2016 Postmortem

TimPlo

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210. Which is after Clinton dropped out in 2008

Thu Jun 2, 2016, 10:25 AM

Jun 2016

Then she was the presumptive nomination. Really it is all in Sanders count wither Hillary is presumptive nominee. If he feels that the SD can be swayed before the convention then the primary is still open until the first Roll Call at the convention and they SD cast the vote.
See pledged delegates we know how they are going to vote, by party rules they MUST vote in first round for the candidate that they are pledged for. But SD are free to vote anyway they want, just because they say now they are going to vote Clinton is kinda like basing a election on polling numbers. Nothing is official until Sanders drops out or some way Clinton can get a majority of Delegates via pledged ones only. Or of coarse the first round of voting in the convention where the SD actually vote.

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So in 16 days, organizing for the convention will not be able to happen on DU [View all] Joe the Revelator Jun 2016 OP

Secretary Clinton will have the necessary delegates and be the Presumptive Nominee on June 7th SFnomad Jun 2016 #1

Super Delegates don't vote until the convention. Its why we even have the convention. Joe the Revelator Jun 2016 #2

Pledged Delegates don't vote until the convention either ... but SFnomad Jun 2016 #7

And we didn't start GE season until she dropped out. Joe the Revelator Jun 2016 #9

Blah, blah, blah, blah ... BS has lost ... remain in denial all you want SFnomad Jun 2016 #31

Great reply? Joe the Revelator Jun 2016 #45

When people want to continue to deny reality and precedence ... what can you do? SFnomad Jun 2016 #50

Bringing up indictments is actually dealing with reality. Joe the Revelator Jun 2016 #56

Secretary Clinton has been investigate numerous times ... every time could have ended SFnomad Jun 2016 #64

I am hoping for them. You are completely correct. Joe the Revelator Jun 2016 #73

She hasn't skated through the system ... she has been hunted by Republicans for decades and people SFnomad Jun 2016 #76

Ah, the ol' right wing conspiracy. Joe the Revelator Jun 2016 #79

I would expect to hear what you're spewing at Free Republic, Red State or Lucianne ... SFnomad Jun 2016 #82

So stating facts somehow makes me a republican.... Joe the Revelator Jun 2016 #85

Hoping Secretary Clinton gets indicted makes you no better than the right wingnuts SFnomad Jun 2016 #94

As a liberal and a progressive I want what is best for the party.... Joe the Revelator Jun 2016 #98

Hoping Secretary Clinton gets indicted is nausiating SFnomad Jun 2016 #100

Yes, you've said that. Joe the Revelator Jun 2016 #101

My opinion of you couldn't get any lower ... buh bye SFnomad Jun 2016 #103

The fact you take this so personal kind of proves my point. Joe the Revelator Jun 2016 #104

Buh bye SFnomad Jun 2016 #107

You've said that a couple of times already now too. Joe the Revelator Jun 2016 #112

What part didn't you understand, the 'buh' or the 'bye'? buh bye SFnomad Jun 2016 #115

The part where you keep replying to me. Joe the Revelator Jun 2016 #117

If you attack our nominee with the BS that the righties Demsrule86 Jun 2016 #193

An indictment is NEVER going to happen. The Party will never have to deal with it. George II Jun 2016 #201

Keep on telling yourself that. The facts and current leaks would beg to differ. Joe the Revelator Jun 2016 #219

Neither one of us like the other...Artifice is one of the greatest vices known to man, imho. DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2016 #262

I don't dislike you. Joe the Revelator Jun 2016 #265

You know Muhammad Ali is sick and in the hospital. DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2016 #266

I just heard about that Joe the Revelator Jun 2016 #267

He gave you plenty to think on. barrow-wight Jun 2016 #180

Ahhhhh, the "I will patronize you" card. I bet you never leave home without it. DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2016 #261

Denial is saying emails aren't a problem for Hillary pinebox Jun 2016 #206

I've never said they weren't a problem ... but I haven't ever said the sky is falling like the SFnomad Jun 2016 #209

