2016 Postmortem

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Fri May 27, 2016, 08:55 PM

May 2016

I'm spitting nails right now after reading this shit. Mainly because I have seen this bullshit or some stupid assed variation of it EVERY SINGLE MOTHER FUCKING DAY on this damned web site.

This is just an extension of the "identity politics BAAADDDD!!1" bullshit from the ignorant, the dumb, and the privileged. The ones that think that racism and sexism and discrimination based on sexual orientation are just fucking social issues. Oblivious (and THRILLED to remain so) to the fact that these ills are the reasons that women and minorities and gays have been at the bottom of every goddamned totem pole, INCLUDING economically as well as politically.

I am so fucking sick of this. And like I said, we see it every day in the howls from white men about "social justice warriors" and "reverse racists" or bemoaning the "race card" being played as people consume themselves in "identity politics" without understanding that if everyone just pretended that they were a white guy, there would be no fucking problems. SOO sick of this shit.

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Fifties were a better time. We need to return to a better Democratic Party. [View all] snowy owl May 2016 OP

Conservatives look back jamese777 May 2016 #1

And conservatives don't learn from the past so repeat mistakes over and over and over snowy owl May 2016 #2

Conservatives look back to the 1850s, not the 1950s. denverbill May 2016 #19

A lot of people sure don't understand the post, do they? snowy owl May 2016 #63

We read the whole thing. We disagree with you. PeaceNikki May 2016 #74

"We need to return to a better Democratic Party" Duval May 2016 #141

The 50's were a better time? CorkySt.Clair May 2016 #3

Hey the "good old days" workinclasszero May 2016 #9

The more I think about it. CorkySt.Clair May 2016 #10

The good old days of the fifties or earlier were only for the dominant race, culture and sex. workinclasszero May 2016 #12

The OP doubles down later in the thread CorkySt.Clair May 2016 #57

Cite post number. snowy owl May 2016 #115

You do realize we can go back to the economic justice of the 50's (equalized for all) RichVRichV May 2016 #212

There was no economic justice in the 50's. CorkySt.Clair May 2016 #260

Yep, the middle class didn't exist then. RichVRichV May 2016 #262

If you equalize the economic justice while still maintaining the social justice gains of today ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2016 #285

Well of course we don't want to go back to the 50's. RichVRichV May 2016 #297

The 50s were better -- excepting minorities -- because America was building houses, corporations Hoyt May 2016 #4

Yes, and if we became more local, we could do it again. snowy owl May 2016 #15

If you took every penny from the upper 10% -- which would include many of your doctors, lawyers, Hoyt May 2016 #78

See below. You don't know taht. Just a meme that gets repeated. snowy owl May 2016 #116

Excepting minorities....and women. So basically, over half the population. nt msanthrope May 2016 #292

That dog whistle is so loud... scscholar May 2016 #5

That's what the Trump and to a much lesser extent yet he Sanders campaign all about Txbluedog May 2016 #14

Thanks for not reading the post Too many words fo ya? snowy owl May 2016 #64

Play as innocent as you want. barrow-wight May 2016 #275

This OP makes me sad mcar May 2016 #187

I remember the 1950s. greatauntoftriplets May 2016 #6

This. It was... onyourleft May 2016 #8

That was addressed in the post. snowy owl May 2016 #17

no, you didn't mention women PeaceNikki May 2016 #30

At my college orientation in 1967 greatauntoftriplets May 2016 #59

OH HELL YES. Hekate May 2016 #170

I'll never forget that day. greatauntoftriplets May 2016 #216

One of my first jobs mcar May 2016 #190

That happpened to my sister in the Chicago Public Schools. greatauntoftriplets May 2016 #193

Right? mcar May 2016 #203

Same here. greatauntoftriplets May 2016 #211

My mother lied about her due date with my older brother tammywammy May 2016 #204

Well said! mcar May 2016 #206

My father's mother also died in 1957 when I was 8. greatauntoftriplets May 2016 #219

