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48. These are policy difference.
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 11:03 AM
Jun 2016

Glass Steagall is probably a good idea in my opinion. But it's gotten blown out of proportion in terms of its role. I agree with you that she could do the other regulations she proposes as well as Glass-Steagall, it's not one or the other. On the other hand, her proposals for "shadow-banking" regulations have gotten more praise than Bernie's.

The transaction tax, also probably a good idea, though from what I've read Bernie's isn't the best way to implement it, and it could hurt regular investors. Hillary at one point talked about a smaller tax designed specifically to stop high-speed trading, but have less effect on regular investors. I don't know if she's still for that, but she's at least aware of the problem of high-speed trading.

But big picture here, they both want to expand on Dodd-Frank, but Bernie does want farther. Under Dodd-Frank there is already authority to break up big banks. And also, banks deemed systematically important (or whatever the term is) are subject to extra regulations. So we've come a pretty long way there already.

Another thing she wants to do is close the loophole that lets hedge fund managers pay super-low tax rates.

If she were really just trying to protect Wall Street, she would do what the GOP does, which is try to get rid of Dodd-Frank altogether.

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Trade and foreign policy. Single payer health care. Tuition-free college. morningfog Jun 2016 #1
Even on those issues they are pretty close. YouDig Jun 2016 #3
No, they really are not close at all. morningfog Jun 2016 #6
Only if a person doesn't accept facts. tonyt53 Jun 2016 #29
If Hillary was close, then she's stupid not to compromise to get the left vote. HooptieWagon Jun 2016 #46
Hillary does not want universal healthcare. She wants universal coverage. JonLeibowitz Jun 2016 #30
What is the difference, as you see it? YouDig Jun 2016 #34
Coverage does not mean adequate access to health care. If you cannot Luminous Animal Jun 2016 #38
Ok, I see. SP systems sometimes have deductibles and co-pays too, though. YouDig Jun 2016 #41
One might see the word choices as a way to mask the fact hag she disagrees with universal healthcare JonLeibowitz Jun 2016 #47
I guess. I would put that in the "personal/don't trust her" column though. YouDig Jun 2016 #58
Not even close to what we in the U.S. pay out of pocket. Luminous Animal Jun 2016 #50
True. We're the most expensive by far, and pay more out of pocket. YouDig Jun 2016 #53
Ballooning healthcare costs and out of pocket expenses. JonLeibowitz Jun 2016 #39
That is true. But one of her main agendas focuses on exactly that problem. YouDig Jun 2016 #45
By subsidizing the insurance and pharma industries. Luminous Animal Jun 2016 #52
It's not a subsidy of insurance, and definitely not a subsidy of pharma. YouDig Jun 2016 #56
Yes. Paying for healthcare to private industry then getting a tax incentive. Luminous Animal Jun 2016 #61
From your excerpt it says: YouDig Jun 2016 #65
Supermarkets compete in a huge way to keep prices as low as possible JonLeibowitz Jun 2016 #68
Insurance companies also compete. Competition in healthcare delivery is more of a mess, and in some YouDig Jun 2016 #73
Yes. Food stamps are a subsidy for the supermarket industry. A living wage would mitigate Luminous Animal Jun 2016 #70
Hillary doesn't want to blow up the health insurance industries. At best she wants a public MillennialDem Jun 2016 #107
That's true, but both want universal healthcare. Just by different means. YouDig Jun 2016 #110
In a private system, people will always slip through the cracks. Also, it will still tie MillennialDem Jun 2016 #115
she is in bed with insurance companies. single payer eliminates those vampires larkrake Jun 2016 #75
Health care? TPP? Not as close as you suggest. thesquanderer Jun 2016 #36
Universal private for-profit health insurance is a means to universal healthcare. YouDig Jun 2016 #44
fix it by eliminating insurance co. Single payer may increase taxes, but not as much as insurance larkrake Jun 2016 #78