I agree with you pinebox Jun 2016 #212

It's not a "huge" problem, just a problem. Also, I didn't bring it up, Joe did several posts above. SFnomad Jun 2016 #214

I see it as huge. pinebox Jun 2016 #215

The Clintons have been investiaged for 20+ years ... all that has ever come of it SFnomad Jun 2016 #217

You're correct that they have pinebox Jun 2016 #239

You just ignored every point he just made. barrow-wight Jun 2016 #179

and you've ignored every point made in this thread. Joe the Revelator Jun 2016 #184

It's the exact same timeline as this year tammywammy Jun 2016 #198

Which is after Clinton dropped out in 2008 TimPlo Jun 2016 #210

I know that Demsrule86 Jun 2016 #260

Joe was saying General Election mode didn't start until Hillary dropped out. tammywammy Jun 2016 #274

A convention Demsrule86 Jun 2016 #192

Pledged delegates don't vote until the convention, either. "It's why we even have the convention"? George II Jun 2016 #199

Funny thing - she's been the "presumptive nominee" since the very beginning, in the minds of the highprincipleswork Jun 2016 #176

No, Secretary Clinton has not, the word has a specfic meaning and on June 7th, she will SFnomad Jun 2016 #205

And Santa Claus is still Aerows Jun 2016 #230

It's the BS cheerleaders that are living in a fantasy world ... not me n/t SFnomad Jun 2016 #231

We'll see who is naughty Aerows Jun 2016 #232

It's not about naughty or nice, it's about delusional or not. It's clear the BS cheerleaders are SFnomad Jun 2016 #233

Did you know Aerows Jun 2016 #234

On June 7th, it will be clear that it was the BS cheerleaders that are the delusional ones SFnomad Jun 2016 #235

It isn't 5 days from now, yet. n/t Aerows Jun 2016 #236

Tick tock, tick tock ... n/t SFnomad Jun 2016 #237

Flipping Super delegates would overturn the will of the people. Why would DU support that ? Trust Buster Jun 2016 #3

Because as long as we have superdelegates, it's how the party's nomination system works. Joe the Revelator Jun 2016 #4

Nonsense. The Super delegates are already pledged. That's what you've been whining about for Trust Buster Jun 2016 #10

Find a post of mine about superdelegates. Joe the Revelator Jun 2016 #12

Oh well. If that's how it is, then if the superdelegates "flip" by the end of the convention and bjo59 Jun 2016 #87

Message auto-removed Name removed Jun 2016 #243

And post, post, post those Hillary supporters will be craz-ey-doing! truedelphi Jun 2016 #252

undemocratic! they were pledged before a single vote was cast amborin Jun 2016 #259

I myself, as were several others on this board, was very close to Andy Stephenson. truedelphi Jun 2016 #251

that is a canard. grasswire Jun 2016 #11

It would be like saying because polls say candidate X is ahead, we should not have the actual Joe the Revelator Jun 2016 #13

Uh, we had an actual election and the electorate chose Hillary. Trust Buster Jun 2016 #18

Thanks for playing. Joe the Revelator Jun 2016 #20

Yeah right, elections don't matter. Voters don't matter. Got it.....LOL Trust Buster Jun 2016 #35

No, you still don't 'got it'. Joe the Revelator Jun 2016 #38

I think on June 16, you'll finally "got it"......LOL Trust Buster Jun 2016 #41

LOLOLOL Joe the Revelator Jun 2016 #75

As long as super delegates, who are not elected and who are not voted for by the voters, JDPriestly Jun 2016 #181

But even the Sanders campaign was saying for months that the superdelegates... George II Jun 2016 #202

It isn't like that at all. Garrett78 Jun 2016 #19

How is that not exactly the same as a poll vs the election? Joe the Revelator Jun 2016 #24

Because that declaration of support is akin to a vote. An actual vote. Garrett78 Jun 2016 #40

Much like a poll is statistically akin to voting. Only its not. Because it isn't offical. Joe the Revelator Jun 2016 #42

