2016 Postmortem

Sancho

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98. It's just a way to describe mass insanity....and people jumping on a meme.

Reply to cherokeeprogressive (Reply #65)

Sun May 29, 2016, 05:56 AM

May 2016

This entire email thing is created by the RW, and promoted on DU by Hillary Haters. Chances are that a bunch of the instigators are paid operatives/trolls.

I'm amazed that so many go crazy about "breaking the law" - just like "Obama was born in Africa". It seems obvious that any Secretary of State will use email, phones, and likely a few paper documents too!!

They all had to do that a part of the job. It really doesn't matter how secure all that pile of work is when it's subject to FOIA and routine!! Hillary could have sent smoke signals from a tower or talked on a radio show if she wanted - as long as she achieved her work. She was the only one who seemed to actually do that as far back as the last 3-4 SoSs.

The rush to condemn and claim there was a hugh crime is nuts. Has any SoS in the last couple decades been prosecuted? After Colin Powell and Condi Rice and their screw ups, it's had to imagine Hillary's 55,000 emails as a crime!

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Just a reminder. Hillary was not investigated by the ... [View all] LAS14 May 2016 OP

Soooo does this mean HRC wasn't lying for the last 15 months Press Virginia May 2016 #1

She wasn't lying. Life is complex. Too complex... LAS14 May 2016 #2

Then why, as of yesterday, did her story change? Press Virginia May 2016 #5

Because of the complexity, I guess. Live and Learn May 2016 #89

The defense of her lies is getting comical Press Virginia May 2016 #90

The world is complex. CanadaexPat May 2016 #10

If you can't send an e-mail from a computer, you definitely shouldn't be Press Virginia May 2016 #11

This message was self-deleted by its author silvershadow May 2016 #94

She totally lied. Words are complex. Too complex... cui bono May 2016 #13

LAS14 let me give you a clue rock May 2016 #66

Facts like the IG report prompting HRC's new story? Press Virginia May 2016 #74

SMDH... chervilant May 2016 #82

This message was self-deleted by its author silvershadow May 2016 #95

Indeed, chervilant May 2016 #111

the only people that life is complex for are people who have Exilednight May 2016 #104

Words are obviously too complex for Hillary and her supporters. That much is clear. Autumn May 2016 #117

She was allowed. They knew what she was doing and no one told her to stop. pnwmom May 2016 #21

This scscholar May 2016 #26

Not according to the IG report Press Virginia May 2016 #33

No,, the IG report confirmed that they let her continue using the server scscholar May 2016 #131

That's NOT what the report says. Press Virginia May 2016 #132

Then why did she change her story after the Press Virginia May 2016 #27

Of course it can be both. Originally, she said it was allowed because she THOUGHT pnwmom May 2016 #29

Then you're saying she lied in this quote? Press Virginia May 2016 #32

Kinda like when she said there was no classified and then changed it.... Bob41213 May 2016 #39

If it's not marked classified by the producing agency, then it's not classified. n/t pnwmom May 2016 #43

So if you take a classified memo and retype it without the markings, it's no longer classified? Bob41213 May 2016 #45

There is no evidence that they did that with any other Department's document. pnwmom May 2016 #46

Except the ones they say were classified from the start... Bob41213 May 2016 #52

Know nothings keep trying to sell the "not marked" lie...which is the third version Press Virginia May 2016 #58

But it's the best one because it's technically true... Bob41213 May 2016 #61

It ignores th content of the information and the source derived Press Virginia May 2016 #64

That was the Rethug McCullough's claim based on anonymous sources. pnwmom May 2016 #59

Better email the State Department because apparently they're hosting the RNC talking points now... Bob41213 May 2016 #63

And President Obama is appointing these rabid RWers to do Press Virginia May 2016 #68

So he submitted false information to congress? Do you have evidence of this? Press Virginia May 2016 #67

McCullough hasn't been as fair as Obama expected him to be. pnwmom May 2016 #72

So The affidavits were false? If the information originated in the IC Press Virginia May 2016 #73

There is no evidence that the information originated in the IC. Just that people in the IC pnwmom May 2016 #78

His report to congress says it was IC sourced information Press Virginia May 2016 #79