Our neighbors across the street were both in the LAPD. She stuck it out till her 7th month... Hekate May 2016 #221

No, you didn't mention that women were expected to stay home barefoot and pregnant. greatauntoftriplets May 2016 #44

Ugh! Amaril May 2016 #98

Good for you! greatauntoftriplets May 2016 #100

You are awesome. Number23 May 2016 #238

Nice! Agschmid May 2016 #244

... mcar May 2016 #201

+100000 auntpurl May 2016 #33

My dad said it was a horrible time Dem2 May 2016 #47

So if you believe that, why did civil rights laws, Medicare, Medicaid, and other things get passed? denverbill May 2016 #144

. Dem2 May 2016 #147

I don't think you ever left. denverbill May 2016 #150

That's a personal attack Dem2 May 2016 #151

That's pretty funny. denverbill May 2016 #164

OK Dem2 May 2016 #168

You called the people that did all that good stuff "jerks" -right? snowy owl May 2016 #192

That was done in the 1960's, not the 1950's. blue neen May 2016 #283

Are you suggesting the turn of the decade from 1959-1960 marked some miraculous turning point? denverbill May 2016 #295

You said, "civil rights laws, Medicare, Medicaid" got passed in the 1950's. blue neen May 2016 #298

Social issue. You didn't read did you? snowy owl May 2016 #66

Yup. Agschmid May 2016 #124

LOL. snowy owl May 2016 #194

Wasn't so hot for small farm families either. They were jwirr May 2016 #188

The 50's included some pretty awful years of drought HereSince1628 May 2016 #289

Agreed. My memories are pretty good about the poverty and jwirr May 2016 #296

I don't want to go back to the times of AA segregation, sit at the back of the workinclasszero May 2016 #7

You can't change the truth of the post by skewing it your way. snowy owl May 2016 #21

and gays went to jail or worse for being gay dsc May 2016 #56

Bad time for gays. But you didn't read either. Gays = social issue. snowy owl May 2016 #67

We read the whole thing. We disagree with you. Stop implying that people who disagree with you are PeaceNikki May 2016 #75

We certainly did and do. greatauntoftriplets May 2016 #96

ANY black person that tells you the 1950s are better than today is trying to sell you something Number23 May 2016 #235

I can't hear your post over the dog whistles in the OP. nt msanthrope May 2016 #293

your address to "minorities" heaven05 May 2016 #255

Omg. barrow-wight May 2016 #277

In the 1950's, the US led the world in virtually everything. denverbill May 2016 #11

Learn from the past, plan for the future Raastan May 2016 #29

Racism, Jim Crow, Systematic oppression of minorities... philosslayer May 2016 #121

all you say is true heaven05 May 2016 #256

You can't be serious. If this post is sincere, it is very racially tone deaf. Cheese Sandwich May 2016 #13

I addressed minorities very clearly. Do you read posts or headlines? snowy owl May 2016 #22

I think you are deliberately trying to alienate black people Cheese Sandwich May 2016 #50

Blacks? You don't care about women, gays, Native Americans? Not so good for them snowy owl May 2016 #69

Wow. barrow-wight May 2016 #279

Thank you! bravenak May 2016 #272

You are one of Bernie's most vociferous supporters here. barrow-wight May 2016 #278

It wasn't better for minorities ECONOMICALLY -- except there were more jobs as maids. pnwmom May 2016 #16

All of which are social issues and I said the same thing. snowy owl May 2016 #24

No, they aren't social issues. They are ECONOMIC issues. The only people doing pnwmom May 2016 #27

No, they are social issues and yes are affected by ecoonomis as I said. snowy owl May 2016 #70

Wrong. The rising economic wealth of the 50's only lifted the boats of working white men. pnwmom May 2016 #132

Believe what you want to believe. Yes, for whites much better. Social prog. yet to evolve. snowy owl May 2016 #174

For white men but not white women -- unless they were happily married to successful men. n/t pnwmom May 2016 #176