Nothing will prevent Hillary being the nominee upaloopa Jun 2016 #54

The irony! Joe the Revelator Jun 2016 #83

Both pledged delegates and superdelegates are free to switch, but they've voted. Garrett78 Jun 2016 #57

What are you talking about? Joe the Revelator Jun 2016 #81

The pledged delegates aren't official yet either, but you don't talk about them switching. Garrett78 Jun 2016 #120

Anything can happen at the convention after the first ballot. It is why we have coventions.. Joe the Revelator Jun 2016 #121

Nobody disputes that something unprecedented *could* happen. Garrett78 Jun 2016 #129

No it's not oberliner Jun 2016 #14

or giving Hillary's polling and looming indictment... Joe the Revelator Jun 2016 #25

Right - but they would still be going against the will of the voters oberliner Jun 2016 #139

well, that's the talking point.. grasswire Jun 2016 #26

The majority voted for Hillary. All the scenarios and narratives upaloopa Jun 2016 #46

what do you think about this? grasswire Jun 2016 #80

It was stupid of her then and it didn't happen, just like it won't happen this year mythology Jun 2016 #189

It's a reasonable point, isn't it? oberliner Jun 2016 #140

Not in my state they wouldn't azurnoir Jun 2016 #242

Is your state Minnesota? oberliner Jun 2016 #244

Hillary won the nomination. The Party can't stand Sanders. Don't trouble me with your denial. Trust Buster Jun 2016 #16

She won the election, the party can't stand Sanders nadinbrzezinski Jun 2016 #61

did you see this? grasswire Jun 2016 #147

Those triple standards bug me nadinbrzezinski Jun 2016 #154

Actions speak louder than words. GulfCoast66 Jun 2016 #273

If the candidate is facing indictment, then yes. HooptieWagon Jun 2016 #108

If the will of the people in Indiana said they want Bernie, why is it ALL of the SD's are backing B Calm Jun 2016 #213

You mean Organizing against the convention? bettyellen Jun 2016 #5

Does the convention not matter? Joe the Revelator Jun 2016 #8

In terms of platform, sure. But the candidacy nope... bettyellen Jun 2016 #130

That was my question. WhiteTara Jun 2016 #60

Don't lose mad. Just lose. LexVegas Jun 2016 #6

Hope that made you feel better. I can't be so cavalier about the millions of bjo59 Jun 2016 #105

I have a hard time believing anyone actually believes sufrommich Jun 2016 #15

As i said in a different post, they are Hillary's to lose... Joe the Revelator Jun 2016 #17

I give Biden a better chance of being the nominee than Sanders nt. Trenzalore Jun 2016 #21

I'm totally down with that actually. Joe the Revelator Jun 2016 #27

As did I Trenzalore Jun 2016 #30

I liked O'M as well Joe the Revelator Jun 2016 #39

No,that's not going to happen. There's no chance of an indictment and sufrommich Jun 2016 #22

No chance of an indictment? Joe the Revelator Jun 2016 #28

I think that depends on what happens with the remaining pledged delegates passiveporcupine Jun 2016 #128

Just a what if: Karma13612 Jun 2016 #23

Hmmmm...no GulfCoast66 Jun 2016 #136

Yea, I see your point. I was imagining controlled Karma13612 Jun 2016 #163

Good luck GulfCoast66 Jun 2016 #165

Thanks Gulfcoast66! eom Karma13612 Jun 2016 #248

Let me know what you find. GulfCoast66 Jun 2016 #250

What the hell does DU have to do with flipping superdelegates? Garrett78 Jun 2016 #29

What the hell does DU have to do with anything? Why can't we just talk about what we want? Joe the Revelator Jun 2016 #33

I suppose it's because DU is a private message board and neither of us runs it. Garrett78 Jun 2016 #51

That actually wasn't the point you were making initially. nt Joe the Revelator Jun 2016 #53

The point I was making is that DU isn't influential. My other point is that DU is private. Garrett78 Jun 2016 #65

