2016 Postmortem

Live and Learn

(12,769 posts) Sat Jun 4, 2016, 01:37 PM Jun 2016

It is not about hating Hillary. It is not about loving Bernie. [View all]

It is about trying to bring politics back to supporting issues that people care about.
It is about taking corporation money out of politics.
It is about a fair economy system.
It is about a fair justice system.
It is about the environment.
It is about lifting all of us and not ignoring the poor.
It is about educating our populace so that we can compete in the world economy without becoming a third world nation ourselves.
It is about treating all people with dignity.
It is about freedom and ending mass incarceration.
It is about ensuring our elderly have enough to survive and enjoy their twilight years.
It is about the ensuring the children have a future.

It will not end in days or weeks or months or even years. We will never give up and we will win or we will have no future.

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It is not about hating Hillary. It is not about loving Bernie. [View all] Live and Learn Jun 2016 OP

The people you are telling this to do not understand. n/t djean111 Jun 2016 #1

I think many understand but simply don't give a rat's ass. Juicy_Bellows Jun 2016 #3

I think it's an authoritarian problem. The devotees feel more comfortable living by the guidance rhett o rick Jun 2016 #17

You got that right. Juicy_Bellows Jun 2016 #19

So true. nt Live and Learn Jun 2016 #24

Well stated. [n/t] Maedhros Jun 2016 #56

Who are the ones arguing elections should be overturned BainsBane Jun 2016 #77

How ironic would that be if the Super-Delegates were to rule in favor of the People rhett o rick Jun 2016 #97

They are voting in accordance with the people's vote BainsBane Jun 2016 #99

Juicy bellows: SCantiGOP Jun 2016 #62

Or maybe we actually care about policy BainsBane Jun 2016 #72

Then, it's even more relevant... MrMickeysMom Jun 2016 #31

Bravo. I believe most all DU'ers understand and believe in this emulatorloo Jun 2016 #2

Yes, that's what we are talking about All in it together Jun 2016 #4

Yep, and for being brave enough to run. He did us a YUUUUGE favor in doing so. Live and Learn Jun 2016 #6

amen larkrake Jun 2016 #26

I'm sorry, but the anti Hillary post outweigh the pro-Bernie posts here. nt asuhornets Jun 2016 #5

Looking through rose-thorn-colored glasses? nt Live and Learn Jun 2016 #7

Bernie Sanders as well as his supporters, did alot of things wrong during this primary.. asuhornets Jun 2016 #12

I think he and we ran an excellent campaign that generated a lot of enthusiasm and brought Live and Learn Jun 2016 #13

Interesting that they speak of "unity" and yet show such arrogance like rhett o rick Jun 2016 #21

Matthew 7.4-7.5 N.T. Donald Ian Rankin Jun 2016 #27

Is that some kind of strange code? nt Live and Learn Jun 2016 #42

;-) handmade34 Jun 2016 #102

Yeah from absolutely nothing to almost half the vote....Terrible job Armstead Jun 2016 #110

You'll have that, but what else do you see? MrMickeysMom Jun 2016 #33

I just told you what I saw...nt asuhornets Jun 2016 #40

IOW.... nothing at all... MrMickeysMom Jun 2016 #43

You can't take constructive criticism, just like Sanders...always someone else fault..nt asuhornets Jun 2016 #44

That's the point... there was nothing constructive in your comment... MrMickeysMom Jun 2016 #48

Because it does not matter anymore--CLinton has won--no need for arguing.. asuhornets Jun 2016 #54

News Flash just to the clueless: It ALWAYS mattered... MrMickeysMom Jun 2016 #55

+1000 nt Live and Learn Jun 2016 #83

There are more pro Bernie posts here because Bernie supporters post about Bernie. Autumn Jun 2016 #60

Not true..On GD: P alone most posts were anti-Hillary..Rarely there r pro-bernie posts. asuhornets Jun 2016 #61

Like I said, there must be some positive, nice things you supporters could post about her instead Autumn Jun 2016 #63

makes sense,,,,nt asuhornets Jun 2016 #67

Do you think that Hillary can defeat Trump without Bernie supporters' JDPriestly Jun 2016 #78

It was not always so PowerToThePeople Jun 2016 #64

The way I see it --When Sanders supporters here at DU knew they were in the majority asuhornets Jun 2016 #65

You did not see what I saw then. PowerToThePeople Jun 2016 #66

Facts are neither "anti" nor "pro." Insults are always "anti." senz Jun 2016 #71

+1000 nt Live and Learn Jun 2016 #84

Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Jun 2016 #8

Exactly. highprincipleswork Jun 2016 #9

Hear, hear! onecaliberal Jun 2016 #10

^^^THIS^^^ me b zola Jun 2016 #11

Scrutinizing and criticizing candidates does not equal "hate". Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2016 #14

