2016 Postmortem

DemocratSinceBirth

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225. Rough stuff

Reply to leeroysphitz (Reply #182)

Thu May 26, 2016, 06:17 PM

May 2016

You don't know. You know where you can put your crystal ball don't you? n/t

Rough stuff...

We have a he-man here.

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Clinton CANNOT clinch the nomination before the convention. Feel "the math"! [View all] Peace Patriot May 2016 OP

The Super Delegates are no going to change much, sorry. nt OhZone May 2016 #1

I don't give a €&¥£ about the supers. SusanCalvin May 2016 #18

She will DEFINITELY have the majority of pledged (elected) delegates. Adrahil May 2016 #26

If so, then it is what it is. nt SusanCalvin May 2016 #30

you didn't watch the video. nt grasswire May 2016 #54

You don't have an understanding of math. Lord Magus May 2016 #96

Thank you for the small shred of sanity TeacherB87 May 2016 #127

Thank you Lord (Magus) SCantiGOP May 2016 #203

It is Bullshit Demsrule86 May 2016 #224

39 of them just might. LOL... nt MADem May 2016 #46

No, he can't win it... SidDithers May 2016 #2

asserting something (especially something false like this) doesn't make it valid; HRC will not have amborin May 2016 #75

Wishing something weren't true doesn't make it any less true. Lord Magus May 2016 #98

Obama wasn't under FBI investigation with clear evidence, already, of a felony, for starters amborin May 2016 #148

No he was just the Muslim Kenyan candidate MyNameGoesHere May 2016 #168

no comparison; the public saw through Clinton's racists smears about Obama amborin May 2016 #177

Good point! InAbLuEsTaTe May 2016 #176

Your claims of "clear evidence of a felony" are Republican nonsense. Lord Magus Jun 2016 #238

Sure she will - do the math Corporate666 May 2016 #160

Who made that man of straw? DisgustipatedinCA May 2016 #153

Who made the first straw man that suggests people are claiming Clinton will reach 2383 via PD alone? Garrett78 May 2016 #206

You don't know. You know where you can put your crystal ball don't you? n/t leeroysphitz May 2016 #182

I, along with most everyone else, does know... SidDithers May 2016 #195

Rough stuff DemocratSinceBirth May 2016 #225

All the media outlets will call the primary for Hillary workinclasszero May 2016 #3

They called the GE for Bush in 2000. cui bono May 2016 #50

if they do, that doesn't make the claim valid; it's false; separately, only Bernie can beat Trump amborin May 2016 #76

Does Donald Trump have the majority of pledged Republican delegates? blue neen May 2016 #126

immaterial, since all contenders have withdrawn amborin May 2016 #139

Nope. blue neen May 2016 #171

Yep. By default Trump is nominee, simply b/c all others left race; he expected contested convention amborin May 2016 #178

OP must be right SCantiGOP May 2016 #4

What part besides the caps tazkcmo May 2016 #7

Dead give-away! LOL! YEEEEEEESSSSSSS! Surya Gayatri May 2016 #15

Ridiculing the opposition: it's the Hillary way! senz May 2016 #23

To be fair rock May 2016 #34

Yep, verbal abuse. It's the Hill fan way. senz May 2016 #58

I don't believe they can Ned_Devine May 2016 #63

Good defense. If someone comes at you with facts you don't like, ridicule them Ned_Devine May 2016 #62

See rock May 2016 #70

You reply to yourself? senz May 2016 #87

Wow rock May 2016 #173

Ew. senz May 2016 #181

Unless something big happens tazkcmo May 2016 #5

There isn't any hope for BS... dubyadiprecession May 2016 #6

He would be 82... tritsofme May 2016 #10

Have you noticed, though, how he looks better and better, at least to me? SusanCalvin May 2016 #20

I think he looks hunched and exhausted, actually. MADem May 2016 #47

he looks great! does pushups every day, etc. In contrast, HRC looks bloated and exhausted, amborin May 2016 #79

