2016 Postmortem

Fumesucker

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14. Bernie has to drop out so if HRC is indicted Biden can be parachuted into the candidacy at the DNC

Fri Jun 3, 2016, 03:14 PM

Jun 2016

By now the top players in DC know what's coming one way or another and plans are being made.

Bernie with an active campaign would be the presumptive nominee if HRC drops out, the establishment will never let that happen.

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What happens if Bernie wins California and "marches into convention with enormous momentum"? [View all] kentuck Jun 2016 OP

momentum of falling yet further behind in delegate count? "winning" a state has no real value msongs Jun 2016 #1

a close win is no different than a loss for Bernie redstateblues Jun 2016 #4

Hillary is nominated. RandySF Jun 2016 #2

Welcome back to the future, doc lagomorph777 Jun 2016 #5

What will happen when he keeps attacking "Mexican Heritage" 24/7? emulatorloo Jun 2016 #8

Yeah, battle of the uglies lagomorph777 Jun 2016 #9

Totally get that emulatorloo Jun 2016 #11

None of that would have even the slightest impact. Nobody would care. Lord Magus Jun 2016 #46

Trump is doing this already MFM008 Jun 2016 #65

Arguably, he didn't know the rules... scscholar Jun 2016 #79

That has been going on forever Demsrule86 Jun 2016 #71

These Folks Got Their Heads Down So Deep In The Sand That They Will Just Continue To Ignore All... CorporatistNation Jun 2016 #89

Is Sanders wins California he'll still be way behind in votes and pledged delegates. brooklynite Jun 2016 #3

I love the way the fucking standards change when a woman is the nominee. nt LexVegas Jun 2016 #6

Let's discuss the Unprecedented, vote nullifying, standard JimDandy Jun 2016 #17

Losing hurts, huh? nt LexVegas Jun 2016 #18

Ah, so predictable. A flaming apologist for all things Hillary, even the undermining JimDandy Jun 2016 #23

you obviously have zero idea of how the NV system works geek tragedy Jun 2016 #35

The rule change that Clinton engineered at the state convention JimDandy Jun 2016 #40

that is simply and completely false, and also egregiously hypocritical geek tragedy Jun 2016 #41

That is an outright lie. County conventions were not "voided." Period. Lord Magus Jun 2016 #47

I love the way everything is about race or sex for you. frylock Jun 2016 #30

^^^^^^!!!!!!!!^^^^^^!!!!!!!^^^^^^^!!!!!! (this) JudyM Jun 2016 #48

When you have no positions, you have to default to identity Scootaloo Jun 2016 #61

You mean like the enormous double standards held when a Jewish person is a candidate? Scootaloo Jun 2016 #60

Ding, ding, ding! grossproffit Jun 2016 #66

Yes. It is amazing, isn't it? Thank you for pointing that out. The more I see this double-standard skylucy Jun 2016 #68

Obviously, only Sanders can decide what he will do under those circumstances. Tal Vez Jun 2016 #7

You know if he ekes out a win in CA, but gets blown out of PR, NM and NJ BeyondGeography Jun 2016 #10

The problem is that even if he wins CA, the 'momentum' won't last more than a couple of days. eastwestdem Jun 2016 #12

If Bernie wins California... SidDithers Jun 2016 #13

Elvis never did no drugs. n/t Matt_R Jun 2016 #98

Bernie has to drop out so if HRC is indicted Biden can be parachuted into the candidacy at the DNC Fumesucker Jun 2016 #14

Yes. Dave Zirin made that point (sort of) on "The Collision" RufusTFirefly Jun 2016 #33

Might be harder, but it will happen Renew Deal Jun 2016 #91

you're not clapping loud enough for the Indictment Fairy geek tragedy Jun 2016 #36

The indictment fairy isn't coming and nobody has fantasy plans to replace Hillary with Biden. Lord Magus Jun 2016 #54

As if Biden even wants it. Hiraeth Jun 2016 #74

I'm not sure Biden wants it either but he'll take one for the team if necessary Fumesucker Jun 2016 #84

Yep-- I really think that's why their demands that he drop out are suddenly getting so Marr Jun 2016 #81

Maybe it's not the conspiratorial reason you think Renew Deal Jun 2016 #92

But that's the thing. Bernie will not be given the nominaiton either way. Renew Deal Jun 2016 #90

