2016 Postmortem

Lurks Often

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29. The denial from a small group of Clinton supporters is disturbing

Reply to nadinbrzezinski (Original post)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 12:58 PM

Jun 2016

The FBI & DOJ did not give immunity to Pagliano unless they first have proof that Pagliano committed one or more felonies AND feel Pagliano's testimony can get them a felony conviction of someone higher up then him.

The FBI & DOJ did not extradite "Guccifer" from Romania and apparently give him a plea deal in exchange for testimony unless they feel "Guccifer's" testimony will lead to a felony conviction of someone involved in the server investigation, whether that is Hillary, Blumenthal or a senior Clinton aide remains to be seen. A felony conviction of Blumenthal or a senior Clinton aide would be very damaging to her campaign.

The FBI/DOJ investigation has been going on since August of 2015, the FBI & DOJ are NOT going to waste roughly 10 months of time, money and personnel resources if there was nothing there.

I do believe there is something this investigation. I don't think Sanders can win a general election and no Clinton supporter who refuses to even consider there could be something to this investigation is in denial and is not going to change my mind or get an answer.

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The Weapons of Mass Destruction and the FBI investigation [View all] nadinbrzezinski Jun 2016 OP

I don't think it's a big deal exactly because you think it is. LexVegas Jun 2016 #1

It is not me you have to worry about nadinbrzezinski Jun 2016 #2

What you have to worry about is Dems trying to be purists. GOP doesn't do that. They stick Jitter65 Jun 2016 #134

Actually you are wrong about JW, they did during the Bush the lesser reigh nadinbrzezinski Jun 2016 #155

+1000. nt sufrommich Jun 2016 #3

It is not me who you have to worry about nadinbrzezinski Jun 2016 #4

"Certain elements may try to stretch this beyond what it is." Ichingcarpenter Jun 2016 #39

lol treestar Jun 2016 #146

Good LORD you nailed that. Number23 Jun 2016 #154

I`m absolutely certain that democrank Jun 2016 #5

Yup nadinbrzezinski Jun 2016 #7

I expect Republicans to break the law and get away with it... Yurovsky Jun 2016 #22

Yes, that is what would happen mindwalker_i Jun 2016 #37

And that is the crux nadinbrzezinski Jun 2016 #79

I see it more as people twisting their minds to support who they've decided to support mindwalker_i Jun 2016 #109

Slightly disagree nadinbrzezinski Jun 2016 #112

Could be mindwalker_i Jun 2016 #113

Yes. 840high Jun 2016 #91

But, let's face it, our presumptive nominee is a de facto republican in many ways Doctor_J Jun 2016 #158

^^ This ^^ Scuba Jun 2016 #160

"If HRC gets indicted that will be fun to watch." Nadine. NCTraveler Jun 2016 #6

And I stand by it nadinbrzezinski Jun 2016 #8

"The reaction here will be a joke on you guys. " NCTraveler Jun 2016 #19

I am not the one screaming from the rafters nothing burger nadinbrzezinski Jun 2016 #50

"I am not the one screaming from the rafters nothing burger" NCTraveler Jun 2016 #55

Continue to laugh. nadinbrzezinski Jun 2016 #58

Now you are flat out lying. NCTraveler Jun 2016 #71

Problems reading? Third rate burglary = watergate nadinbrzezinski Jun 2016 #72

"People like you, a few, they are dying off, still continue to claim it was the Lib'ral press" NCTraveler Jun 2016 #75

The connection to watergate nadinbrzezinski Jun 2016 #78

I appreciate your understanding and compassion. NCTraveler Jun 2016 #81

I understood it perfectly the first time I read it. ieoeja Jun 2016 #118

I get it why that poster did though nadinbrzezinski Jun 2016 #138

I don't know about you but I get a big 'ol belly laugh every time I see how much Maru Kitteh Jun 2016 #51

Like 2003 and WMDs yes I am not blinded nadinbrzezinski Jun 2016 #53

"don't care" "aren't bothered" "no need to respond to me" "I warned you" NCTraveler Jun 2016 #56

Don't worry about me nadinbrzezinski Jun 2016 #60

I have zero intentions of putting you on igore. NCTraveler Jun 2016 #62

Good I know I don't decide nadinbrzezinski Jun 2016 #67

lol - it is very amusing - but . . . Maru Kitteh Jun 2016 #63

IKR? PeaceNikki Jun 2016 #68

Well said! PeaceNikki Jun 2016 #16

very spot on demtenjeep Jun 2016 #167

The emails are exactly like the war in Iraq. I can't think of a single difference. Not one! YouDig Jun 2016 #9

Actually people's lives were out at risk nadinbrzezinski Jun 2016 #11

Because of the emails, people's lives were at risk. You really believe that, don't you. YouDig Jun 2016 #14

