2016 Postmortem

Buddyblazon

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Thu Jun 2, 2016, 11:28 PM

Jun 2016

Now shut up and eat your corporate porridge or there will be no dessert.

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How do Progressives work for change in a Clinton presidency? [View all] Prism Jun 2016 OP

There is none. The PTB Do Not Want Progressives who actually think libdem4life Jun 2016 #1

If You Try And Define The "Phenomenon," The Term Is FASCISM! CorporatistNation Jun 2016 #109

I have asked before, but got no real answer - What exactly separates a progressive and a Democrat? tonyt53 Jun 2016 #2

Oh god, a lot Prism Jun 2016 #9

2004? This is 2016. Sounds very much like you are only concerned about a single issue. tonyt53 Jun 2016 #14

Prism just wants a pony. QC Jun 2016 #28

This message was self-deleted by its author TM99 Jun 2016 #51

And THIS TOO ^^^^^10000% 2banon Jun 2016 #81

sounds like you carry some hostility regarding his "single issue." ruggerson Jun 2016 #54

Good to see you again! n/t QC Jun 2016 #79

you too ruggerson Jun 2016 #100

no, single issue is a trap, but we have to acknowledge LGBT did succeed swiftly larkrake Jun 2016 #56

You cannot be that dense nadinbrzezinski Jun 2016 #59

Yes he can Doctor_J Jun 2016 #80

because 3rd way is in control of the Party today larkrake Jun 2016 #52

This!^^^^^^10000! 2banon Jun 2016 #76

A Democrat is something than anyone can call himself/herself Doctor_J Jun 2016 #40

OMG you do it the way Americans have been doing it for over MyNameGoesHere Jun 2016 #3

Was there an answer in all that? Prism Jun 2016 #7

If you need an answer you are lost already. MyNameGoesHere Jun 2016 #8

So . . . no answer then Prism Jun 2016 #12

"...don't whine about it." I think was your answer Ned_Devine Jun 2016 #27

Absolutely Prism Jun 2016 #30

A "Clinton presidency" will mean "more of the same"... KansDem Jun 2016 #4

Same way they would in a Sanders administration. nt Jitter65 Jun 2016 #5

I doubt a Sanders administration would mess with progressives in primaries Prism Jun 2016 #6

Sanders wouldn't need to be pulled kicking and screaming... TCJ70 Jun 2016 #10

. Doctor_J Jun 2016 #39

Between now and the convention, you will see whether progressives can work inside the party to Attorney in Texas Jun 2016 #11

We're in the same boat Prism Jun 2016 #13

Hillary has a choice: unite and embrace the progressives or ignore the left and embrace centrists. Attorney in Texas Jun 2016 #24

I very, very much agree with your sentiment Prism Jun 2016 #31

Fear of Trump is - at the moment - the only arrow in her quiver. I don't see that having any effect Attorney in Texas Jun 2016 #37

We're rowing in the same direction Prism Jun 2016 #44

I prefer Loretta Sanchez and I will keep my reasons to myself nadinbrzezinski Jun 2016 #88

I voted Sanchez but I think I regret that now. She dissed Liz Warren today. JonLeibowitz Jun 2016 #95

Harris will be on the ballot nadinbrzezinski Jun 2016 #99

This election is not normal nadinbrzezinski Jun 2016 #87

I disagree. Hillary's calculus will be much easier. BillZBubb Jun 2016 #111

"Offering free stuff to gullible people" no less, QC Jun 2016 #29

Shush, you communist Prism Jun 2016 #32

As a matter of fact I did get a cake! QC Jun 2016 #33

We are all, definitely, on lists... Ghost Dog Jun 2016 #41

I should FOIA my FBI file just for shits and giggles nadinbrzezinski Jun 2016 #93

is this sarcasm? larkrake Jun 2016 #86

Sadly, no. QC Jun 2016 #94

So my little diddy after the Eisenhower group nadinbrzezinski Jun 2016 #91

absolutely- is the Party too corrupted? I suspect so larkrake Jun 2016 #58

I have a simplistic outlook on this question. cheapdate Jun 2016 #15

I don't think your view is simplistic at all Prism Jun 2016 #17

I sooooo agree with this post! auntpurl Jun 2016 #23

I kind of like Obama's first term. Obamacare, the stimulus, Dodd/Frank, Sotomayer&Kagan. StevieM Jun 2016 #16