I agree, they'd rather even Trump than Sanders Fumesucker Jun 2016 #94

If that's true, it's Sanders fault. Renew Deal Jun 2016 #96

In that case, Hillary Clinton becomes the nominee. MineralMan Jun 2016 #15

The Supers will switch lmbradford Jun 2016 #16

and how does he get more pledged delegates? onenote Jun 2016 #20

They are still working on that math Stuckinthebush Jun 2016 #82

A win in CA doesn't give him a delegates majority though. Not unless he gets upward of 75%. Lord Magus Jun 2016 #51

Actually its 68% lmbradford Jun 2016 #67

Only if you completely ignore the big wins Hillary's on the way to in PR, NJ and NM. Lord Magus Jun 2016 #69

He can't get more delegates...it is not possible nt Demsrule86 Jun 2016 #72

If Sanders wins California but loses big in New Mexico and New Jersey onenote Jun 2016 #19

The winner of CA will have enormous momentum because it is the stalwart JimDandy Jun 2016 #24

You're right. Losing California stopped Carter and Obama dead in their tracks onenote Jun 2016 #26

+1 nt Fresh_Start Jun 2016 #31

CA was a devastating loss for Obama, and made many superdelegates switch to Hillary, Nye Bevan Jun 2016 #32

CA wasn't in play in 2008 as far as weakness of a candidate JimDandy Jun 2016 #39

so contests early on don't create momentum, but contests at the end do? onenote Jun 2016 #42

Superdelegates will NOT simply overthrow democracy "beacuse momentum." Lord Magus Jun 2016 #52

It was on Super Tuesday in 2008, though, which Obama "won" in terms of the whole day Recursion Jun 2016 #83

The CA primary is very late in the race this time around. JimDandy Jun 2016 #38

Momentum like "perception" will be meaningless Renew Deal Jun 2016 #95

Sorry to burst your bubble. Pres. Obama lost California in 08 and eight other late primaries. Demsrule86 Jun 2016 #73

So what? Renew Deal Jun 2016 #93

I guess...he sulks because super delegate know beachbum bob Jun 2016 #21

He does not have the votes kentuck.. Peacetrain Jun 2016 #22

There is nothing that can happen in the remaining contests that will help Bernie. It's over. nt stevenleser Jun 2016 #25

It would be like a 69-90 baseball team ending the season with a 3-game winning streak. Nye Bevan Jun 2016 #27

That's a good way of putting it. You aren't going to the playoffs let alone win the World Series. nt stevenleser Jun 2016 #29

There is no NIT for the runner up. onenote Jun 2016 #43

he gets denied a speaking slot, loses every single procedural and substantive vote geek tragedy Jun 2016 #28

Love & Kindness. frylock Jun 2016 #34

Same thing that happened to Obama in 08 auntpurl Jun 2016 #37

Exactly. Didn't Hillary win the final 4-5 states? She also had the popular vote. Didn't matter. nt BreakfastClub Jun 2016 #64

Shit hits the fan, mayhem, cliffordu Jun 2016 #44

He'd have to win really big in CA Algernon Moncrieff Jun 2016 #45

80/20 after the beatdown he's gonna get LoverOfLiberty Jun 2016 #50

Realistically, I don't see it at any level Algernon Moncrieff Jun 2016 #55

He can't win big enough Demsrule86 Jun 2016 #75

As a practical matter, I agree with you. Algernon Moncrieff Jun 2016 #86

He will most likely still lose the nomination LoverOfLiberty Jun 2016 #49

remember what Hillary said grasswire Jun 2016 #53

Losing CA would ding Clinton, but she'll still end up with a clear majority of pledged delegates. Garrett78 Jun 2016 #56

The nomination's decided by voting, not "momentum." Lord Magus Jun 2016 #57

Hillary took CA in '08 by a wide margin Zambero Jun 2016 #58

Then we'll hear that majority-nonwhite California is "too white to count" Scootaloo Jun 2016 #59

2008 California Democratic Primary jamese777 Jun 2016 #62

too many people on this thread ignore importance of Bernie's strength on OTHER than nomination ... cloudythescribbler Jun 2016 #63

Absolutely not Demsrule86 Jun 2016 #77

It is statistically impossible at this point Demsrule86 Jun 2016 #70

momnetun means notheing when you already lost beachbum bob Jun 2016 #76

Watch... MrMickeysMom Jun 2016 #78

In 2008, Clinton won California by 8.3%. She lost the primary and so would Sanders. Agnosticsherbet Jun 2016 #80

The FBI being involved means all prior norms are inapplicable. Waiting For Everyman Jun 2016 #85

They will vote formally on it. onenote Jun 2016 #87

Nonsense. Waiting For Everyman Jun 2016 #88

Tre is no scenario where he will have the majority of pledged delegates oberliner Jun 2016 #97