Sources and methods were exposed. nadinbrzezinski Jun 2016 #18

Exposed to whom? randome Jun 2016 #28

By Hillary Rotham Clinton nadinbrzezinski Jun 2016 #30

Exposed TO whom? You have no evidence that any data was stolen or intercepted. randome Jun 2016 #32

But Guccifer does nadinbrzezinski Jun 2016 #34

Guccifer. Right. Just like Assange said he would release the banking 'poison pill' files. randome Jun 2016 #40

So like Bryan Paggliano you think the plea deal nadinbrzezinski Jun 2016 #44

I don't know why he received a plea deal. Neither do you. randome Jun 2016 #48

It could be anybody. nadinbrzezinski Jun 2016 #54

I never said he was given immunity for "shits and grins". randome Jun 2016 #90

For the record nadinbrzezinski Jun 2016 #105

Well, it surely wasn't to give him a picnic to take to the park. libdem4life Jun 2016 #85

Are you paid by the post or by the hour? Matt_R Jun 2016 #161

The OP is comparing Hillary's emails to the war in Iraq, and you're asking me that? YouDig Jun 2016 #162

This message was self-deleted by its author Matt_R Jun 2016 #164

Thats not how I read it, but I have seen your handle pop up... Matt_R Jun 2016 #165

I don't think there is as much 'blind loyalty' as you want to believe in. randome Jun 2016 #24

If you understand national security, FOIA, and other issues at play nadinbrzezinski Jun 2016 #27

First, there is no evidence national security was compromised. randome Jun 2016 #31

Third you do not understand any of this. nadinbrzezinski Jun 2016 #36

Yes, only nadinbrzenzinski is capable of understanding stuff like this. randome Jun 2016 #42

!!! zappaman Jun 2016 #57

Actually those with a clue, not you nadinbrzezinski Jun 2016 #65

tje election? tje rest? PeaceNikki Jun 2016 #76

Someone alerted this post LiberalLovinLug Jun 2016 #92

Ha! I have never alerted on anyone and I doubt I ever will. randome Jun 2016 #96

Not surprised nadinbrzezinski Jun 2016 #107

It's very technical and SERIOUS, and you don't understand, ok? Maru Kitteh Jun 2016 #73

Well my dear it is nadinbrzezinski Jun 2016 #74

I think the personal attacks are childish, at best. I'd consider delete. libdem4life Jun 2016 #83

Annoying sense of superiority, sure. randome Jun 2016 #89

Everyone has their specialty...ask me how to teach a first grader to read, libdem4life Jun 2016 #93

That seems like the wise course to take in just about every debate. randome Jun 2016 #95

I liked your definition of a liberal. St Aug girl Jun 2016 #106

Thank you. It's served me well and kept me out of a lot of family drama. libdem4life Jun 2016 #114

The DU'ers who tend To laught nadinbrzezinski Jun 2016 #94

Booking marking for later when I have more time to read it. emulatorloo Jun 2016 #10

Third is that humans act in contemptible ways when blinded by loyalty nadinbrzezinski Jun 2016 #12

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It is not me you got to worry about nadinbrzezinski Jun 2016 #15

This message was self-deleted by its author PeaceNikki Jun 2016 #17

I know that. I am sorry I worried about you during Wisconsin by the way nadinbrzezinski Jun 2016 #21

Roll on. PeaceNikki Jun 2016 #25

The person who once said about the hundreds on their ignore list.. zappaman Jun 2016 #59

She did. Now she's sorry she did. PeaceNikki Jun 2016 #64

Post removed Post removed Jun 2016 #80

Awww. PeaceNikki Jun 2016 #82

What a masterful and well-thought out reply. libdem4life Jun 2016 #84

Change your name to WarNikki, you support the hawk candidate. BillZBubb Jun 2016 #115

Lol. No. PeaceNikki Jun 2016 #117

'this must be human nature, the denial from core supporters becomes far more strident.' elleng Jun 2016 #20

Good image. So why is it that some of us can see this shit? nadinbrzezinski Jun 2016 #23

Damned if I know, nadin. elleng Jun 2016 #26

Too emotionally connected. mmonk Jun 2016 #41

i make a point of not investing myself nadinbrzezinski Jun 2016 #47

The denial from a small group of Clinton supporters is disturbing Lurks Often Jun 2016 #29

They are acting tne way true believers act nadinbrzezinski Jun 2016 #33

and Trump is supposed to appear in court on fraud charges G_j Jun 2016 #35

Yup, and that one I gotta download court documents and start reading. nadinbrzezinski Jun 2016 #38

omg, you get to go to the hearing? Can't wait for your report back. 2banon Jun 2016 #127