That is one way. But not the only way. And either way is going to be hard. YouDig Jun 2016 #83
almost impossible larkrake Jun 2016 #85
No... she and Bernie are miles apart. Fawke Em Jun 2016 #72
Right on the money. pangaia Jun 2016 #82
It's sad to see the lies posted here day in and day out vintx Jun 2016 #129
Same goal different means? No. the means are important. Armstead Jun 2016 #134
one by one. Exilednight Jun 2016 #135
Why do you say anything but single payer is not universal? It's just not true. YouDig Jun 2016 #141
Couldn't disagree with you more kcjohn1 Jun 2016 #2
But the "world view" thing is a personal distinction. YouDig Jun 2016 #10
Ok let's go through them kcjohn1 Jun 2016 #35
OK. YouDig Jun 2016 #51
"and unify the party later" n/t QC Jun 2016 #4
I guess today is the day! morningfog Jun 2016 #7
Yep, looks like the brocking point memo has gone out. n/t QC Jun 2016 #15
Do you really believe that I'm getting paid to post by David Brock? I'm not, by the way. YouDig Jun 2016 #19
Yes, I do. frylock Jun 2016 #49
Are there any other things you want to admit believing without any evidence? mythology Jun 2016 #71
My proof. frylock Jun 2016 #74
Yup nadinbrzezinski Jun 2016 #23
you love to watch yourself type virtualobserver Jun 2016 #5
The difference SandersDem Jun 2016 #8
I would describe those as personal differences, not ideological. Do you agree? YouDig Jun 2016 #20
Ok then let me add the following.. SandersDem Jun 2016 #26
OK. Good points. YouDig Jun 2016 #33
re: "Wall Street money, OK, I hear you, but this is a personal trust issue, not a policy issue. " thesquanderer Jun 2016 #43
These are policy difference. YouDig Jun 2016 #48
re: "Under Dodd-Frank there is already authority to break up big banks." thesquanderer Jun 2016 #54
If you believe that, you are clueless. hobbit709 Jun 2016 #9
The catch is that I would have to actually believe her and I don't. n/t brewens Jun 2016 #11
Yeah, the trust issue, but it's a personal thing, not ideological or policy. YouDig Jun 2016 #14
"and unify the party later". VulgarPoet Jun 2016 #12
OK, but at least you agree that the ideals are "pretty looking". That's some common ground. YouDig Jun 2016 #18
No we are not "all" expecting. AND.... Sanders pretty little speech of fairy dust can be discussed seabeyond Jun 2016 #22
C'mon, Skinner... do something about this. n/t demmiblue Jun 2016 #13
What would you like Skinner to do? MineralMan Jun 2016 #24
He affects to have civility as an objective. This OP is bait. Full of characterization and smearing. Bluenorthwest Jun 2016 #154
Absolutely. Further with college, Wallstreet, Corps, and Healthcare, Clinton is more progressive in seabeyond Jun 2016 #16
Disqualify, destroy, and unite the party later. (Hillary campaign strategy) SamKnause Jun 2016 #17
Suggesting there is not a big split between Sanders and Clinton is disqualifying, destroying.... seabeyond Jun 2016 #27
LMAO nadinbrzezinski Jun 2016 #21
It's also the difference between someone who has always said these things... thesquanderer Jun 2016 #25
I hope you have a thick skin as you're going to need it. LonePirate Jun 2016 #28
Hillary's climate change proposals are garbage. Bernie’s aggressive approach is very different riderinthestorm Jun 2016 #31
Chained CPI, means testing, raising retirement age (Hillary) vs Raise the cap (Bernie) NorthCarolina Jun 2016 #32
She doesn't want any of those. And she wants to raise more money for SS, either by YouDig Jun 2016 #37
In the sense that most Hillary fans don't care about policy, yes. Marr Jun 2016 #40
What she says on her website and what she actually does tabasco Jun 2016 #42
The promises on her website? lumberjack_jeff Jun 2016 #55
Sanders promises free healthcare and college. Of course, he will just get right on it, and all will seabeyond Jun 2016 #57
Yes there is you come from the right wing side of the party, the side that accuses the progressive JRLeft Jun 2016 #59
Clinton tends NeoCon. Much more prone to getting us into war for obscure geopolitical purposes. /nt philly_bob Jun 2016 #60
If the policies are the same why all the talk of Bernie being "far left" TransitJohn Jun 2016 #62
