2016 Postmortem

1StrongBlackMan

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18. And you would be incorrect in your thought ...

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 01:36 PM

Jun 2016

my "pit(ting) social justice against economic justice" began long before I had even given a thought to Sanders. That is easily researched.

That was a false dichotomy in which you were asking people to choose who has to die, PoC or poor people, when in fact, the two are intertwined and can easily be fought for at the same time, which makes the most sense anyway.

That's a bullshit frame ... as those "fighting the 1%/"Oligarchs" are neither poor, nor in danger of dying. You want to pretend that it's about those poor, poor impoverished people ... but, it's really about your own purse.

Here's a thought experiment (that requires a measure of self-honesty): Would your fight be the same if the 1%/Oligarchy, "put a dollar in the poor's pocket" fight set the bar, $1.00 below what you currently earn?

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Exchange between Bill Clinton and New Mexico Resident Illustrates Deceptive Framing of Key Issues [View all] Baobab May 2016 OP

If I am reading this correctly Uponthegears May 2016 #1

No, he's saying Bill Clinton cited misleading statistics Eric J in MN Jun 2016 #12

Democratic Party did so much better with the policies of FDR, holding majorities in Congress for highprincipleswork May 2016 #2

Words don't describe the damage they have done to this country. Baobab May 2016 #3

Why do you insist on promoting the same myth ... over, and over, again ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2016 #4

While what you say is true, it doesn't negate the fact that ALL people are doing worse after cui bono Jun 2016 #8

I assume PoC benefitted in the end from Social Security and Medicare and numerous other programs highprincipleswork Jun 2016 #9

No one is saying ending or diluting these programs; but, if you haven't heard of ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2016 #14

There is talk about PoC being the most rational of all this year, and I hate to say it, but highprincipleswork Jun 2016 #15

Okay ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2016 #17

Thank you so much for your thoughtful and generous answer. highprincipleswork Jun 2016 #19

Discussed here... cui bono Jun 2016 #16

And you would be incorrect in your thought ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2016 #18

I never saw it until you constantly used it to smear Bernie. But let's drop that. cui bono Jun 2016 #20

Yes ... Let's move to you making up stuff I didn't say, nor, have ever thought ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2016 #22

You didn't address anything I said and now you are pretty much calling me a liar. cui bono Jun 2016 #23

Yes I did ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2016 #24

I'm not an economic primacy advocate. I advocate for everything as I have just said in my posts cui bono Jun 2016 #31

We cannot have another NewDeal today, all of the things done are against international private law. Baobab Jun 2016 #25

Yeah, so much more that needs to be done now to fix this country. cui bono Jun 2016 #35

First of all, look at the chart and you will see that what I am promoting in this post is no myth - highprincipleswork Jun 2016 #10

"I plan to vote for Jill Stein" oberliner May 2016 #5

Seems like a Bernie or Bust chap! riversedge Jun 2016 #26

Taken out of context.... why don't you refer to the actual quote... Raster Jun 2016 #28

I was just saying the writer could've started with that oberliner Jun 2016 #29

Except that wasn't the point and it's not an OpEd it's an interview. cui bono Jun 2016 #32

Q: What happened? What did you ask? And were you satisfied with President Clinton’s responses, Josh? oberliner Jun 2016 #33

That's what you would like, but then he would not be answering the question. cui bono Jun 2016 #34

I'm just saying he could've led with that oberliner Jun 2016 #36

Again though, there's no reason to start that way. It shouldn't matter unless one wants to prejudge cui bono Jun 2016 #38

Just watching this now. AtomicKitten May 2016 #6

Can anyone post the video? AtomicKitten May 2016 #7

Under Clinton at least within the Federal government, Affirmative Action and Equal Employment Jitter65 Jun 2016 #11

here's the video AtomicKitten Jun 2016 #13

He is a Bernie or Bust mentality riversedge Jun 2016 #27

Which means what exactly? Is it that he found Bill's answers validate everything you've read here AtomicKitten Jun 2016 #30

K&R + some more history bobthedrummer Jun 2016 #21

He knows what's up. The bullshit rhetoric and tortured statistics the new Dems use vintx Jun 2016 #37