She looks wonderful and healthy. blue neen May 2016 #129

HRC does not look healthy, by any stretch of the imagination; moreoever, "long term coagulation" amborin May 2016 #138

Are you a hematologist? blue neen May 2016 #170

Sanders didn't release his physical RECORDS. You have no idea what problems he has. MADem May 2016 #193

He looks fine and he loves doing this. senz May 2016 #92

Really? Oookay. SusanCalvin May 2016 #164

he's only 74; 4/5 yrs older than HRC amborin May 2016 #77

I wouldn't be advocating for a Hillary 2024 run either. tritsofme May 2016 #80

So even after her first term is up, she will be YEARS younger than Bernie is today? Got it. Corporate666 May 2016 #161

If that's the case, then there isn't any hope for the country. senz May 2016 #25

Correct,Clinton like every other candidate in history, will not be the nominee until she's nominated tritsofme May 2016 #8

That's pretty damned informative. Thank you! KeepItReal May 2016 #9

Why the double standard? joshcryer May 2016 #11

Obama actually WON the primary before the convention. senz May 2016 #31

No, he did not have the pledged delegate without supers majority. joshcryer May 2016 #39

yes, see my # 130 below. riversedge May 2016 #131

Either you're being hypocritical, or you have no idea what you're talking about. mythology May 2016 #57

Putting a lie in caps doesn't make it less a lie. onenote May 2016 #84

It's from wikipedia; if it's incorrect, tell them. Here's the quote: senz May 2016 #107

The poster did not lie--You need to read the article more closely.... riversedge May 2016 #130

I'll stop calling you a liar when you stop lying onenote May 2016 #167

Correct. see note riversedge May 2016 #132

Obama reached the requisite delegate count on June 3, 2008 WITH SUPERDELEGATES. Lord Magus May 2016 #101

Correct. see post #130 riversedge May 2016 #134

Nobody is officially nominated prior to the convention. Garrett78 May 2016 #227

MSNBC took the vid down because it contradicts Hill Camp lies. senz May 2016 #12

kornacki's video was shown on monday 5/23 hopemountain May 2016 #154

I could have sworn Obama won the nomination before the 2008 convention. LonePirate May 2016 #13

Yes, Obama reached the necessary delegate count in early June. senz May 2016 #33

And you accuse Clinton of lying. joshcryer May 2016 #40

I can't believe you guys! Do think everyone lies like your candidate and campaign? senz May 2016 #45

You are so full of it it's not even funny. joshcryer May 2016 #49

He had the requisite number of pledged delgates. Pledged delegates. senz May 2016 #55

Obama did not have the majority of pledged delegates. joshcryer May 2016 #61

Your research is flawed. And wrong. As is your math. MADem May 2016 #65

So, they've been making this argument for months, and they still don't understand the math. TwilightZone May 2016 #71

You might want to look at your link again. Obama needed SDs to clinch the nomination early. TwilightZone May 2016 #69

Repetition will not make it so. Obama had 1794½ pledged delegates. The margin for victory was 2117. Lord Magus May 2016 #104

The link you posted above contradicts what you are saying. See post # 130 and learn to riversedge May 2016 #135

that is not true Demsrule86 May 2016 #175

Ignorance lancer78 May 2016 #158

You need to read your own links, there--he did not have enough PLEDGED delegates to win. MADem May 2016 #60

MADem, I quoted a wikipedia article. Now I have this gift for you -- senz May 2016 #102

Doubling down on your lie, I see. onenote May 2016 #89

No, he didn't. Beacool May 2016 #95

You should probably start preparing for the inevitable. TwilightZone May 2016 #14

