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Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
66. 1) It's not accurate to say ALL unions back HRC
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 02:52 PM
Jun 2016

Here is a list of those who back Bernie

Here is a list of Bernie's many labor endorsements:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Bernie_Sanders_presidential_campaign_endorsements%2C_2016

APWU – American Postal Workers Union, representing 250,000
ATU – Amalgamated Transit Union, representing 190,000
CWA – Communication Workers of America, representing 700,000
ILWU – International Longshore and Warehouse Union, representing 50,000
NNU – National Nurses United, representing 185,000
NUHW – National Union of Healthcare Workers, representing 11,000
UE – United Electrical, Radio and Machine Workers of America, representing 35,900

State, regional, and local divisions

AFL-CIO – American Federation of Labor and Congress of Industrial Organizations: VT, SC
AFGE – American Federation of Government Employees: National Union for Social Security Workers (Council 220)
AFSCME – American Federation of State, County and Municipal Employees: WA, WI and Locals 2724, 2057, and 25 (MI)
AFT – American Federation of Teachers: Locals 1474, 1931, 1966, 1990, 2023, 2034, 2141, 2199, 2226, and 6366 (CA)
CTU – Chicago Teachers Union: Caucus Of Rank-and-file Educators (CORE)
IAIW – International Association of Bridge, Structural, Ornamental and Reinforcing Iron Workers: Local 7 (MA)
IBEW – International Brotherhood of Electrical Workers: Locals 2222, 2304, 2313, 2320, 2321, 2322, 2323, 2324, 2325, 2326, 2327, 159, 357, 440, 490, 776, 1837, 1228, and 113 (MA, RI, CA, ME, VT, NH, NV, SC, WI, CO)
IBT – International Brotherhood of Teamsters: Local One-L, Pennsylvania Federation Brotherhood of Maintenance of Way Employes Division
IFPTE – International Federation of Professional and Technical Engineers: Local 70 (DC)
NEA – National Education Association: VT
PASNAP – Pennsylvania Association of Staff Nurses and Allied Professionals
SEIU – Service Employees International Union: Locals 560 and 1984 (NH)
TWU – Transport Workers Union of America: Local 100
UBC – United Brotherhood of Carpenters: Locals 1503 (OR)
UFCW – United Food and Commercial Workers International Union: Local 5 (CA)
UH – UNITE HERE: NY, CT, RI, MA, VT, NH, ME, and Locals 2, 30, 49, 54, and 2850 (CA, NJ)
USW – United Steelworkers: Local 310, 1999, 2003 (IA, IN)
UURWAW – United Union of Roofers, Waterproofers and Allied Workers: Local 36 (CA)

2) It's not a bad thing that Bernie appeals to college students. McGovern didn't lose because he had college support-he lost because the party regulars abandoned him. We don't have to nominate people who don't connect to the young. People who hate the young and don't want them to have a say are going to be totally right-wing.

3)The Cold War is in the long-dead past. And Bernie never defended any of the bad things that happened unde the Sandinstas or Fidel(the Sandinistas were much less dogmatic than the Cuban regime and most Americans never actually supported the Contra war-or the coups against Allende and Arbenz, or the Kennedy obsession with ending the Cuban Revolution and putting the rich back in power in Havana). He only endorsed the good things-the free education and healthcare programs. There was never a progressive, humane, positive agenda behind anathemizing Cuba and Nicaragua, for that matter. Nothing got better for anyone but the rich in Nicaragua when the people were bullied into voting the Sandinstas out in 1990...and, while Cuba needs free speech and an end to repression, nothing good would come to the people there from putting the place through Eastern European-style "shock therapy&quot such as mass privatization, mass layoffs and massive cuts in state benefits).

5)The issues that hurt McGovern in '72 were his support of reproductive choice, gay rights, school desegregation and marijuana decriminalization, and his support of civil liberties and the rights of the accused against Nixon's "law and order" racebaiting. The country was with McGovern on getting out of Vietnam, increased environmental protection and doing more to fight poverty and protect working people.

So again, the lessons are that Bernie's campaign is not the McGovern campaign. that Democrats don't have to keep young people out in the cold to win, and that the country is much more progressive, anti-corporate, pro-LGBTQ, pro-choice, pro-woman and antiwar than it was in the backlash year of '72.

If it weren't, Trump(who is basically Nixon-as-a-bad-insult comic)would be thirty points ahead of either Bernie OR HRC).