I've thought about it heaven05 May 2016 #257

I am just floored. barrow-wight May 2016 #280

In other words, it was better for white males. PeaceNikki May 2016 #31

It's tunnel vision again. Duval May 2016 #142

None so blind as they who will not see. Hekate May 2016 #200

Bullshit. Not better for minorities. cali May 2016 #18

You read the headline, right? Now go back and read the post. snowy owl May 2016 #25

I read it. All things being equal is a phrase that minimizes cali May 2016 #35

This is the second Bernie supporter to call you out. barrow-wight May 2016 #281

I'm gobsmacked to see this crap here mcar May 2016 #205

We have lost track of so many things we did right. Waiting For Everyman May 2016 #20

No, it couldn't easily have been done. For instance, many middle class people then pnwmom May 2016 #26

That was not the norm and was not necessary to most. Waiting For Everyman May 2016 #32

It was much more common than today, among middle class white people. pnwmom May 2016 #39

Jane Austen? Bit silly. Waiting correct: it was not the norm. I lived it. snowy owl May 2016 #172

Given all of your caveats, for whom was it a better time? Starry Messenger May 2016 #23

For everybody. Rich and poor alike. Just like Burlington VT it was a better place snowy owl May 2016 #45

Burlington is a town of 40,000 people, mostly white. Starry Messenger May 2016 #102

They still have three major colleges in the area, they won't miss Burlington College too much. Agschmid May 2016 #126

I hope that is exactly what Jane Sanders uses as her answer Starry Messenger May 2016 #128

Most likely. Agschmid May 2016 #129

Are you really this obtuse? GulfCoast66 May 2016 #249

You are absolutely right about women's 3 career choices forcing the best & brightest women into them Hekate May 2016 #268

Why, thank you GulfCoast66 May 2016 #271

That guy needs to rethink his assumptions, but since he's had two posts hidden in this thread ... Hekate May 2016 #273

Post more. nt msanthrope May 2016 #294

Here's the last person I saw say that blacks had it better pre civil rights: barrow-wight May 2016 #282

Bullshit cali May 2016 #286

The pendulum between business and labor was in a better place One_Life_To_Give May 2016 #28

Union membership was at an all-time high, iirc. That meant blue-collar wage-earners could get ahead Hekate May 2016 #195

Unions are Part of the balance One_Life_To_Give May 2016 #290

Ri-fucking-diculous PeaceNikki May 2016 #34

So you're a headline reader as well. Too many like that on this site. snowy owl May 2016 #48

No, chief. You dismiss too many to be taken seriously. And you forgot women. PeaceNikki May 2016 #54

So, it's all about women? Social issue. Progress would have been made. snowy owl May 2016 #87

Angry? No, I am disgusted that you romanticize a time when so many were treated so much worse... PeaceNikki May 2016 #90

Watch out your being an "angry woman"... Men don't like that. Agschmid May 2016 #127

I know. It's so unladylike. PeaceNikki May 2016 #145

Women are a "social issue"? They're also half of the economy. And they weren't all lifted pnwmom May 2016 #133

I am literally laughing out loud. After all my efforts to write reasoned history-based responses... Hekate May 2016 #173

It's crazy. I guess men write with passion, women with angry emotionalism. PeaceNikki May 2016 #177

No question about it. Men also have hearty laughs, but women cackle. Men boom out... Hekate May 2016 #197

Men have convictions, women are stubborn. PeaceNikki May 2016 #199

It is seriously nuts. Hekate May 2016 #202

And why do we have to keep pointing this out? mcar May 2016 #208

Hey, I sent away for my woman card because -- well, we ALL know after a certain age. Hekate May 2016 #214

Post removed Post removed May 2016 #217

Wow. PeaceNikki May 2016 #220

wow? zappaman May 2016 #225

The OP is flagged for review now. Bye, Felicia. PeaceNikki May 2016 #226

But what about the five mouth breathers that rec'd this crap? Who I'm sure are the FIRST ones to Number23 May 2016 #248

