2016 Postmortem

tonyt53

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38. None of the things you mentioned have a chance in hell without Democrats running the country

Fri Jun 3, 2016, 04:25 PM

Jun 2016

That includes at least the WH and Senate. Bernie has done jack shit to help all but one person running for seat in the Senate. Why is that? Does he not know that the Senate has to change too? Why has he not talked about the need to vote for downticket Democrats during his pep rallies? There is no way that single payer healthcare can pass immediately. HRC tried that over 20 years ago. HRC has called for debt relief for student debt. The elimination of superpacs also depends upon Democrats running the Senate and WH. Oh, and that green energy thing, it also takes time, and the wheels are already moving in case you have missed it. Many parts of the country have no sustainable wind an many others do not have sustainable sunlight to warrant solar right now, but the wheels are turning.

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Peace Needs To Be Made Between Hillary And Sanders Camps [View all] Sandersdemocrat2020 Jun 2016 OP

Is this the 'honeymoon' phase of the cycle? azurnoir Jun 2016 #1

LOL! rock Jun 2016 #108

More than likely today's script. HooptieWagon Jun 2016 #111

definitely! Bernie will win CA & the Nomination and they are terrrified amborin Jun 2016 #197

Peace is essential, and it will come. MineralMan Jun 2016 #2

you already do you've accomplished one of them azurnoir Jun 2016 #6

Says the man who post pictures of Bernie coyote Jun 2016 #9

Yeah, like right here ---> TheCowsCameHome Jun 2016 #18

I agree with you Happyhippychick Jun 2016 #3

Once we flush the broccoli maybe. panader0 Jun 2016 #4

Until Senator Sanders throws in the towel, I'll not aknowlege anything. notadmblnd Jun 2016 #5

Respect Sandersdemocrat2020 Jun 2016 #14

I am a Sanders Supporter and I reject her Positions Baobab Jun 2016 #99

For me, no. Sanders and Clinton are farther apart, ideologically, than Clinton and Trump. Maedhros Jun 2016 #7

I Understand Sandersdemocrat2020 Jun 2016 #16

This is how you come together. Agree Clinton is more inline with Trump. Saying she is center right, seabeyond Jun 2016 #32

Not Sure Sandersdemocrat2020 Jun 2016 #52

Clinton is among the top 15% of the most liberal/progressive in congress. seabeyond Jun 2016 #67

What I Said Sandersdemocrat2020 Jun 2016 #83

Another Point Sandersdemocrat2020 Jun 2016 #64

You are not promoting reasonable. And that is what I am reasonably telling you. seabeyond Jun 2016 #66

Then our votes aren't wanted. HooptieWagon Jun 2016 #72

She is offering progressive policy, progressive Supreme Court pick. She is offering the Democratic seabeyond Jun 2016 #75

She offers war, fracking, TPP, more bank deregulation,... HooptieWagon Jun 2016 #90

Campaign Rhetoric. seabeyond Jun 2016 #98

Neoliberal bait and switch is more like it. 99Forever Jun 2016 #106

Ah, you are being mean. seabeyond Jun 2016 #113

Nope. Being honest. 99Forever Jun 2016 #117

Lol. seabeyond Jun 2016 #121

Thank you, but we won't need luck. annavictorious Jun 2016 #131

Actually you do. Lots of it. Wait for it Jun 2016 #182

We Voted For Sanders Sandersdemocrat2020 Jun 2016 #97

No. Sanders does not have power. That is the illusion. He lost. The loser does not hold the power, seabeyond Jun 2016 #103

He Hasn't Lost Sandersdemocrat2020 Jun 2016 #112

Winner.... Loser. Clinton is the winner. Sanders is the loser. seabeyond Jun 2016 #115

Clinton Loses Sandersdemocrat2020 Jun 2016 #129

We disagree. I think Clinton easily has it. We will haev to see. seabeyond Jun 2016 #144

with all due respect DonCoquixote Jun 2016 #187

No, Sea, you're not being reasonable TDale313 Jun 2016 #207

YOU and your snotty comments are a reason unity will be difficult! Chasstev365 Jun 2016 #155

Because I say you are not allowed to hold the winner hostage for vote, demanding she reject her seabeyond Jun 2016 #161

Yes; it's all about sexism. NOT! Very telling comment your part! Chasstev365 Jun 2016 #164

Tell me a single time EVER a loser man, running against a winner man DEMANDS seabeyond Jun 2016 #166