If DU isn't influential (which I agree with you to a point) then why does it matter Joe the Revelator Jun 2016 #68

I don't have an answer. It's not my forum. Garrett78 Jun 2016 #70

Use Reddit or Facebook but not here upaloopa Jun 2016 #32

Why not? Joe the Revelator Jun 2016 #36

Because Skinner says so GulfCoast66 Jun 2016 #141

I asked him in AtA. I'll wait for a response.... Joe the Revelator Jun 2016 #157

I agree GulfCoast66 Jun 2016 #162

Well, the DU is not a democracy Tarc Jun 2016 #34

As a content creator I have as much say as anyone else. Joe the Revelator Jun 2016 #37

So you the "content creator" have the same rights as an admin? Tarc Jun 2016 #43

No but I have the same right to question it as you do. Joe the Revelator Jun 2016 #52

I have the right to ask the moon to turn purple Tarc Jun 2016 #142

Sanders will drop out. joshcryer Jun 2016 #44

I doubt it, but if he does, then you are right.... Joe the Revelator Jun 2016 #48

Well, that's his fake supporters wishes. joshcryer Jun 2016 #58

There is zero indication of that. Joe the Revelator Jun 2016 #63

If he doesn't do you have any idea what that sends? joshcryer Jun 2016 #72

It sends the idea that conventions matter, that electability matters, and that nominating a Joe the Revelator Jun 2016 #77

No, it sends that the woman who bowed out gracefully... joshcryer Jun 2016 #91

Oh give me a break. Joe the Revelator Jun 2016 #93

What other reason for the double standard? joshcryer Jun 2016 #132

Besides the downward trend in her polling against Trump and her legal troubles, as well as.. Joe the Revelator Jun 2016 #143

Clinton also used the "polls better" argument. joshcryer Jun 2016 #153

Was she actually polling better? Joe the Revelator Jun 2016 #155

Obama polled very well but at the end... joshcryer Jun 2016 #166

I ask out of curiosity now, is there a link to Hillary's polling in that time period? Joe the Revelator Jun 2016 #168

Polling data is almost identical trc Jun 2016 #211

Thank you Josh. bettyellen Jun 2016 #175

TY! Starry Messenger Jun 2016 #224

Primaries are over when there is a presumptive nominee. That occurs next Tuesday. YouDig Jun 2016 #47

That's not true at all actually. How many primaries have you been around on DU? Joe the Revelator Jun 2016 #49

I'm talking about reality, not DU. On DU, the site owners make the rules. YouDig Jun 2016 #55

Then our conversation is over, eh? Joe the Revelator Jun 2016 #59

That's up to you. I'm just laying out the facts. YouDig Jun 2016 #62

No you aren't. you are laying out a lot of opinion. Joe the Revelator Jun 2016 #66

When did I say not being pro-Hillary means pro-Trump? YouDig Jun 2016 #69

You've repeated this cute little line a couple of times Joe the Revelator Jun 2016 #106

You didn't answer me. Why would anyone post right-wing media attacks on Hillary YouDig Jun 2016 #111

My apologies, I actually only read the subject. Joe the Revelator Jun 2016 #114

But you've noticed that, right? People here doing that. Is it wrong to describe it as pro-Trump? YouDig Jun 2016 #118

It depends honestly. Joe the Revelator Jun 2016 #119

Yeah, that's a good example, but hardly the only one. YouDig Jun 2016 #127

We never had a contested convention before on DU. This year we will! B Calm Jun 2016 #71

This isn't a contested convention, it's a landslide. YouDig Jun 2016 #74

Wow, have you been having delusions? B Calm Jun 2016 #86

Just math. Not #berniemath. YouDig Jun 2016 #89

LOL, gotta blame your delusions on something. B Calm Jun 2016 #96

Again, illustrative of the problem with putting arbitrary dates on discussion. Joe the Revelator Jun 2016 #90

It's not arbitrary, the math becomes decisive next Tuesday. YouDig Jun 2016 #92

It doesn't become decisive or official until the convention. Joe the Revelator Jun 2016 #95