Just one example Prism Jun 2016 #18

She supports a $12 federal minimum wage, which is more than any other recent StevieM Jun 2016 #22

No, they sure aren't. Mine either. I'm standing with you. tonyt53 Jun 2016 #26

I think Obama is a liberal at heart Prism Jun 2016 #34

As I said, I cannot even begin to imagine that Hillary's Supreme Court appointments StevieM Jun 2016 #47

Please clarify. floriduck Jun 2016 #42

The nominee is the candidate who is officially chosen by the party. In other words, StevieM Jun 2016 #46

Got it. Thanks. floriduck Jun 2016 #49

Pretty sure. he joined the party because libdem4life Jun 2016 #118

no, she will give is corp friendly and global trade judges larkrake Jun 2016 #61

As I have said, I find it unimaginable that her judges will be any different than the ones StevieM Jun 2016 #65

Sadly - yes. 840high Jun 2016 #96

Petitions will at least garner a response. randome Jun 2016 #19

Closed primaries are also a trick Prism Jun 2016 #21

Eh. I think there's legitimate opinion on both sides of closed primaries. randome Jun 2016 #25

I get your point but it becomes a double edged sword. floriduck Jun 2016 #43

But there's a large population of liberals who couldn't participate Prism Jun 2016 #48

But if he wants to vote Democratic, why not be part of the Democratic Party? randome Jun 2016 #50

You cannot commit to a Party that has taken a right turn away from the ideals larkrake Jun 2016 #105

Primaries should include non party folk larkrake Jun 2016 #83

That's exactly it, Prism. Waiting For Everyman Jun 2016 #20

Prism and others, I have a reading recommendation. Garrett78 Jun 2016 #35

By being brought to heel. hobbit709 Jun 2016 #36

We don't. that's the point. The far right has won. Doctor_J Jun 2016 #38

We HAVE to build new progressive infrastructure dreamnightwind Jun 2016 #45

Organizing is the only way, like herding cats? larkrake Jun 2016 #64

We have shown that, given leadership, we can organize dreamnightwind Jun 2016 #69

Thats why I adore Bernie, he has been very smart with this movement larkrake Jun 2016 #73

Her approach is a hawkish foreign policy and domestically incrementalism. EndElectoral Jun 2016 #53

true. She is going to stress foreign policy and totally ignore infrastructure larkrake Jun 2016 #66

Progressives need to find races where the Repub has no opponent and run in those races. LonePirate Jun 2016 #55

a Smart theory larkrake Jun 2016 #71

I hope to see less of what I saw with Obama. Maedhros Jun 2016 #57

Here is my two cents lmbradford Jun 2016 #60

does VP have any power? and will Hill weigh his opinion at all? larkrake Jun 2016 #67

Hillary's running mate will be another conservative, possibly a republican Doctor_J Jun 2016 #77

there are mayors governors and many other local and state elections JI7 Jun 2016 #62

Im working on it in Colorado, Bernie's list really helps larkrake Jun 2016 #68

It really DOES start at the local level! Blaukraut Jun 2016 #63

then we work on enthusiasm larkrake Jun 2016 #70

I agree! But the enthusiasm has to extend to the unsexy local and state elections Blaukraut Jun 2016 #74

It is an honest question. Certainly not with Trump and Hill. Their negs are dismal larkrake Jun 2016 #78

But are Hillary's negs due to a bruising primary, in part? Blaukraut Jun 2016 #98

No, she has always had negative likability. Her attacks on trump larkrake Jun 2016 #112

The same way every other constituency works to accomplish their policy agenda ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2016 #72

I agree, pettyness isnt constructive larkrake Jun 2016 #75

Not when there is CRITICAL MASS of people ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2016 #101

as long as they fall in line, or they consider them "Fringe"I dont think they will see progressives larkrake Jun 2016 #114