She didn't have a computer for email so how was she getting classified e-mails in her SCIF? Press Virginia May 2016 #53

With her blackberry.... Bob41213 May 2016 #55

Yep...which ran through the server she claimed had no classified information on it Press Virginia May 2016 #56

Yep. The "truth" seems to be evolving Press Virginia May 2016 #49

Rational human beings change their minds when new information comes to light. pnwmom May 2016 #84

a rational person wouldn't change their story after a year of telling it Press Virginia May 2016 #86

She did THINK it was allowed and the SC confirmed that they never told her to stop. pnwmom May 2016 #87

That's the new story. She previously said the SD confirmed it was allowed Press Virginia May 2016 #88

whats this new information? jonmac511 May 2016 #116

No, I am not. The State Department HAD confirmed that no one told her she couldn't use pnwmom May 2016 #42

She said the State Dept confirmed it was allowed. The IG Press Virginia May 2016 #47

They confirmed that they never objected to it -- which is one of the meanings of the word "allowed." pnwmom May 2016 #50

Yeah, and when people object, they get threatened... Bob41213 May 2016 #57

Especially with the Clintons and the way they twist the language Press Virginia May 2016 #71

That's NOT what she said. She REPEATEDLY said it was allowed under the rules Press Virginia May 2016 #62

It depends what the definition of is is. HooptieWagon May 2016 #83

Poor judgemnet? No advances in technology in the last few deades? The excuses are childish to the... slipslidingaway May 2016 #34

Email was new but it was fully available to Colin Powell. However, the 1950 records law pnwmom May 2016 #107

The 1950 law did not envision email per se - but it DID speak to retaining records. karynnj May 2016 #115

And Hillary retained her work related records and printed out paper copies as the law required. pnwmom May 2016 #123

That fact checks on old true statement.Clinton this week said Kerry using a private account first. karynnj May 2016 #126

Yes, that IS what HRC said for a year, but the IG report found otherwise - that is why newspeople karynnj May 2016 #106

What "otherwise" are you talking about? pnwmom May 2016 #122

Read the report karynnj May 2016 #124

Kerry FOLLOWED her. Rice and Albright didn't send any emails at all. So the relevant pnwmom May 2016 #125

Powell used BOTH an internal system that could be used internally only and a private account karynnj May 2016 #127

Hillary and Powell both used the SCIF classified system for classified documents and they both used pnwmom May 2016 #128

Not excusing Powell for not having the email a decade after he left office karynnj May 2016 #130

But she is being investigated. bobbobbins01 May 2016 #3

The Republicans engineer investigations of every Democratic President. It is what they do. n/t pnwmom May 2016 #22

Uh huh, and the Bernie supporters are the conspiracy theory nuts. bobbobbins01 May 2016 #37

Only the ones who buy into the Rethug conspiracies. n/t pnwmom May 2016 #41

Hillary Clinton is the poor victim again. Hillary Clinton is the poor victim again! Seeinghope May 2016 #80

She deleted her personal emails. Powell deleted all his personal emails AND all of his WORK emails. pnwmom May 2016 #81

Republicans control the FBI? Scootaloo May 2016 #60

A great many things have been investigated. That doesn't mean Arkansas Granny May 2016 #36

Yeah, I'll take my chances with the candidate who has had none. bobbobbins01 May 2016 #38

Hillary is toast Meteor Man May 2016 #4

And then there is the Berned Toast Zambero May 2016 #19

The Blemmings won't understand... Sancho May 2016 #6

Since everyone knows the lemming mass suicide over the cliff thing was a hoax, I wonder if people cherokeeprogressive May 2016 #28

Lemming actually do migrate and sometimes drown... Sancho May 2016 #40

Look up the word "may". cherokeeprogressive May 2016 #44

Are you apologizing? The metaphor is common and makes sense... Sancho May 2016 #54

Yeah. I may apologize. cherokeeprogressive May 2016 #65

It's just a way to describe mass insanity....and people jumping on a meme. Sancho May 2016 #98

Do you understand... tonedevil May 2016 #85

Yep..and you just explained why the server location doesn't matter! Sancho May 2016 #92