Decisive, yes. Official, no. YouDig Jun 2016 #97

When has a super ever flipped allegiance against the presumptive nominee after the primaries ended? LonePirate Jun 2016 #67

Since SD's have come out, when have we ever nominated a candidate... Joe the Revelator Jun 2016 #78

Please keep chasing those windmills if it makes you feel better. Your hypotheticals are futile. LonePirate Jun 2016 #84

They are only futile until they come to fruition. Joe the Revelator Jun 2016 #88

Keep pretending that your hypotheticals have anything but a zero chance of occurring. LonePirate Jun 2016 #135

When you say 'no chance' of an indictment, you know the actual facts of the matter disprove your Joe the Revelator Jun 2016 #156

She has no chance of being indicted. The State Department and Obama (thus the AG) are on her side. LonePirate Jun 2016 #164

No way in hell Obama throws his legacy in the toilet for her. Lizzie Poppet Jun 2016 #195

That's just a stupid thing to say. Marr Jun 2016 #253

You do understand... lmbradford Jun 2016 #254

When there are no contests left, the primary is over KingFlorez Jun 2016 #99

Not according to the parties own rules, and the admins own announcement earlier this year. Joe the Revelator Jun 2016 #102

The superdelegates are not going to overturn the pledged delegate result. It's over. KingFlorez Jun 2016 #113

Or, and stick with me here, we can not speculate and actually wait for the convention. Joe the Revelator Jun 2016 #116

When was the last contested convention? Did we even have SD's then? B Calm Jun 2016 #122

1952 and that was long before superdelegates KingFlorez Jun 2016 #126

Thanks, so we have no history of what the SD's will do in a contested convention. B Calm Jun 2016 #131

There won't be a contested convention. Clinton will be declared the winner by acclimation. KingFlorez Jun 2016 #138

Thank god you're here! Joe the Revelator Jun 2016 #144

I bet she supports Sanders KingFlorez Jun 2016 #152

Reading Skinner's follow-up post, I think you might be able to. aikoaiko Jun 2016 #109

Which follow up? Joe the Revelator Jun 2016 #124

Here is the link. aikoaiko Jun 2016 #134

That post makes clear you absolutely can't obamanut2012 Jun 2016 #183

I dunno. As long as the OP doesn't bash and trash Clinton or DUers, it might fly. aikoaiko Jun 2016 #238

Why would you want to hurt the Dem nominee Demsrule86 Jun 2016 #257

I don't think it would hurt the nominee. aikoaiko Jun 2016 #264

Absolute Bull shit Demsrule86 Jun 2016 #268

I know you would toss every Bernie supporter out. That's consistent with HRC vindictiveness. aikoaiko Jun 2016 #272

Even if you could, any such post would get alert swarmed in minutes. Lizzie Poppet Jun 2016 #196

Hillary wins June 7th beachbumbob Jun 2016 #110

She 'wins' if she 'wins' at the convention. It's the entire point of the primaries...to lead to the Joe the Revelator Jun 2016 #125

She will have enough delegates by June 7. She will be the presumptive nominee. upaloopa Jun 2016 #158

She actually won't without SD's Joe the Revelator Jun 2016 #160

And she will have commitments from the SDs and an endorsement from Obama onenote Jun 2016 #172

My god, will this madness ever end? Doctor Jack Jun 2016 #123

I thought the bern bots had that jackboots site that you all used to bitch about DU dlwickham Jun 2016 #133

Perfect response! Joe the Revelator Jun 2016 #145

this board belongs to the administrators. they can make whatever rules they want. niyad Jun 2016 #137

Sure, and they can be questioned on them by the people who use the site. Joe the Revelator Jun 2016 #146

correction grasswire Jun 2016 #148

I've been using 'content creators' for awhile now.... Joe the Revelator Jun 2016 #150

these are pretty much the same rules since the beginning. niyad Jun 2016 #149

Read my OP. They aren't. Joe the Revelator Jun 2016 #151

what part of "pretty much" is unclear? niyad Jun 2016 #159

I'm not sure what you're reading: Joe the Revelator Jun 2016 #161

you do not set the rules for DU.... chillfactor Jun 2016 #167

When did I ever say that I set the rules for DU? I have an opinion, and I also have the admin's Joe the Revelator Jun 2016 #170

