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flamingdem

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37. Ohio may depend on the efforts of a journalist who requested info under the FOIA act

Sun Nov 4, 2012, 01:41 PM

Nov 2012

about those patches. They may or may not allow an injunction, if they don't they can possibly
steal the vote. Everything points in that direction though it's hard to believe they'd be so blatant.

A lot of the problems are very specific and rely on dedicated people and luck to get found out,
ballots found in garbage bins, "glitches".

I am not confident until I see Ohio in our column. I think we'd win Florida if it wasn't for dirty tricks.

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Really, enough of the handwringing and paranoia. TeamObama has tons of lawyers on the case. Enough. [View all] RBInMaine Nov 2012 OP

THANK YOU! n/t CaliforniaPeggy Nov 2012 #1

Amen! Blue Idaho Nov 2012 #2

What about those patches already in the voting machines. Are they going to monitor them too?..n/t monmouth Nov 2012 #3

You read my mind. Marmitist Nov 2012 #4

It's not paranoia if they're really after you duhneece Nov 2012 #7

yep, you see the problem. 2pooped2pop Nov 2012 #6

Check it out. proverbialwisdom Nov 2012 #69

thanks for that info. n/t 2pooped2pop Nov 2012 #77

you assume it is not possible to examine code and find the problem nini Nov 2012 #79

You know, can the finger wagging and take the hand off the hip.... Raster Nov 2012 #5

+1 Thank you. nt JudyM Nov 2012 #19

Too true. go west young man Nov 2012 #28

Considering what the Ohio Sec of State just did I think we have a problem. go west young man Nov 2012 #31

Hell, most people on this board don't even know there were riots and general unrest in OHIO.... Raster Nov 2012 #34

That was then. This is now. Time to grow a spine, project strength, & act like a WINNER. RBInMaine Nov 2012 #89

Grow a spine? Raster Nov 2012 #102

Hasn't helped when it comes to equal access to the polls... polichick Nov 2012 #8

Yeah, where have they been hiding all this time while supression has been ongoing? Coyotl Nov 2012 #9

Barking orders to other posters is easier than looking at the reality... polichick Nov 2012 #10

So, what do you think this ambiguous reality is? Coyotl Nov 2012 #11

The op is doing the barking - I agree with you... polichick Nov 2012 #13

I am SO TIRED of "they will steal it" threads. Makes us look insane. Logical Nov 2012 #12

Actually, they DID steal it in 2000 and 2004 - Dems were "insane"... polichick Nov 2012 #14

What happened in 2006 and 2008? D23MIURG23 Nov 2012 #63

According to some researchers Columbus Free Press Nov 2012 #64

Exactly. polichick Nov 2012 #72

I believe WHOLEHEARTEDLY there was fraud in 2008. The reason it was not successful was too many.... Raster Nov 2012 #74

Looks like your computational mathematician has a bunch more work to do... D23MIURG23 Nov 2012 #113

2008, KKKarl Rove's pet programmer started to be investigated just a few days before diane in sf Nov 2012 #99

+1 D23MIURG23 Nov 2012 #61

Learn from history... The Doctor. Nov 2012 #71

No solid evidence that OH was stolen in 04. Look, enough of the PARANOIA. RBInMaine Nov 2012 #91

Sorry, you are wrong! Raster Nov 2012 #104

Look up "Prima Facie", and "affidavit of sworn testimony". The Doctor. Nov 2012 #105

You'd think we'd have been sued for slander Columbus Free Press Nov 2012 #106

And again I want to apologize for misreading your posts and THANK YOU and the Free Press Team... Raster Nov 2012 #108

This is Ohio Columbus Free Press Nov 2012 #110

Actually what makes us look insane is to pretend that it isn't happening, against all good evidence. Raster Nov 2012 #75

Come Wednesday we will see how many cases we have of it. Logical Nov 2012 #80

RIGHT ! Be ready for shenanigans, yes. But this PARANOIA SHIT is RIDICULOUS. RBInMaine Nov 2012 #90

We have every reason to be gravely concerned. CrispyQ Nov 2012 #15

So go to your local Obama or Democratic headquarters and start making telephone calls. JDPriestly Nov 2012 #17

Because I'm concerned means I'm not doing my part? CrispyQ Nov 2012 #21

One of the reasons for volunteering in the GOTV effort is to remind Democrats JDPriestly Nov 2012 #87

Or maybe it's because the dems have not addressed the very serious issue of electronic voting. CrispyQ Nov 2012 #111

You're correct. We do have every reason to be gravely concerned. Texin Nov 2012 #52

SEND them here: Eleventh-Hour GOP Voter Suppression Could Swing Ohio (The Nation) Coyotl Nov 2012 #16

The paranoia ignores the real effort to steal the election gravity Nov 2012 #18

I agree; its important to separate the tactics they are demonsterably using... D23MIURG23 Nov 2012 #65

There are two main differences between 2000/2004 and 2012. Jennicut Nov 2012 #20

I don't think the repug will steal it, but I think they will try. They have to. Raster Nov 2012 #22

Was KKKarl involved in the 2008 election? ailsagirl Nov 2012 #66

Oh yes. KKKarl was involved. He had his for-profit consultancy. Raster Nov 2012 #67

Damn that man!!!!!!! ailsagirl Nov 2012 #68

kkkarl slithered out of the same nixonian nest of vipers that beget atwater, among others. Raster Nov 2012 #70