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Because it is her turn. That's why. Matt_in_STL Jun 2016 #1
You forget millions of votes and hundereds of delegates. nt. NCTraveler Jun 2016 #5
You truly believe this is how we should pick our nominee? Truly? NCTraveler Jun 2016 #2
Weaker candidate??? The GOP would tear Bernie apart. tonyt53 Jun 2016 #3
Right Meteor Man Jun 2016 #9
Uh, time for a history lesson, McGovern ran in 1972 against Nixon and the similarities are striking. tonyt53 Jun 2016 #13
No, they aren't striking at all. Bernie has NOTHING in common with McGovern Ken Burch Jun 2016 #23
Bernie is more like Mondale who also ran on raising taxes on the middle class redstateblues Jun 2016 #38
A closer analogy-but there was more to Mondale's humiliating defeat than that. Ken Burch Jun 2016 #50
Really? The McGovern campaign reminds me a great deal of the Sanders campaign Gothmog Jun 2016 #56
It's not as though we'd have done better in '72 Ken Burch Jun 2016 #67
Yes, the similarities are striking. McGovern wooed college students the most. tonyt53 Jun 2016 #57
1) It's not accurate to say ALL unions back HRC Ken Burch Jun 2016 #66
Excellent, Accurate, and just otherwise Spot On, Ken.. 2banon Jun 2016 #64
done(with modifications) Ken Burch Jun 2016 #68
Hillary, too. libdem4life Jun 2016 #26
But the attack ads on Sanders write themselves Gothmog Jun 2016 #61
voters over 50 may prefer Hillary to Bernie, that doesn't mean they wouldn't prefer Bernie to Trump thesquanderer Jun 2016 #19
"will ever vote for a socialist" JonLeibowitz Jun 2016 #34
I'm nearly 50 (46) and my Mom and Step-Mom are in their late 60s. Fawke Em Jun 2016 #53
The GOP has nothing on Sanders AgingAmerican Jun 2016 #58
BUT SHE'S AHEAD! MisterP Jun 2016 #4
+1 Truth. nt. NCTraveler Jun 2016 #6
Follow the money Meteor Man Jun 2016 #7
Bingo GreatGazoo Jun 2016 #72
If this were only NOT the case! elleng Jun 2016 #8
I frame those who disagree with me the same way. LanternWaste Jun 2016 #18
Because he tells them things they want to hear, even when they're not true. Donald Ian Rankin Jun 2016 #10
If Bernie has rallies with over 60 bazillion people how come he doesn't get as many votes? Happyhippychick Jun 2016 #11
Because a whole lot of people don't think she'd be the weaker candidate onenote Jun 2016 #12
Because more Democrats are voting for her in the primaries. MineralMan Jun 2016 #14
What till you see the GE... HumanityExperiment Jun 2016 #29
Oh, I'll be around for that, you can be sure. MineralMan Jun 2016 #37
principle HumanityExperiment Jun 2016 #48
The Democratic Party in action Meteor Man Jun 2016 #54
Because Americans are addicted to war and trickle down. nt JEB Jun 2016 #15
Her turn. I don't know why they bothered with a primary. Vinca Jun 2016 #16
That's why no other credible establishment Democrat challenged her. libdem4life Jun 2016 #31
Why did Bernie get beaten so decisively? redstateblues Jun 2016 #41
Beaten decisively? Meteor Man Jun 2016 #52
If it wasn't for the party elites (superdelegates), it would be nearly even. Vinca Jun 2016 #62
Uh. Not really. It was a larger margin than 08 redstateblues Jun 2016 #69
Cheese Sandwich—It isn't difficult to understand. CobaltBlue Jun 2016 #17
I love how on both sides, nobody really wants to tackle climate change. DookDook Jun 2016 #47
Those graphs have a huge caveat: the public does not know Bernie and the Repubs have not defined him LonePirate Jun 2016 #20
In case you've missed it, HRC's numbers JUST DROPPED. Ken Burch Jun 2016 #24
You must be one of those partisans convinced Bernie's numbers will never fall below Hillary's. LonePirate Jun 2016 #25
Bernie is getting swamped in national polls redstateblues Jun 2016 #42
They can't have it both ways. If he was not known, libdem4life Jun 2016 #35
What's that George Carlin observation bvf Jun 2016 #21
Hahaha! nt arikara Jun 2016 #33
LOL!!!!! zappaman Jun 2016 #22
Seems to me "class" is in short supply here. libdem4life Jun 2016 #36
The same people who dismiss these GE polls SheenaR Jun 2016 #27
Because I have a trailer of stone we picked out of the Purveyor Jun 2016 #28
Hillary will be elected RandySF Jun 2016 #30
"Since early April, Clinton's lead over Bernie Sanders among Democrats has grown steadily." riversedge Jun 2016 #32
Maybe it's because you don't believe in democracy. Hillary has millions more votes than Sanders. Trust Buster Jun 2016 #39
Because your premise has been roundly rejected by most Democrats. And, Lil Missy Jun 2016 #40
a pacifist is incapable of protecting america will never be elected president beachbum bob Jun 2016 #43
President Elizabeth Dole. She was way ahead at one point. blm Jun 2016 #44
Let me one up you MyNameGoesHere Jun 2016 #45
Clinton is hands down the candidacy of strength. Sanders hasn't been vetted and would be seabeyond Jun 2016 #46
Because Sanders ran a poor campaign brush Jun 2016 #49
Because it worked out great for President Gore/Kerry Sky Masterson Jun 2016 #51
The polls being cited by the Sanders supporters are worthless because Sanders has not been vetted Gothmog Jun 2016 #55
Democrats have deliberately & on purpose voted for Hillary Clinton...n/t asuhornets Jun 2016 #59
Disagree... Mike Nelson Jun 2016 #60
Because they were told to, and like good authoritarians they do as they are told. [n/t] Maedhros Jun 2016 #63
The weaker candidate is the one losing by almost 3 million votes taught_me_patience Jun 2016 #65
weaker in the general election is what I'm talking about. Cheese Sandwich Jun 2016 #71
Republicans called Obama "the black power communist Muslim from Kenya". How did that work out? imagine2015 Jun 2016 #70
I have no idea why so many democrats are supporting the weaker candidate. ContinentalOp Jun 2016 #73
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