Nice story... Is that your name or where you live? AzDar May 2016 #16

Bernie has lost. Sorry redstateblues May 2016 #53

Yes, you are. And WRONG. AzDar May 2016 #59

Someone has some sensitive feelings... TipTok May 2016 #100

... AzDar May 2016 #120

The networks cannot "call" the race. senz May 2016 #35

Sure, they can. They do it all the time. TwilightZone May 2016 #66

Then it's strange how you and other posters in this thread refer to Trump as the Republican nominee. blue neen May 2016 #137

Can you please send me AirmensMom May 2016 #221

She only needs 40% in three primaries. LuvLoogie May 2016 #17

That's what I thought. SusanCalvin May 2016 #21

The MSNBC video in the OP is working only from pledged delegates. senz May 2016 #36

"All you have to do is watch it" never works for me.... ;-> SusanCalvin May 2016 #44

I'm posting the link in this comment. Takes you to a FB page. Wait a few seconds. senz May 2016 #52

You might want to watch it again. I don't think it says what you think it says. TwilightZone May 2016 #74

Here, Susan, I wrote it up in textual form -- senz May 2016 #99

Prepare for the inevitable. Brace yourself. Surya Gayatri May 2016 #19

Your personality really comes through in your comments, Surya. senz May 2016 #38

Thanks, I've often been credited with having a fair wit and I love nothing better than a good laugh. Surya Gayatri May 2016 #43

MSNBC stated their intention to call the election 3 hours before California polls close ... slipslidingaway May 2016 #22

She only needs 248 more, there are about 716 pledged delegates left, for Sanders to get to 2383 in Thinkingabout May 2016 #37

According to Green Papers Clinton needs 613 of pledeged delegates left of the 718 delegates... slipslidingaway May 2016 #115

So you are saying the number of delegates has to be pledged delegates? Thinkingabout May 2016 #128

When do super delegates cast a vote? That is at the convention, Clinton will not have the .. slipslidingaway May 2016 #133

She will have the number over one half of the pledged delegates, she only needs Thinkingabout May 2016 #150

Clinton will not have the necessary number of delegates before the convention, let the process ... slipslidingaway May 2016 #151

Okay, believe what you want, remember, Sanders will not get enough delegates, Thinkingabout May 2016 #163

It DOESN'T MATTER if she gets the majority with pledged delegates alone, she doesn't need to. Lord Magus May 2016 #111

Obama was NOT under investigation on multiple fronts for violating rules which us common folk ... slipslidingaway May 2016 #121

You're right that the situtation is different this time. Lord Magus May 2016 #122

Obama was not under multiple investigations, not an insignificant fact. nt slipslidingaway May 2016 #124

Okay. Wait wait. I have an idea. Montana is in the middle of the alphabet... LuvLoogie May 2016 #24

Our Clinton "math" lovers have nothing to say about Kornacki's math, I see. Peace Patriot May 2016 #27

78 more delegates, it is the math. There will not be enough delegates left for Sanders to get, it Thinkingabout May 2016 #32

That is ONLY if you count supers nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #51

Everyone counts the SDs, except you guys. TwilightZone May 2016 #78

HRC supporters sure have a thing about democracy amborin May 2016 #81

Pretty funny coming from someone who thinks the SDs should ignore the will of the people and switch TwilightZone May 2016 #86

total hypocrisy; HRC supporters think it's fine if supers in states where BS has won overwhelmingly amborin May 2016 #145

And the party nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #113

That's just it, the supers DO count. Lord Magus May 2016 #109

On the floor of the convention nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #116

Oh FFS... SidDithers May 2016 #90

I've typed it a hundred times if I've typed it once madokie May 2016 #28

That's just it, he's not actually within striking distance. Lord Magus May 2016 #123

The numbers disagree with you. Eom Karma13612 May 2016 #165

yes, madokie - hearts hopemountain May 2016 #156

Hillary only needs 248 more pledged delegates to the to half of the pledged delegate count, Thinkingabout May 2016 #29

Hillary needs 612 pledged delegates. There are only 781 left in 9 primaries. senz May 2016 #91