Atwater was VILE ailsagirl Nov 2012 #78

That's right, GOTV. Action conquers fear. Those I know who are GOTV are confident. freshwest Nov 2012 #40

Right. Show some STRENGTH, CONFIDENCE, BACKBONE, and ACT LIKE WINNERS for a change. RBInMaine Nov 2012 #97

SPOT ON ! THANKS ! The handwringing and paranoia need to STOP. It is WASTED energy. RBInMaine Nov 2012 #93

I'm glad your attempt to steer the conversation away from GOP election trickery is being rebuffed. philly_bob Nov 2012 #23

The rethuglicans have to try. That is all they have. Raster Nov 2012 #25

2,500 lawers just in OHIO alone... GOBAMA! secondwind Nov 2012 #24

My Obama Landslide thread is the antidote to all that worrywart stuff johnlucas Nov 2012 #26

Thanks, but I think I'll keep hand-wringing anyway.................nft plethoro Nov 2012 #27

This line of thinking is pretty soundly debunked Columbus Free Press Nov 2012 #29

Sorry, it gives a bit more hope and silver lining, but "solidly debunked"? I think not. Raster Nov 2012 #38

We dont say I told you so Columbus Free Press Nov 2012 #49

Dude, already there. But please, don't act like electoral fraud is out of the realm of possibility. Raster Nov 2012 #51

As to the topic of voter suppression Columbus Free Press Nov 2012 #50

So, please correct me if wrong, but aren't you somewhat intimating that you are speaking.... Raster Nov 2012 #53

I think you're misreading what CFP is saying. allrevvedup Nov 2012 #54

Thank you. If I am misreading, I stand corrected. I think there is everything to be.... Raster Nov 2012 #55

I think the strategy is to win without Ohio and Florida. allrevvedup Nov 2012 #56

Excuse my language: I cannot fucking believe that we are going through the same shit... Raster Nov 2012 #58

Perhaps you've missed the point Columbus Free Press Nov 2012 #62

Democracy and fairness for one, democracy and fairness for all. Raster Nov 2012 #73

Yep. And he's going to need Ohio, Florida, VA, or CO allrevvedup Nov 2012 #88

Not just Ohio Columbus Free Press Nov 2012 #57

Arrggghhhhhhhhhhhhhhh............ Raster Nov 2012 #59

Fraud is very rare. Yes, be READY for issues, but I am saying don't be PARANOID. Because that is RBInMaine Nov 2012 #92

And exactly how do lawyers monitor hidden tabulation software? SHRED Nov 2012 #30

I hope there are plenty of computer geeks who can tell when a patch is applied to software or votes judesedit Nov 2012 #32

Yep, we need both lawyers and computer geeks LeftInTX Nov 2012 #41

Prison anyone is a nice thing to say, BUT......... socialist_n_TN Nov 2012 #42

One thing a lot of people refuse to admit on EVoting is this time the media is on it.... Spitfire of ATJ Nov 2012 #33

A Democratic Poll Observer underthematrix Nov 2012 #35

Still not aware of the fact that the 2004 election was stolen? Check out Clinton Curtis testifying judesedit Nov 2012 #36

Ohio may depend on the efforts of a journalist who requested info under the FOIA act flamingdem Nov 2012 #37

Oh yeah. Lawyering up is going to help SO MUCH....... socialist_n_TN Nov 2012 #39

Can the paranoid defeatism please end. There really is a spine inside the human back you know. RBInMaine Nov 2012 #95

John Lucas's powerful thread here: freshwest Nov 2012 #43

I think with the many, many cases of justice not being served or even attempted, there is bloomington-lib Nov 2012 #44

Amen!!!!! skeewee08 Nov 2012 #45

thats the truth. DCBob Nov 2012 #46

Hope they are a hell of a lot smarter than the 10,000 Kerry had. pocoloco Nov 2012 #47

or more motivated or something nilram Nov 2012 #48

K&R D23MIURG23 Nov 2012 #60

if you think having lawyers on the case is enough, Doctor_J Nov 2012 #76

open your eyes reusrename Nov 2012 #81

Oh, fer fuck sakes, this is DU! We all specialize in handwringing. It would be fucking madinmaryland Nov 2012 #82

I've been here about 10 years. I remember the handwringing in 2004..."don't worry, the Kerry... Raster Nov 2012 #83

Showing STRENGTH and CONFIDENCE and acting like WINNERS would be a nice change of pace. RBInMaine Nov 2012 #94

I heard this on MSNBC today: Dem lawyers everywhere. lindysalsagal Nov 2012 #84

We were told the same thing in 2004. IDoMath Nov 2012 #85

No solid evidence of vote stealing. Kerry was behind a bit in all polls and predictive models. RBInMaine Nov 2012 #96

Except for the exit polls, and the EV predictions. allrevvedup Nov 2012 #98

There was tons of statistical evidence for vote stealing in Ohio in 2004. We followed it on DU diane in sf Nov 2012 #100

Thank you, and there you go with those pesky facts and figures... Raster Nov 2012 #103

Are you forgetting Michael Connell? TroyD Nov 2012 #109

updates Columbus Free Press Nov 2012 #86

Go Free Press Team, GO! Sue the bastard! Raster Nov 2012 #101

I've got my xanax ready Ineeda Nov 2012 #107

Yes. Exactly. n/t AverageJoe90 Nov 2012 #112