This is exactly what I am talking about in Post #72. ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2016 #117

If you want better legislation, we need control of the House of Representatives. The House controls Agnosticsherbet Jun 2016 #82

and the funding larkrake Jun 2016 #84

All funding bills must be initiated by the House. It is in the Constitution. Agnosticsherbet Jun 2016 #89

thats what I just said larkrake Jun 2016 #106

can we do that in four years, statistically? larkrake Jun 2016 #85

From what I have read, the best chance of winning back the House will be after the 2020 Census. Agnosticsherbet Jun 2016 #90

I'm too cynical right now. I expect HRC vindictiveness to be insurmountable. aikoaiko Jun 2016 #92

I;'ve been wondering that myself. And the answer depresses me... Armstead Jun 2016 #97

Not acceptable. Bernie didn't lose unless progressives fail to go through that political door ancianita Jun 2016 #120

You make a false assumption about "perfectionists" Armstead Jun 2016 #124

Then I join Rebecca Solnit, Obama and others, who claim that "better" creates new leverage ancianita Jun 2016 #130

You don't.... Buddyblazon Jun 2016 #102

There is a group that can serve as a models/mentors ... the membership of the Progressive Caucus. 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2016 #103

web site? contact? larkrake Jun 2016 #107

For one thing -- and probably first off -- a progressive has to lead the party and the Senate. ancianita Jun 2016 #104

We cant involve the party, we would be undercut continually larkrake Jun 2016 #108

That's defeatism. Right now we've got a foot in the door and we need to open it and go through. ancianita Jun 2016 #119

I'm seeing that you have an up hill battle ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2016 #127

We all need to cultivate and support endurance.It's what has made the underdogs win in our history. ancianita Jun 2016 #132

Absolutely! You will not get a single argument from me ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2016 #136

You think we have a foot in the door? If so, I agree with you larkrake Jun 2016 #146

Being on the platform committee is a foot in the door. 3 - 4 Bernie demonstrations in Philadelphia ancianita Jun 2016 #148

Work. For coins. cherokeeprogressive Jun 2016 #110

My advice creeksneakers2 Jun 2016 #113

well put larkrake Jun 2016 #115

Good advice. ancianita Jun 2016 #134

By supporting a primary challenger in 2020, John Poet Jun 2016 #116

Wait for four to eight years. n/t leeroysphitz Jun 2016 #121

The only problem as we have seen from the campaign. There is no plan to be more liberal, the plan is Todays_Illusion Jun 2016 #122

By holding their feet to the fire. Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2016 #123

And, what does that look like? ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2016 #131

I tell my senators, congresswoman, and the prez.. Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2016 #135

Would the better, albeit, much more difficult, tact be ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2016 #138

Sounds good. Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2016 #139

No ... No ... No ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2016 #141

Which results in the lesser candidate getting fewer votes. Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2016 #142

You do understand that that "better" candidate doesn't just appear. right? ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2016 #143

I've grown very cynical about the value of politics as an agent of change. Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2016 #144

Social movements errupt, only ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2016 #145

Vote in mid-term legislative elections. That's how. MineralMan Jun 2016 #125

And recognize that the 2018 legislative elections action clock ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2016 #129

Yup. It's too late for the 2016 legislative elections MineralMan Jun 2016 #133

Instant gratification ... nano-second society! ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2016 #137

its not too late for this year, and 2018 can be the turning point but not if Hill regrows hate for larkrake Jun 2016 #147

We don't work in the presidency, we'll be outside. portlander23 Jun 2016 #126

You don't vote for status quo expecting change. HooptieWagon Jun 2016 #128

CLinton has been pushing out Progressives since the 80's Ferd Berfel Jun 2016 #140

Her victory will be the final nails in the coffin for anything progressive 2banon Jun 2016 #149

the answer is a violation of the terms of service. yurbud Jun 2016 #150

Showing up to vote in the mid-term elections is a good start. LonePirate Jun 2016 #151

Bernie has opened the DOOR OF OPPORTUNITY for the progressive wing of the Dems to mobilize cloudythescribbler Jun 2016 #152