She doesn't need a majority with pledged delegates alone, just a majority of TOTAL delegates. Lord Magus May 2016 #110

Right, and if you read my transcript of Kornacki's explanation senz May 2016 #118

Supers would need to be given a REASON to change their support from Clinton to Sanders. Lord Magus May 2016 #119

When do the super delegates vote? That is at the convention at the end of July. nt slipslidingaway May 2016 #136

When do the pledged delegates vote? Also at the convention at the end of July. So what's your point? Lord Magus Jun 2016 #237

So, even if Bernie ends up with more NorthCarolina May 2016 #216

That's not what Lord Magus said. Garrett78 May 2016 #218

That isn't what I said, not even close. Lord Magus Jun 2016 #236

More like "feel the denial" jcgoldie May 2016 #41

The super delegates are all loyal Democrats, and owe their careers to the party. Feel the rejection. eastwestdem May 2016 #42

ROFL! The Supers are WHITE MALES 4 most part, & many are PAID LOBBYISTS (paid by HRC): amborin May 2016 #85

That's hilarious, saying "voters be damned" when you're the one wanting supers to ignore the voters. Lord Magus May 2016 #112

for sake of argument, i'll ignore the election fraud that has marred the priimary process; otherwise amborin May 2016 #142

#BernieMath - Using SDs to calculate the amount needed to clinch but not counting SDs in their total SFnomad May 2016 #48

Exactly! They think they can add the SD's in on one side of the equation, but not on the other. pnwmom May 2016 #56

To be fair, the BS cheerleaders are a bit weak in the math department ... they can't tell they're SFnomad May 2016 #64

No, look again, Kornacki is only talking about pledged delegates. procon May 2016 #67

Are we going to be subjected every single day to these types of posts? Beacool May 2016 #68

He can't win. He is way behind in Delegates and no super delegates will change their mind. wisteria May 2016 #72

Oh read this -- senz May 2016 #97

Yuuuuge K&R! We've got to get the word out!!!! amborin May 2016 #73

You should probably watch the video again, this time with the sound on. TwilightZone May 2016 #82

"Sanders knows this. Why do you think he's been negotiating with the DNC?" Number23 May 2016 #93

Bernie knows it's an uphill fight. Thank God he's staying in. senz May 2016 #105

Here are my notes from Steve Kornacki's video explanation senz May 2016 #83

Thank you!!!!! amborin May 2016 #88

It's funny, I hate doing that kind of thing, senz May 2016 #94

+1 B Calm May 2016 #103

No, there is not a possiblity that supers will choose Sanders. Lord Magus May 2016 #106

Distinguish between pledged delegates and super delegates. senz May 2016 #108

Even if Clinton loses California (she won't) she'd still end up with a majority of pledged delegates Lord Magus May 2016 #114

Clinton is under FBI investigation, and the IG report today suggests evidence of a felony amborin May 2016 #149

Why would Superdelegates pick a candidate who.... aaaaaa5a May 2016 #117

Because she hasn't won any of this among Independents... Peace Patriot May 2016 #146

Superdelegates may indeed consider Bernie an attractive option. senz May 2016 #147

There is so many error here its embarassing. procon May 2016 #180

Just like Obama needed in 2008--He needed the SD's to become the presumptive nominee. At the riversedge May 2016 #140

Thank you so much, senz! You did the job I should've. Peace Patriot May 2016 #152

What's interesting is, so many of them didn't know it. senz May 2016 #155

Are there people claiming she'll reach 2383 via pledged delegates alone? Garrett78 May 2016 #162

Thank you. SusanCalvin May 2016 #166

you should make thias an op so even Clintonistas can understand. n/t leeroysphitz May 2016 #183

I see no indication that people think Clinton will reach 2383 via pledged delegates alone. Garrett78 May 2016 #185

Please. I've gotten "June 7th" as a one word answer for just about everything for the last month... leeroysphitz May 2016 #189