Organizing is going on at reddit. djean111 Jun 2016 #169

That's cool. I have a lot more invested here. it would be nice to continue discussions instead of Joe the Revelator Jun 2016 #171

Nope Skinner is unwilling to pretend Demsrule86 Jun 2016 #173

Joe The Revelator... AzDar Jun 2016 #174

IMO Skinner has sent a very strong message to DU's Progresives (Bernie supporters) and that is our azurnoir Jun 2016 #177

Yep. It's time to leave, it's pretty clear. Lizzie Poppet Jun 2016 #197

Sheesh. barrow-wight Jun 2016 #178

Now you can continue to argue MFM008 Jun 2016 #182

I concur wholeheartedly. Major Hogwash Jun 2016 #185

So excited for the convention. NCTraveler Jun 2016 #186

well you know...the primary is over once one candidate achieved the number of delegate beachbum bob Jun 2016 #187

You are confusing our process with Republicans...we have Superdelegates Joe the Revelator Jun 2016 #223

The search for loop-holes for attacking Hillary ... begins now. JoePhilly Jun 2016 #188

IKR? obamanut2012 Jun 2016 #190

Too bad Demsrule86 Jun 2016 #191

I want the party to uphold its ideals and actually represent progressives Joe the Revelator Jun 2016 #225

I want Trump to lose Demsrule86 Jun 2016 #269

I'd rather focus on electing progressives. not picking the lesser evil. Joe the Revelator Jun 2016 #270

That is hilarious Demsrule86 Jun 2016 #271

Here's an observation: "organizing for the Convention" was never going to happen on DU... brooklynite Jun 2016 #194

A winner A winner!!!!!! gordianot Jun 2016 #204

You could say that for anything. Speaking out about Hillary on DU has no effect on the 'real world' Joe the Revelator Jun 2016 #222

But the OP is complaining about the apparent inability to "organize"... brooklynite Jun 2016 #229

Look at me... Joe the Revelator Jun 2016 #246

In which case you won't have to worry about your ability to "organize" brooklynite Jun 2016 #247

No super delegate is going to be influenced by posts on DU Gothmog Jun 2016 #200

"Organizing" to do what, exactly? Bobbie Jo Jun 2016 #203

Why would there be 'no flipping super delegates'? Joe the Revelator Jun 2016 #221

I agree with you pinebox Jun 2016 #207

Joe, thank you for speaking for me. saidsimplesimon Jun 2016 #208

"electability and flipping super delegates" will no longer be a topic here, that is true Tarc Jun 2016 #216

That is a silly rule until we actually have a convention and elect a nominee. nt Joe the Revelator Jun 2016 #220

I don't think you really get a say in the matter Tarc Jun 2016 #227

We've been through this Tarc. I may not get a 'say', but i do get an opinion. Joe the Revelator Jun 2016 #228

Only one of us will able to voice our true opinion after June 16th Tarc Jun 2016 #241

Again, you're an illustration of the problem. Joe the Revelator Jun 2016 #245

If "organizing" means ProgressiveEconomist Jun 2016 #218

Thank God workinclasszero Jun 2016 #226

Exactly! Sanders would have ProgressiveEconomist Jun 2016 #240

What do you think conventions are for? Joe the Revelator Jun 2016 #255

What about an "anybody but Clinton or Sanders" scenario, Skinner & DU? Peace Patriot Jun 2016 #249

Talking about flipping supers and trashing the will of the voters is a bad idea Demsrule86 Jun 2016 #256

But that was when they weren't so worried about Hillary's future. cui bono Jun 2016 #258

Joe the Revelator�I intend to avoid watching the Democratic convention. (Rs may be interesting.) CobaltBlue Jun 2016 #263