When Reagan Won Sandersdemocrat2020 Jun 2016 #195

In "some" ways "Center Right?" Maedhros Jun 2016 #53

Clinton Sandersdemocrat2020 Jun 2016 #57

How is supporting the private prison industry - to the extent of appointing their lobbyists Maedhros Jun 2016 #80

She's as Center-Left as Jeb Bush. HooptieWagon Jun 2016 #93

This is my primary beef with the Democratic Party rank-and-file: Maedhros Jun 2016 #105

+ ∞ Juicy_Bellows Jun 2016 #126

The Difference Sandersdemocrat2020 Jun 2016 #107

When has the DLC/Third Way ever moved left? HooptieWagon Jun 2016 #110

Bingo. HooptieWagon Jun 2016 #100

You cant be AT the table if you are ON it being carved up. Baobab Jun 2016 #104

lolz obamanut2012 Jun 2016 #31

How do you figure HarmonyRockets Jun 2016 #33

Fuck no I won't support trump. Maedhros Jun 2016 #51

Political Compass - the people that put major Democrats to the right of Hitler. baldguy Jun 2016 #68

Two dimensions Android3.14 Jun 2016 #114

Yes it is simple. Berners see Gandhi < Hitler < Clinton. baldguy Jun 2016 #145

Huh? BlindTiresias Jun 2016 #171

Yes, and the X-axis is Left-Right - with Hitler in the *center*, to the left of Clinton. baldguy Jun 2016 #172

Post removed Post removed Jun 2016 #188

You're defending Nazism. Putting people in ovens is not toleration of inequality. baldguy Jun 2016 #192

How I Figure Sandersdemocrat2020 Jun 2016 #54

"protect the Supreme Court and preserve Obamacare and other Policies" that is out of the Pragmatic Vincardog Jun 2016 #168

Yeah, losing the Supreme Court for a generation will bring you "IMMEDIATE DECISIVE ACTION" BzaDem Jun 2016 #191

My "Strategy"? What is wrong with demanding the actions REQUIRED to save our country and planet? Vincardog Jun 2016 #198

You said BzaDem Jun 2016 #199

Did you read past the first line? How in your estimation am I putting the SC at risk? I am fighting Vincardog Jun 2016 #200

The SCOTUS is a necessary condition to keeping the planet habitable. BzaDem Jun 2016 #203

Luckily we are not to the point where HRC is the candidate. Vincardog Jun 2016 #205

This message was self-deleted by its author artislife Jun 2016 #60

Soooo, you would prefer Trump over Hillary? Beacool Jun 2016 #69

Exactly. If they wanted unity they should have run an FDR Democrat not a neocon. GoneFishin Jun 2016 #157

205 posts in solidarity with an anti-semite. VulgarPoet Jun 2016 #8

Would they have listened if Republicans told them to "get past your differences" with George Bush? Maedhros Jun 2016 #12

"and not once have I ever hauled off at the mouth with hate for another race. " TimPlo Jun 2016 #13

Well, to be perfectly fair, bvf Jun 2016 #194

I think the purity crowd has no interest in making peace with the other side. LonePirate Jun 2016 #10

By purity you mean TimPlo Jun 2016 #15

I know you're not that dumb to not know exactly who the purity crowd is around here. LonePirate Jun 2016 #20

Principles and scruples and such are for losers, right? lagomorph777 Jun 2016 #19

They are mostly for hypocrites around here given how they would rather see Trump win than Clinton. LonePirate Jun 2016 #22

Correction: we see a Hillary coronation as Trump's best hope. lagomorph777 Jun 2016 #27

The party has spoken whether you believe it has or not. LonePirate Jun 2016 #41

Tired of being called a Trump supporter by those who are assuring his ascendancy. lagomorph777 Jun 2016 #45

That's the root of it right there, and thank you for posting it. Miles Archer Jun 2016 #73

That's the thing with you purity types - the utter hypocrisy of your stance. LonePirate Jun 2016 #96

Oh yeah. You are off to my ignore list. mac56 Jun 2016 #123

Excellent! My truths have touched another nerve while affirming everything I said. LonePirate Jun 2016 #125

"Purity Crowd" ? Pot meet Kettle 2banon Jun 2016 #30

One candidate's supporters here welcome everyone. The other only wants pure progressives. LonePirate Jun 2016 #36

There's a reason the HRC group is known as "camp bansalot" Fumesucker Jun 2016 #56

The Sanders group isn't known for its welcoming ways either, especially the admins there. LonePirate Jun 2016 #58