I will try nadinbrzezinski Jun 2016 #131

that would be something! G_j Jun 2016 #152

It will be a media circus... ah the trolley stop is near. Because parking will be crazee nadinbrzezinski Jun 2016 #153

From what I understand G_j Jun 2016 #159

Here is a blatant example of the denial taking, Bernstein can't help but laugh. Uncle Joe Jun 2016 #43

You welcome nadinbrzezinski Jun 2016 #46

She's gonna be a wartime president too. lumberjack_jeff Jun 2016 #45

It is the neocon... nadinbrzezinski Jun 2016 #77

Is there a viable suggestion somewhere in that novel? Tarc Jun 2016 #49

Sorry Charlie this has nada to do with Bernie Sanders nadinbrzezinski Jun 2016 #52

Wut?... SidDithers Jun 2016 #61

This ladies and gentlemen LiberalLovinLug Jun 2016 #87

It is the lack of self awareness nadinbrzezinski Jun 2016 #88

Well I'll be!! G_j Jun 2016 #99

Someday DU will become an interesting place once again. gordianot Jun 2016 #66

The problem is that this was going to be low turnout already nadinbrzezinski Jun 2016 #69

What indicated to you that some were starting to get it? mmonk Jun 2016 #98

Conversations nadinbrzezinski Jun 2016 #103

K&R EndElectoral Jun 2016 #70

K&R Neo cons and neo liberals felix_numinous Jun 2016 #86

I think that would be the anti-imperial crowd they hold in mutual disdain nolabels Jun 2016 #97

Sad, but true. libdem4life Jun 2016 #102

Good insight felix_numinous Jun 2016 #104

KICK Juicy_Bellows Jun 2016 #100

Thank you, Nadin. Maedhros Jun 2016 #101

small quibble with an important point... (to me) 2banon Jun 2016 #108

Not a minor point nadinbrzezinski Jun 2016 #110

that moment confirmed what I had come to suspect, but others long before had known 2banon Jun 2016 #122

For me it was 2000 nadinbrzezinski Jun 2016 #124

yep. but "nader" 2banon Jun 2016 #129

Unfortunatly if Al Gore had been a stronger candidate, Naderites would not have mattered. n/t Matt_R Jun 2016 #163

15 more days nt geek tragedy Jun 2016 #111

15 more days until we can live in denial. basselope Jun 2016 #116

we're not going to lose, and those whose only contribution is to say " it's not worth it to win" and geek tragedy Jun 2016 #119

Hillary Clinton has no viable path to the presidency basselope Jun 2016 #121

Lol wut? She won the voting with solid majorities of votes and all categories of pledged delegates. geek tragedy Jun 2016 #123

She meant the presidential election in Nov nadinbrzezinski Jun 2016 #125

that's still an emotional reading of the current political landscape rather than one supported geek tragedy Jun 2016 #126

My read is that she will not nadinbrzezinski Jun 2016 #128

where'd you get your law degree? nt geek tragedy Jun 2016 #132

So the FBI is doing all this for shits and gigles nadinbrzezinski Jun 2016 #133

so in your opinion every FBI investigation results in a prosecution. nt geek tragedy Jun 2016 #135

In my opinion investigatuisn of this type nadinbrzezinski Jun 2016 #137

what plea deals have been granted? geek tragedy Jun 2016 #139

Here you go, the actual plea deal nadinbrzezinski Jun 2016 #140

wait, you think the only reason they took a plea deal from Guccifer geek tragedy Jun 2016 #145

I did not say that, *YOU DID* nadinbrzezinski Jun 2016 #147

that's exactly right. Bookmarking this thread to revisit to see if the great oracle is correct still_one Jun 2016 #130

I am. basselope Jun 2016 #143

Actually, it is a very thoughtful analysis based on the current political landscape. basselope Jun 2016 #141

bookmarking nt geek tragedy Jun 2016 #142

Please do. But don't cry to me when I turn out to be right. basselope Jun 2016 #144

Those who come into a thread to taunt, ridicule, and feign superiority senz Jun 2016 #120

This message was self-deleted by its author LiberalArkie Jun 2016 #136

Nobody can convince them that the facts go against sadoldgirl Jun 2016 #148

Critical point nadinbrzezinski Jun 2016 #149

Back when this was an important issue on DU Mnpaul Jun 2016 #150

My my some of those posters are familiar nadinbrzezinski Jun 2016 #151

yes, we "forward thinked" through it all G_j Jun 2016 #156

Like Her Majesty, they've evolved on the issue. If she does it, it's OK. Simple right? BillZBubb Jun 2016 #157

Thanks for the links. Matt_R Jun 2016 #166

Here's what I think ContinentalOp Jun 2016 #168