Once again, I dig rock Jun 2016 #63
billionaires rights vs taxpayers burden reddread Jun 2016 #64
This is either a lie or a tin ear: she is distrusted because she always goes back on her words. Betty Karlson Jun 2016 #66
I'll give you trade, there's a difference. YouDig Jun 2016 #69
twist and spin. and if you believe Clinton did not oppose gay rights until 2013, you are a homophobe Betty Karlson Jun 2016 #86
You're calling me a homophobe, and you think fracking caused the Flint crisis. YouDig Jun 2016 #87
Pretending that Clinton's pre-2013 record is pro-gay is indeed homophobe. And fracking was debated Betty Karlson Jun 2016 #88
So you really think that Flint was caused by fracking. "Well-informed". Now THAT was funny. YouDig Jun 2016 #89
I was referring to Clinton's answer in Flint and how is was received. (badly) Is spin all you have? Betty Karlson Jun 2016 #90
SO because the debate was held in Flint, you think fracking had something to do with YouDig Jun 2016 #91
The bubble is hers. Just because you keep spinning doesn't make it true. Betty Karlson Jun 2016 #92
No, the bubble is you. Nobody thinks that Flint's water was contaminated by fracking. Only Berners YouDig Jun 2016 #93
See reponse # 90. Betty Karlson Jun 2016 #98
It's embarrassing that you can be this wrong, and not even bother looking up simple facts. YouDig Jun 2016 #100
and we're back to the "millennials are easily duped" smear. It's all Clinton offers us: Betty Karlson Jun 2016 #101
I don't think many millenials are as clueless to think fracking caused Flint. YouDig Jun 2016 #102
Which I don't. I was referring to the Flint debate, Clinton's answer, and the bad reception it had Betty Karlson Jun 2016 #109
Oho! So it's even dumber than I thought! It's not the city of Flint that has a problem with YouDig Jun 2016 #113
"clueless" is all you have in response? Using pejorative language shows lack of argument. Betty Karlson Jun 2016 #117
Also facts. Whereas you have: The Flint audience! Clinton caused the water crisis! YouDig Jun 2016 #119
Who said she caused it? I said her response about fracking was badly received. Betty Karlson Jun 2016 #128
You did. Forgotting things already? You blamed in on "Clinton's beloved corporatism". YouDig Jun 2016 #132
Corporatism includes both Clinton and the governor. Betty Karlson Jun 2016 #137
The governor is the one who actually appointed the city manager who switched the YouDig Jun 2016 #143
Sanders didn't support marriage equality until 2009. Both, always supported gay rights. seabeyond Jun 2016 #94
Clinton certainly didn't: "marriage is a sacred bond between man and woman" Betty Karlson Jun 2016 #96
Clinton doesn't pretend, or lie, that she always supported marriage equality. Sanders does. seabeyond Jun 2016 #97
Clinton pretends that she always was an ally - that is much worse. Betty Karlson Jun 2016 #99
Clinton has always been a gay right advocate. Always. Hence, her huge support from this community. seabeyond Jun 2016 #103
No, she was in favour of discrimination. She was an opponent of equal rights. Betty Karlson Jun 2016 #111
Clinton has always been on the side of gay rights, along with Sanders. Now, Clinton was more the seabeyond Jun 2016 #114
Someone who praises Nancy Reagan's "silent activism" Betty Karlson Jun 2016 #120
She and Sanders and Kerry and Obama opposed marriage equality. All were pro gay rights. seabeyond Jun 2016 #126
And now you are trying to defend that horrible woman Reagan too. That is disgusting! Betty Karlson Jun 2016 #133
No, I am not. What is nasty, is to pretend that what Sanders did is glorified in lie, and everyone seabeyond Jun 2016 #138
Yet, you totally dismiss Sanders lie that he has always been for marriage equality. Cute, that. seabeyond Jun 2016 #105
Yeah, right? Everyone changed their mind about gay marriage, but someone only Clinton gets heat. YouDig Jun 2016 #108
Sanders flat out lied claiming he was always for it, going back to an article in 70's even though in seabeyond Jun 2016 #112
Sanders never praised Nancy Reagan's "silent activism". Betty Karlson Jun 2016 #124
Sanders opposed marriage equality until 2009. seabeyond Jun 2016 #145