I wasn't the one claiming that my faction was so welcoming... Fumesucker Jun 2016 #61

I'm not a member of the Hillary faction. I didn't vote for her. LonePirate Jun 2016 #65

This message was self-deleted by its author TM99 Jun 2016 #133

And yet the purity crowd is going out of their to way to help elect Trump in November. LonePirate Jun 2016 #139

This message was self-deleted by its author TM99 Jun 2016 #143

Speaking of basic civics, surely you know only Clinton or Trump will win in November. LonePirate Jun 2016 #150

This message was self-deleted by its author TM99 Jun 2016 #156

This message was self-deleted by its author felix_numinous Jun 2016 #185

The best peace I can offer is to completely tune out of the rightward march of this party, Joe the Revelator Jun 2016 #11

I'm afraid that's where I am too. After Hillary's warmonger speech I'm done with her. lagomorph777 Jun 2016 #21

You sound like one of 2000's HarmonyRockets Jun 2016 #39

I'm pretty bummed. lagomorph777 Jun 2016 #43

I don't see Trump improving the situation either. HarmonyRockets Jun 2016 #88

Not at all. Joe the Revelator Jun 2016 #47

This message was self-deleted by its author artislife Jun 2016 #62

And then there were 300,000 conservadems that voted for bush nadinbrzezinski Jun 2016 #74

Which is why HarmonyRockets Jun 2016 #89

Let me get this straight you need progressives now nadinbrzezinski Jun 2016 #92

I don't care if you are a conservadem or progressive HarmonyRockets Jun 2016 #118

Or the dogs gets it BRILLIANT nadinbrzezinski Jun 2016 #120

You'll have to explain HarmonyRockets Jun 2016 #132

It is basic poli science nadinbrzezinski Jun 2016 #137

I am only a Democrat the extent that they embrace progressive Ed Suspicious Jun 2016 #138

What has the Third Way ever done for progressives? HooptieWagon Jun 2016 #140

Hillary was pleased as punch to have a war to vote for. HooptieWagon Jun 2016 #136

Discussion Sandersdemocrat2020 Jun 2016 #17

Things are still very painful and raw. It'll take a while but I'm Maru Kitteh Jun 2016 #23

I have red lines icecreamfan Jun 2016 #24

None of the things you mentioned have a chance in hell without Democrats running the country tonyt53 Jun 2016 #38

Even CNN wrote Sanders is a "prolific" fundraiser for Democrats icecreamfan Jun 2016 #49

peace will be at hand on June 16th. Tarc Jun 2016 #25

Clarify what you mean "earned a place at the Table". He has made demands of picking the VP, seabeyond Jun 2016 #26

A Place At The Table Sandersdemocrat2020 Jun 2016 #76

Threat. I am so fuckin tired of the bullying threat. I read only the first couple paragraphs seabeyond Jun 2016 #77

Compromise Sandersdemocrat2020 Jun 2016 #119

There is no compromise. I asked, you have not expressed a single bit of compromise anywhere. seabeyond Jun 2016 #122

Our Votes Sandersdemocrat2020 Jun 2016 #134

It is not a compromise. The election tells whose agenda. Geez, people. Never. You never hear the seabeyond Jun 2016 #146

Compromise Sandersdemocrat2020 Jun 2016 #174

Another Point Sandersdemocrat2020 Jun 2016 #81

Then Sanders should have run as Independent. That simple dude. Do not follow the rules, go away. seabeyond Jun 2016 #84

The Rules Sandersdemocrat2020 Jun 2016 #124

YOU, Sanders is looking for the fuckin coronation. Not Clinton. She earned her votes, and won the seabeyond Jun 2016 #147

And you guys just are not all that. Plenty of Sanders supporters have no probably seabeyond Jun 2016 #148

More Compromise Sandersdemocrat2020 Jun 2016 #167

I was the first to say you have the right to vote, not vote whatever. seabeyond Jun 2016 #169

Politics Sandersdemocrat2020 Jun 2016 #173

If progressive policy and progressive Supreme Court doesn't work for you, don't vote. seabeyond Jun 2016 #175

LOL, classy as usual. Logical Jun 2016 #95

You have a problem with me what clarification? You think I ought to argue something without seabeyond Jun 2016 #101

It started long ago, on one side. Hillary has laid off Bernie for a good while now. CrowCityDem Jun 2016 #28

