2016 Postmortem

BzaDem

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30. That's exactly what Nader supporters said in 2000. They then changed their tune very quickly.

Wed May 25, 2016, 08:30 PM

May 2016

Nader's support dropped by a factor of 10 in 2004, despite a less progressive candidate. That's because it is much harder to act against your own interests when the reality of a previous decision to do so is hurting you on a daily basis. Reality matters, and your description of a supposed "civil war" isn't reality.

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The Democratic Party's Civil War Is Just Getting Started [View all] insta8er May 2016 OP

I think everyone hopes that the party and the country will move to the left over time. Tal Vez May 2016 #1

You're out of time. jeff47 May 2016 #2

Yep. Incrementalism has no place in an emergency setting. GreenPartyVoter May 2016 #3

Fortunately for you and your goals, Hillary will win in November. BzaDem May 2016 #4

Very doubtful she will address most of my goals, if any, in a meaningful way. GreenPartyVoter May 2016 #6

She won't nominate justices who will strike down your goals for the next 30+ years. BzaDem May 2016 #10

We shall see, won't we? GreenPartyVoter May 2016 #12

Bill Clinton puffy socks May 2016 #28

How is your Green Party candidate polling? redstateblues May 2016 #38

I'm actually pretty sure she will nominate justices who strike down my goals for the next 30 years.. Chan790 May 2016 #23

That's exactly what Nader supporters said in 2000. They then changed their tune very quickly. BzaDem May 2016 #30

We'll see. Chan790 May 2016 #35

16 years later, and we've still not moved left enough. retrowire May 2016 #39

That's like saying "I've tried not burning my house down for 16 years, and we STILL haven't moved BzaDem May 2016 #46

You saying going to the left = burning down a house? nt retrowire May 2016 #56

I am extremely glad that FDR did not think that way. I was jwirr May 2016 #9

Some questions about FDR's presidency. BzaDem May 2016 #14

Whoah! randome May 2016 #15

None of that make a hills worth of difference because what I jwirr May 2016 #18

One thing that will actually cause us to lose the battle against corporations forever BzaDem May 2016 #21

How were minorities prevented from receiving Social Security? k8conant May 2016 #31

Because agriculture and domestic service were exempted Recursion May 2016 #55

FDR had democratic party control of the house and senate workinclasszero May 2016 #29

Democrats used to stand for the working people and were not JEB May 2016 #59

The forces that 'stop' Sanders Trajan May 2016 #26

exactly! Cobalt Violet May 2016 #42

I am a strong Bernie supporter, and I think he still can win the nomination JDPriestly May 2016 #52

No one would be happier than I if she could pass progressive policies. BzaDem May 2016 #54

Bernie and his supporters (in my experience) view the job of the president to use the JDPriestly May 2016 #58

A Revolution (TM) on the backs of Bernie and a handful of Berniecrat House candidates? brooklynite May 2016 #57

This message was self-deleted by its author silvershadow May 2016 #48

a condemnation is not an indictment. MFM008 May 2016 #53

I agree but I think war with Russia and/or the complete evisceration of national sovereignty bjo59 May 2016 #33

Michigan is proof that your "best way" is a fail. Two terms of Snyder has done nothing to turn corkhead May 2016 #5

I think that you need to understand that Snyder is a Republican. Tal Vez May 2016 #8

I know he is a republican. you said, and I quote corkhead May 2016 #40

cornbread—It would take Donald Trump winning by +06 points. CobaltBlue May 2016 #47

Over time ----- After the TPP is signed? After climate change jwirr May 2016 #7

There is nothing wrong with your opposition to TPP. Tal Vez May 2016 #13

Well since I already support the Unions in my state against it. jwirr May 2016 #16

There is one Democrat in the race Trajan May 2016 #32

Hillary is a right wing politician. Any agreement between her and Ryan will move the country to Doctor_J May 2016 #17

I don't share your view. Tal Vez May 2016 #20

"Clinton is plenty progressive." Chan790 May 2016 #24

Lumping Hillary in with Ted Cruz et al is extreme hyperbole redstateblues May 2016 #44

Are your neighbors afraid of you? If not, don't project your own paranoia leveymg May 2016 #37

The best defense is a good offense, Lincoln learned that lesson and applied it Uncle Joe May 2016 #50

And any day now, OWS will conquer the world. randome May 2016 #11

REality sets in... anigbrowl May 2016 #19

This has been debunked. Repeatedly. Chan790 May 2016 #27

The tea party didn't take over the GOP by starting at the top Orangepeel May 2016 #22

We aren't the Tea Party Trajan May 2016 #34

hopefully you won't put foreigners in internment camps like FDR did redstateblues May 2016 #45

..... cliffordu May 2016 #49

This message was self-deleted by its author TM99 May 2016 #51

Good for them - we're not them dana_b May 2016 #43

man, the mask is really off bigtree May 2016 #25

In the long-run, the trend line favors us and goes against Clintonites. n/t Chan790 May 2016 #36

Democracy involves the people, not corporations. -none May 2016 #41