"Go to Hillary's website and see what she stands for." Scuba Jun 2016 #67
She flipped on so many stances when Bernie started getting popular...they are very different! bkkyosemite Jun 2016 #76
On some. But isn't that what you want? Compromise on issues? YouDig Jun 2016 #77
Historically, she gives lip service and compromise isnt the end result larkrake Jun 2016 #80
I support Bernie but I think her ideas on her website are good. hollowdweller Jun 2016 #79
Sorry, I am highly suspicious of you and your post. are you a Brock bot? Just asking larkrake Jun 2016 #81
Not even close to the same angrychair Jun 2016 #84
Sanders has his superpacs also. Because he has less, because of less support and popularity, seabeyond Jun 2016 #95
No, he has no affiliated SuperPACs angrychair Jun 2016 #139
Superpacs are not tied to campaigns. Sanders is no different. False accusation like his claim seabeyond Jun 2016 #144
I gave you two links angrychair Jun 2016 #153
Bull. It's ideological. There are differences (you'd expect this though). And even the MillennialDem Jun 2016 #104
So fuckin true and indicative of his life. He doesn't want to do any of the work, just everyone do seabeyond Jun 2016 #116
Except his positions are what the majority of America wants... you know when you factor in the 40-50 MillennialDem Jun 2016 #122
You really did not address what I posted, about no interest in doing the work. Maybe, if he was seabeyond Jun 2016 #130
If he wasn't interested in doing the work, he would have pushed Warren to run. MillennialDem Jun 2016 #131
You, yourself he was not interested in position that would require work done, simply wanted people seabeyond Jun 2016 #136
I meant he wasn't interested in the glory / prestige of the position. Bernie would rather MillennialDem Jun 2016 #142
He doesn't do the work. That makes him a mediocre congressman and a failed presidential candidate. seabeyond Jun 2016 #146
the Republicans handmade34 Jun 2016 #106
You can reduce Hillary Clinton to someone who cheated on a crossword puzzle 45 years ago... cherokeeprogressive Jun 2016 #118
Yahn Ndgo: "We don't trust what she says and we don't like what she has done." aikoaiko Jun 2016 #121
The ideological split is obvious even on DU. You and I have very little in common. nt Live and Learn Jun 2016 #123
We don't have a lot in common when it comes to email conspiracy theories. YouDig Jun 2016 #125
Nope. I have seen your posts on the issues. We have nothing at all in common. nt Live and Learn Jun 2016 #127
Wrong as wrong can be casperthegm Jun 2016 #140
Sanders has Super Pacs, gets money from fracking, supported all military and budgetary votes except seabeyond Jun 2016 #152
You should be a politician casperthegm Jun 2016 #158
It is Sanders blurring the turth as he campaigns on integrity. Pisses me off. He is a politician and seabeyond Jun 2016 #161
You and I clearly disagree and normally I'd leave it at that casperthegm Jun 2016 #163
Yes, in your post, Clinton opposes Super Pacs, and get the advantage of them now, just like Sanders! seabeyond Jun 2016 #164
With regard to the urgency of our need for change, Trump is closer to Sanders than Hillary. I'm Vote2016 Jun 2016 #147
Can you post that in this thread for illustration purposes? YouDig Jun 2016 #149
Which word is outside of your vocabulary: "never" or "Trump"? Vote2016 Jun 2016 #150
You even used the words "at least." It's like I pre-quoted you! YouDig Jun 2016 #151
Like I said using words "never Trump" but if you doubt that millions of voters want change and see Vote2016 Jun 2016 #155
And then you went looking for silver linings. Just exactly like I said. YouDig Jun 2016 #156
I'm impressed that you are multilingual. What's your primary language? Your English is ok but you Vote2016 Jun 2016 #159
The rest of your post. It was more than two words, you know? "at least" YouDig Jun 2016 #160
I totally disagree with you, biut I gotta admit you're doing well at defending her positions Armstead Jun 2016 #148
Generally, I ignore your posts Beowulf Jun 2016 #157
war and peace. reddread Jun 2016 #162
It is completely ideological. mmonk Jun 2016 #165
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