Up to 7 now. Agschmid May 2016 #299

I wish I could respond to that hidden post with a hearty GFY cali May 2016 #288

That would certainly be an appropriate response. PeaceNikki May 2016 #291

+1 Agschmid May 2016 #300

I did too mcar May 2016 #223

The OP is flagged for review now so... PeaceNikki May 2016 #224

Hallelujah! mcar May 2016 #232

Ain't that the Goddess's own truth. Hekate May 2016 #229

You are such a darling, sweet person. Number23 May 2016 #243

Tell us how you really feel. I perceive you are holding back and bottling it all up. Hekate May 2016 #252

yep, me too heaven05 May 2016 #259

heaven!! Number23 May 2016 #274

What the ever loving fuck???? cali May 2016 #287

As a whole, the Left has NEVER been as progressive as they are today Sheepshank May 2016 #36

I don't think you can prove that. Read about Henry Wallace if you want to learn. snowy owl May 2016 #49

I get what you're trying to say, racially insensitive as it is forjusticethunders May 2016 #37

White males, you mean. PeaceNikki May 2016 #40

Did you read post? I don't think so but... snowy owl May 2016 #52

Thats a powerful statement workinclasszero May 2016 #131

Fantastic post. Number23 May 2016 #250

It was better for white men and white men only KingFlorez May 2016 #38

White males, you mean. PeaceNikki May 2016 #41

Yes, of course, my mistake. forjusticethunders May 2016 #42

You're right about that KingFlorez May 2016 #43

So did it work for Native Americans? Why only blacks? snowy owl May 2016 #53

You know damn well it didn't work for anyone but white men KingFlorez May 2016 #55

No, I don't. I grew up working class and both parents worked. Nice slogan. snowy owl May 2016 #79

ECONOMICALLY it wasn't better in the 50's - not even close! Corporate666 May 2016 #46

So for you it's all about "consumerism." You think tech woud not have progressed? snowy owl May 2016 #58

Funny that you can exclude women and POC and still imagine that "most people" bettyellen May 2016 #61

Your opinion. I disagree. snowy owl May 2016 #103

Having fewer to no rights at all was not better.... Only bettyellen May 2016 #118

Women and POC were restricted in choices and options, at work as well as in society. suffragette May 2016 #148

No, it's about standard of living. For you it's all about incorrect romanticism. Corporate666 May 2016 #83

Life much better for some. Much worse for others. That's the point. snowy owl May 2016 #104

The poor oppressed straight white males. PeaceNikki May 2016 #114

Wrong Corporate666 May 2016 #159

Life was better for some at the extreme expense of others. barrow-wight May 2016 #284

It pit us on a treadmill Armstead May 2016 #68

That's not even true. Waiting For Everyman May 2016 #76

Agree. Post notes Powell's initiation of corporatism. Should have said Seventies! snowy owl May 2016 #111

I would settle for pre Reagan Mnpaul May 2016 #137

The OP you are responding to mcar May 2016 #209

post war economy KT2000 May 2016 #51

Yes, the feds poured money into the economy. Why not? That's the point snowy owl May 2016 #60

No, for the average straight white man, it was better. Everyone else was fucked. PeaceNikki May 2016 #77

Or if you had sickness in the family, or catastrophe, or addiction. raging moderate May 2016 #186

nothing wrong with federal money KT2000 May 2016 #107

"The 50s were a better time, except for all those people for whom it was a bad time." gollygee May 2016 #62

Seriously wtf. Quayblue May 2016 #72

Is tthere equality now? snowy owl May 2016 #80

The seminal poster said black folk were better off too... DemocratSinceBirth May 2016 #84

I did not say that. Again, read more than headline. The point was Powell. snowy owl May 2016 #95

The 50s were not a better time ECONOMICALLY for everyone either. gollygee May 2016 #143