Thanks Sancho... tonedevil May 2016 #93

Then you know its no problem....because you assume that nothing is secret..it's all public!!! Sancho May 2016 #97

Just a reminder, she is under investigation by the FBI Matt_in_STL May 2016 #7

Hope springs eternal for the arrival of the Indictment Fairy... COLGATE4 May 2016 #51

and the justice department. nt hopemountain May 2016 #69

She knew full well she was breaking the rules Skink May 2016 #8

Powell was the first one, but his infractions were very small scale 99th_Monkey May 2016 #12

How can you possibly know what she was and wasn't conscious of? LAS14 May 2016 #16

Because she told internal State Dept. officials to zip their lips, or hit the road. 99th_Monkey May 2016 #18

His were much worse. He used a private account for all his work emails and then DELETED them pnwmom May 2016 #23

Post removed Post removed May 2016 #100

What are you saying was a lie? i can give you links but i need to know what you think pnwmom May 2016 #108

Powell didn't use a private server. Not the same situation. cui bono May 2016 #15

He did use a private one. The AOL account was on a private commercial server, not the governmental pnwmom May 2016 #25

He didn't erase 30,000 e-mails and withhold all of the e-mails until she had to be asked for them. Seeinghope May 2016 #75

He deleted ALL of his work-related emails. Every one of them. He didn't report how many there were. pnwmom May 2016 #76

Let's pretend what Powell did was worse. How does that make what Hillary did okay? cui bono May 2016 #118

It supports her position, and the State Departments, that she did what her predecessors had done pnwmom May 2016 #120

So you haven't read the report then. cui bono May 2016 #134

Yes, I have. nt pnwmom May 2016 #135

I bet AOL does more than unplug and replug their server when they see a hack attempt. cui bono May 2016 #119

Please show me any law or even regulation that distinguishes between a government pnwmom May 2016 #121

What does that have to do with anything? Hillary did something wrong. Seriously wrong. cui bono May 2016 #133

What do laws and regulations have to do with it? Pretty much everything. n/t pnwmom May 2016 #139

So why does Hillary keep ignoring them? cui bono May 2016 #140

So no apology? cui bono May 2016 #138

KNR Lucinda May 2016 #9

She is currently under investigation by the FBI. cui bono May 2016 #14

And Hillary flunked that investigation. Terribly I might add. NWCorona May 2016 #17

No. That she was investigated by an outside source means it's MORE legitimate, not less. Fawke Em May 2016 #20

The problem isn't as much with the actions, but the lies told since then. basselope May 2016 #24

No one can honestly say madville May 2016 #35

I am honestly saying that I don't think Hillary is a liar. LAS14 May 2016 #112

Then you are honestly wrong. cui bono May 2016 #136

Check this out and please rebut with specifics. LAS14 May 2016 #137

Just a reminder tymorial May 2016 #30

are you sure? It seems like they increase it Fast Walker 52 May 2016 #110

What's amaxing is how many "flaps" hillary gets and her koolaid drinkers still love her Bread and Circus May 2016 #31

I fail to see any relevance in you argument. Avalux May 2016 #48

Complex truth is an oxymoron??? I rest my case. LAS14 May 2016 #114

"complex" is hillary campaign meme hopemountain May 2016 #70

The difference I see HassleCat May 2016 #77

This cannot be repeated enough. Amazing the number of Sanders supporters who think the IG was anotherproletariat May 2016 #91

What Sanders supporters are those, pray tell? bvf May 2016 #96

Actually, it was about records keeping, FOIA & included email practices. & Hillary refused to cooper magical thyme May 2016 #99

Even Sanders said he was tired of hearing about her damn emails. Thinkingabout May 2016 #101

Yes! TeacherB87 May 2016 #102

Rec for the sub-thread in which a Hillary apoligist's "logic" is exposed as a distorted pretzel. Scuba May 2016 #103

seems as though it's you who is dismissing the truth. smiley May 2016 #105

the bigger point is that Trump will her destroy her with this issue, and she can't nuance it away Fast Walker 52 May 2016 #109

They do not care they were "flaps" only looking for a gotcha because their candidate too weak to win seabeyond May 2016 #113

Just a reminder. Hillary is being investigated by the FBI. Vinca May 2016 #129