The funny thing I think.... Txbluedog Jun 2016 #29

I havwe been thinking that myself as of late Peacetrain Jun 2016 #37

"i am a sanders supporter, but..." shanti Jun 2016 #34

+++I have a friend who 840high Jun 2016 #40

"But" Sandersdemocrat2020 Jun 2016 #158

That was a red flag for me too. kayakjohnny Jun 2016 #86

Yah, a 50-post Bernie Butter Ino Jun 2016 #109

Bingo. HooptieWagon Jun 2016 #141

The real enemy is corporatism, of which Trump is only one of the symptoms. So no. Betty Karlson Jun 2016 #35

+1 840high Jun 2016 #44

Camp Weathervane has made it clear that the Left isn't wanted,... HooptieWagon Jun 2016 #42

I been called everything, including racist for supporting Bernie. I can't count how B Calm Jun 2016 #59

I'm with your B Calm Chasstev365 Jun 2016 #180

The poison had already been served, dark and cold ... Trajan Jun 2016 #46

It takes time. Buzz cook Jun 2016 #48

I dunno about 'peace', a working alliance is sufficient HereSince1628 Jun 2016 #50

Well Said Sandersdemocrat2020 Jun 2016 #142

Good luck with that! B Calm Jun 2016 #55

welcome to du, but nope restorefreedom Jun 2016 #63

Nope. nt Cali_Democrat Jun 2016 #70

Thank you for your post. Beacool Jun 2016 #71

I'm not so convinced that you are a Sanders supporter. kayakjohnny Jun 2016 #78

Why don't you search his/her posts? nt LAS14 Jun 2016 #130

I did. kayakjohnny Jun 2016 #151

I Am A Sanders Supporter Sandersdemocrat2020 Jun 2016 #149

Anyone can say they are. kayakjohnny Jun 2016 #153

Honestly Sandersdemocrat2020 Jun 2016 #159

You could just as easily be breaking your back kayakjohnny Jun 2016 #162

Why? Sandersdemocrat2020 Jun 2016 #163

OK. At this point I will have to take your word. kayakjohnny Jun 2016 #165

Caution Sandersdemocrat2020 Jun 2016 #170

This would be an example of the result of a really stupid campaign. jeff47 Jun 2016 #79

The best part is that even now they keep at it nadinbrzezinski Jun 2016 #87

Well, they've had a year to come up with jeff47 Jun 2016 #91

Yup nadinbrzezinski Jun 2016 #94

That sums up the entire primary for me pengu Jun 2016 #202

Like this...Hillary never went at Bernie... beachbum bob Jun 2016 #82

Kudos for trying.....nt asuhornets Jun 2016 #85

Thanks Sandersdemocrat2020 Jun 2016 #160

I'm not boarding that train. nt malokvale77 Jun 2016 #102

It will be made. bigwillq Jun 2016 #116

I sincerely hope you are correct. Hokie Jun 2016 #128

I'm with you! LAS14 Jun 2016 #127

It's Hillary Clinton's job to make peace felix_numinous Jun 2016 #135

I'm completely against money in politics from corporations, that's what I think. Joob Jun 2016 #152

I think we ought to let the people vote!! nt Jack Bone Jun 2016 #154

I think that you're absolutely right. Tal Vez Jun 2016 #176

It will be cilla4progress Jun 2016 #177

It is what it is. CentralMass Jun 2016 #178

What do I think? PowerToThePeople Jun 2016 #179

I absolutely agree. Demsrule86 Jun 2016 #181

"Hillary supporters are not the problem..." bvf Jun 2016 #211

Thanks Sandersdemocrat2020 Jun 2016 #183

It seems like many Sanders supporter only want peace if it comes along with the nomination. StevieM Jun 2016 #184

. B Calm Jun 2016 #186

I think we need change, big change, not peace. nt Live and Learn Jun 2016 #189

Yes, and it will be a lot easier after one of them (ahem) bows out. It's just a matter of time. ucrdem Jun 2016 #190

No, peace needs to made between Sanders and Hillary...he is fighting her, she is running her campaig Jitter65 Jun 2016 #193

As soon as Hillary withdraws from the primaries, I will consider this amborin Jun 2016 #196

WELCOME TO DU!! Jack Bone Jun 2016 #201

I second that! pnwmom Jun 2016 #204

No Hillary, know peace. Jester Messiah Jun 2016 #206

sounds like another get in line OP to me. sorry no can do. desmiller Jun 2016 #208

I think the people that like to disrupt on this website have found a golden ticket to do so. Rex Jun 2016 #209

A platform, and commitment to it by the candidates, is how it will happen. Orsino Jun 2016 #210