time. jeff47 May 2016 #2

Yep. Incrementalism has no place in an emergency setting. GreenPartyVoter May 2016 #3

Fortunately for you and your goals, Hillary will win in November. BzaDem May 2016 #4

Very doubtful she will address most of my goals, if any, in a meaningful way. GreenPartyVoter May 2016 #6

She won't nominate justices who will strike down your goals for the next 30+ years. BzaDem May 2016 #10

We shall see, won't we? GreenPartyVoter May 2016 #12

Bill Clinton puffy socks May 2016 #28

How is your Green Party candidate polling? redstateblues May 2016 #38

I'm actually pretty sure she will nominate justices who strike down my goals for the next 30 years.. Chan790 May 2016 #23

That's exactly what Nader supporters said in 2000. They then changed their tune very quickly. BzaDem May 2016 #30

We'll see. Chan790 May 2016 #35

16 years later, and we've still not moved left enough. retrowire May 2016 #39

That's like saying "I've tried not burning my house down for 16 years, and we STILL haven't moved BzaDem May 2016 #46

You saying going to the left = burning down a house? nt retrowire May 2016 #56

I am extremely glad that FDR did not think that way. I was jwirr May 2016 #9

Some questions about FDR's presidency. BzaDem May 2016 #14

Whoah! randome May 2016 #15

None of that make a hills worth of difference because what I jwirr May 2016 #18

One thing that will actually cause us to lose the battle against corporations forever BzaDem May 2016 #21

How were minorities prevented from receiving Social Security? k8conant May 2016 #31

Because agriculture and domestic service were exempted Recursion May 2016 #55

FDR had democratic party control of the house and senate workinclasszero May 2016 #29

Democrats used to stand for the working people and were not JEB May 2016 #59

The forces that 'stop' Sanders Trajan May 2016 #26

exactly! Cobalt Violet May 2016 #42

I am a strong Bernie supporter, and I think he still can win the nomination JDPriestly May 2016 #52

No one would be happier than I if she could pass progressive policies. BzaDem May 2016 #54

Bernie and his supporters (in my experience) view the job of the president to use the JDPriestly May 2016 #58

A Revolution (TM) on the backs of Bernie and a handful of Berniecrat House candidates? brooklynite May 2016 #57

This message was self-deleted by its author silvershadow May 2016 #48

a condemnation is not an indictment. MFM008 May 2016 #53

I agree but I think war with Russia and/or the complete evisceration of national sovereignty bjo59 May 2016 #33

Michigan is proof that your "best way" is a fail. Two terms of Snyder has done nothing to turn corkhead May 2016 #5

I think that you need to understand that Snyder is a Republican. Tal Vez May 2016 #8

I know he is a republican. you said, and I quote corkhead May 2016 #40

cornbread—It would take Donald Trump winning by +06 points. CobaltBlue May 2016 #47

Over time ----- After the TPP is signed? After climate change jwirr May 2016 #7

There is nothing wrong with your opposition to TPP. Tal Vez May 2016 #13

Well since I already support the Unions in my state against it. jwirr May 2016 #16

There is one Democrat in the race Trajan May 2016 #32

Hillary is a right wing politician. Any agreement between her and Ryan will move the country to Doctor_J May 2016 #17

I don't share your view. Tal Vez May 2016 #20

"Clinton is plenty progressive." Chan790 May 2016 #24

Lumping Hillary in with Ted Cruz et al is extreme hyperbole redstateblues May 2016 #44

Are your neighbors afraid of you? If not, don't project your own paranoia leveymg May 2016 #37

The best defense is a good offense, Lincoln learned that lesson and applied it Uncle Joe May 2016 #50

And any day now, OWS will conquer the world. randome May 2016 #11

REality sets in... anigbrowl May 2016 #19

This has been debunked. Repeatedly. Chan790 May 2016 #27

The tea party didn't take over the GOP by starting at the top Orangepeel May 2016 #22

We aren't the Tea Party Trajan May 2016 #34

hopefully you won't put foreigners in internment camps like FDR did redstateblues May 2016 #45

..... cliffordu May 2016 #49

This message was self-deleted by its author TM99 May 2016 #51

Good for them - we're not them dana_b May 2016 #43

man, the mask is really off bigtree May 2016 #25

In the long-run, the trend line favors us and goes against Clintonites. n/t Chan790 May 2016 #36

Democracy involves the people, not corporations. -none May 2016 #41