How is that a response to what I wrote? Garrett78 May 2016 #194

What do you think your friends mean when thay say June 7th instead of July 28th? n/t leeroysphitz May 2016 #196

So, you can't point to any evidence. Didn't think so. Garrett78 May 2016 #199

Peace Patriot already put it in the OP for this thread. senz May 2016 #186

I'm not a Hill fan but I don't think it's making people mad. Garrett78 May 2016 #187

Cute. They say it's over, that she's already won. They've been saying it for ages. senz May 2016 #188

What bothers me is the utter lack of critical thought and the invention of straw men. Garrett78 May 2016 #191

The pledged delegate majority is 2026. joshcryer May 2016 #184

Wrong. Do some more reading. n/t leeroysphitz May 2016 #190

No, it's not wrong. 2026 constitutes a majority of 4051. Basic math. Garrett78 May 2016 #192

there are 4765 delegates this go round. n/t leeroysphitz May 2016 #197

4052 are pledged only. joshcryer May 2016 #198

You get that there are both pledged delegates and superdelegates, right? Garrett78 May 2016 #200

Thank you! Peachhead22 May 2016 #125

Another BARGAINING stage post underthematrix May 2016 #141

No, the OP is still in the denial stage. riversedge May 2016 #143

Thanks! it's on my fb now! 2banon May 2016 #144

K&R Betty Karlson May 2016 #157

Only this... riversedge May 2016 #159

The point of the OP goes right over your head, Betty Karlson May 2016 #212

The point of the OP is one with which everyone agrees, as far as I can tell. Garrett78 May 2016 #213

And yet you insist that we should count unhatched chickens. Betty Karlson May 2016 #215

Um, no. Garrett78 May 2016 #217

Sanders could still end up with more pledged delegates. Betty Karlson May 2016 #219

Highly unlikely but not impossible. And irrelevant to the straw man argument being put forth. Garrett78 May 2016 #220

You know what: I think we have to agree to be on different planets. Betty Karlson May 2016 #222

The OP is very clearly making the point that... Garrett78 May 2016 #226

So you now disagree with me because of replies I DIDN'T make? Betty Karlson May 2016 #228

The OP is the issue at hand. Garrett78 May 2016 #229

Then why take issue with me over something that was written in replies by others? Betty Karlson May 2016 #230

I took issue with what you wrote, which is that the OP went over my head. Garrett78 May 2016 #231

No, I wrote it went over Riversedge's head. Do you have multiple accounts at this forum? eom Betty Karlson May 2016 #232

Yes, and you also wrote the same thing in a reply to me. Garrett78 May 2016 #233

Again: if Clinton doesn't reach the magic number by pledged delegates alone, Betty Karlson May 2016 #234

Agreed. Garrett78 May 2016 #235

Clinton will win the nomination June 7 in California. baldguy May 2016 #169

it's OVER - face it DrDan May 2016 #172

Really? workinclasszero May 2016 #174

Let's not ever call it over, Weaver needs to run a few more fund raisers, saying Thinkingabout May 2016 #202

Time to find a new passtime. Bernie is toast. (since March!) Lil Missy May 2016 #179

Again..Hillary needs 78 more delegates pledged/supers..Then she is our beachbumbob May 2016 #201

Sanders is 766 delegates behind HRC ProgressiveEconomist May 2016 #204

I don't think it's delusional so much as a straw man. Garrett78 May 2016 #205

Trump just this week achieved 1,237 ProgressiveEconomist May 2016 #208

Well, I'd caution against using Trump's claim to support your argument. Garrett78 May 2016 #209

K&R -- because it ain't over. senz May 2016 #207

This is really embarrassing for Hillary and her acolytes. bvar22 May 2016 #210

She essentially wrapped up the nomination by mid-March. Garrett78 May 2016 #211

Clinton has won. Sanders has lost. seabeyond May 2016 #214

She will be the presumed nominee after Demsrule86 May 2016 #223