Look at the recs CorkySt.Clair May 2016 #157

I will give him the benefit of the doubt and just believe he didn't think it through. DemocratSinceBirth May 2016 #163

Except that he keeps replying and defending his "position" mcar May 2016 #213

Know who else constantly harped on the desire, "I want my country back"? Sheepshank May 2016 #65

All things were not equal, so it wasn't a better time Orangepeel May 2016 #71

Are things equal now? Greatest disparity between rich and poor ever. snowy owl May 2016 #85

As the daughter of a white small farmer I would have a hard jwirr May 2016 #207

Death of a Salesman is quite depressing for those who knew people caught in that trap. Hoyt May 2016 #245

The fifties weren't a better time for women, for people of color, for gays, and for Mexicans. DemocratSinceBirth May 2016 #73

Addressed. Read it. Too many words? snowy owl May 2016 #81

No, you poo-pooed it. PeaceNikki May 2016 #82

Sorry. Does not compute. snowy owl May 2016 #86

Yeah, we see that. You're dismissing everyone who's not a straight white male. PeaceNikki May 2016 #88

yes, I'm a straight white mail in disquise. Take a breath. snowy owl May 2016 #92

WTF? I am breathing just fine, sparky. PeaceNikki May 2016 #94

Now namecalling? snowy owl May 2016 #106

Lol, that's adorable. PeaceNikki May 2016 #108

Your patronizing attitude can not camouflage DemocratSinceBirth May 2016 #89

So, did you read the Powell piece? Doesn't that explain the difference? snowy owl May 2016 #91

I have seen the argument in this thread we were better off than most of the world. DemocratSinceBirth May 2016 #93

I agree with that completely. We've raped the entire third world. snowy owl May 2016 #99

Don't forget WW ll left much of Asia, Europe, and parts of Africa in ruin. DemocratSinceBirth May 2016 #101

What's your point? snowy owl May 2016 #105

The 50s were a great time for American straight white males. DemocratSinceBirth May 2016 #109

Problem is education: post correlated with Powell Piece. People no longer read nor comprehend snowy owl May 2016 #97

Holy shit, you are thick and arrogant as hell. People don't agree with you. deal with it. PeaceNikki May 2016 #110

Get over yourself. You sound like someone here for shock value. snowy owl May 2016 #112

You absolutely should, for sure. PeaceNikki May 2016 #113

Maybe you should stop dismissing how fucked up it was for everybody EXCEPT white men bravenak May 2016 #135

This ^ PeaceNikki May 2016 #146

Sing it! mcar May 2016 #231

+1000 heaven05 May 2016 #263

I was 6 years old in 1950. 16 in 1960. Tierra_y_Libertad May 2016 #117

I totally agree with your statement. Hungry poor? snowy owl May 2016 #122

I was five years old in 1950. snowy owl May 2016 #125

women were stuck in abusive relationship Fresh_Start May 2016 #119

Divorce was possible and happened. Social mores against divorce. snowy owl May 2016 #120

My mother divorced Fresh_Start May 2016 #149

I forgot to mention women but I did mention religion. It was hard for women. snowy owl May 2016 #162

I'm sorry for you too Fresh_Start May 2016 #218

That leaded gasoline sure tasted better than the crap we've got now! Warren DeMontague May 2016 #123

And in paint. Thanks for not reading post. snowy owl May 2016 #136

I can't think of jack shit that was "better" in the 1950s. Warren DeMontague May 2016 #140

Music was better! zappaman May 2016 #154

Thank God that Hipster Frank Sinatra fetishization seems to have abated a bit Warren DeMontague May 2016 #160

Ugh. zappaman May 2016 #166

Those crazy kids! mcar May 2016 #236

And it was fun bouncing around in the car with no seatbelts... greatauntoftriplets May 2016 #222

I grew up in the 70s, and I really miss not being able to go anywhere without being choked by Warren DeMontague May 2016 #228

Yeah, that was so much fun! greatauntoftriplets May 2016 #230

You mean the 1950s? ffr May 2016 #130

Agree. Two biggest problems: population; depleting resources (land,water,food,etc) snowy owl May 2016 #134

FDR Democrats vs. Reagan Democrats. senz May 2016 #138

Congresswoman, Sheila Jackson Lee (D) Texas, once said, "Republicans oasis May 2016 #139

Our government was progressive. The industrialized world was recovering from WWII devastation. pampango May 2016 #152

I don't disagree. But post points out influence of Powell. snowy owl May 2016 #156

The beginning of Ralph Nadir WhiteTara May 2016 #153

The 50's Democratic Party was the high-water mark of Strom Thurmond Tarc May 2016 #155

Yes. It was. Are minorities overall doing better now? snowy owl May 2016 #158

Yes. PeaceNikki May 2016 #161

Proof please. Explain if you can. snowy owl May 2016 #165

Civil rights, desegregation, same sex marriage, Lilly Ledbetter... PeaceNikki May 2016 #171

casting pearls....... heaven05 May 2016 #265

That you have to ask such a silly question shows how little you understand Tarc May 2016 #251

I see you modified a few things. But let me point out that after WW II "Rosie the Riveter" was fired Hekate May 2016 #167

Absolute truth. Outstanding. MerryBlooms May 2016 #169

Did not modify. Added edit. Life Magazine? C'mon. Depictions. Not reality. snowy owl May 2016 #179

LIFE magazine was the visual history of the time in part as we wanted to see ourselves... Hekate May 2016 #210

I'm trying to think what 1950's the op is talking about.... beachbumbob May 2016 #175

How about the 1950s which had lowest unemployment? For starters. snowy owl May 2016 #180

The 1950s gave birth to the Civil Rights movement. senz May 2016 #178

Thanks for saying it better! And GI Bill! snowy owl May 2016 #181

Yep. The Third Way/DLC Reagan lovers feared the rising American middle class senz May 2016 #183

Were you even alive then? MineralMan May 2016 #182

Born in '45. More than you need to know to make your case. Yes, I lived it. snowy owl May 2016 #184

In the fifties you were a kid. None of the problems were yours. PeaceNikki May 2016 #196

This jackalope is a full-time poster, okasha May 2016 #261

Well-spotted. As of this thread he is Flagged for Review.... Hekate May 2016 #270

well you may have lived it heaven05 May 2016 #266

What is going on here? KK9 May 2016 #185

Yes, the point was suppose dto be getting our party back. snowy owl May 2016 #189

I did... KK9 May 2016 #191

Post removed Post removed May 2016 #198

Welcome to DU. Sometimes the going gets weird. Hekate May 2016 #227

this is how more than a few people remember the 1950's dsc May 2016 #215

The most ignorant, tone deaf and embarassing thing I've seen in a long time here Number23 May 2016 #233

He's flagged for review so he gets a break. PeaceNikki May 2016 #234

I hope that all of the folks that brayed like mules when someone posted an opinon piece from a black Number23 May 2016 #237

It sails right over their heads. PeaceNikki May 2016 #239

And amen for that mcar May 2016 #240

Well they got locked out of their own thread so we may never understand... Agschmid May 2016 #242

I'll never understand anyway. This is just an extension of the screaming about "identity politics," Number23 May 2016 #246

I urged him to get off this thread and read what the women have been saying... Hekate May 2016 #247

You are out of your ever loving mind. The 50's sucked so bad that the 60's was a giant Bluenorthwest May 2016 #241

If the 50s were so wonderful, why did we need the Great Society programs in the 60s onenote May 2016 #253

lol La Lioness Priyanka May 2016 #254

I've got a slogan for you: Make America Great Again onenote May 2016 #258

+1 La Lioness Priyanka May 2016 #264

This is appalling. barrow-wight May 2016 #267

"We need to get back the Party of Bernie." Sparkly May 2016 #269

Yeah, when nobody had rights except white men. JTFrog May 2016 #276