The right hates Hillary. The fringe left hates Hillary... SidDithers Jun 2016 #15

Ridiculous. nt Live and Learn Jun 2016 #16

Simple minds usually think in simple terms. n/t tabasco Jun 2016 #20

The OP gives a good list of what the "fringe left" would like. If they are so terrible rhett o rick Jun 2016 #22

Not everyone hates Hillary - Kissinger, Richard Perle, the Neocons, the Banksters, Wall Street, rhett o rick Jun 2016 #30

Hehehe... SidDithers Jun 2016 #46

The fringe left G_j Jun 2016 #35

yep - haters abound DrDan Jun 2016 #45

There is only right and fringe for you, Sid... MrMickeysMom Jun 2016 #49

Stunning and obtuse. And authoritarian...almost forgot. LOL libdem4life Jun 2016 #59

I believe people forsake the claim to being part of the left BainsBane Jun 2016 #74

So you are not the judge or who can claim the left? Too bad your posts speak otherwise. Live and Learn Jun 2016 #85

How does my post speak otherwise? BainsBane Jun 2016 #91

It's a like a horseshoe. NurseJackie Jun 2016 #93

This message was self-deleted by its author randome Jun 2016 #18

Wow, you would have to be blind to think that, to many Sanders supporters on DU, It's all Trust Buster Jun 2016 #23

Perhaps our vision comes from the fact that DU voices HATED Clinton long before Sanders got in... brooklynite Jun 2016 #25

Yes, but still, how can anyone claim that Sanders supporters on DU haven't hated on Hillary ? Trust Buster Jun 2016 #29

Disliking policy decisions like supporting illicit wars does not equate to hatred for an individual. Live and Learn Jun 2016 #28

Calling her a "baby killer" is hateful. Many Sanders supporters did that. Yesterday they even Trust Buster Jun 2016 #32

Well, wars do kill babies. An ugly fact that many would like to ignore. nt Live and Learn Jun 2016 #34

Remind me what the F-35 is intended for? brooklynite Jun 2016 #36

Nothing but jobs from what I have read. Do you have a problem with jobs? nt Live and Learn Jun 2016 #37

Oh, BK-ite. That's a VERY specious argument. Wilms Jun 2016 #39

Reminder: Sanders said he would continue the use of drones. randome Jun 2016 #57

sorry - I have a hard time believing that - if it were true, there would be no BoBs DrDan Jun 2016 #38

As I stated above, refusing to vote for an unethical candidate does not equal hate. nt Live and Learn Jun 2016 #41

I can understand you love all of those things. But I have not seen him produce one single eastwestdem Jun 2016 #47

I can respect that but if your candidate doesn't even talk about the important issues, Live and Learn Jun 2016 #50

Well then you don't know much about Bernie Sanders senz Jun 2016 #73

It's not paying for the proposals that's at question. It's getting them through congress. eastwestdem Jun 2016 #96

Repubs hate Hill. Bernie gets things done under GOP administrations. senz Jun 2016 #98

Kicked and recced!! eom Arazi Jun 2016 #51

No...there has been clear hate rhetoric here against Hillary Sheepshank Jun 2016 #52

And against Bernie but that isn't what this OP is about. nt Live and Learn Jun 2016 #53

But "hate" is such a lovely, simple talking point! Orsino Jun 2016 #58

You lost Demsrule86 Jun 2016 #68

LOL Thanks for demonstrating how ineffectual and pathetic such tactics are. nt Live and Learn Jun 2016 #69

I don't undertand what you want or need? Demsrule86 Jun 2016 #92

I can tell you what would satisfy the majority of Sanders supporters. unapatriciated Jun 2016 #105

Bernie already was able to put people on the platform of his choosing Demsrule86 Jun 2016 #106

Yes he has and that's a start. unapatriciated Jun 2016 #107

Bernie gets a chance to make his case Demsrule86 Jun 2016 #108

Thank You for your reply unapatriciated Jun 2016 #109

It's about accepting the fact that other people also have a right to vote BainsBane Jun 2016 #70

There are nine primaries left. senz Jun 2016 #75

She's 61 delegates away from the nomination BainsBane Jun 2016 #79

Here Bains, check this out -- senz Jun 2016 #81

+ a gazillion. nt Live and Learn Jun 2016 #89

Hillary could win today. Demsrule86 Jun 2016 #101

This is a wonderful OP, Live and Learn. It's the truth. senz Jun 2016 #76

OP MFM008 Jun 2016 #80

And you should cease to believe that Hillary will actually support any of them. nt Live and Learn Jun 2016 #88

Excellent OP Live and Learn! You summed it up very well. We just want to bring jillan Jun 2016 #82

Oh, they will if we we support them. Live and Learn Jun 2016 #87

This is a good time to get things started and DU can be useful. senz Jun 2016 #100

Thanks, Jillan. I just hope we can fix it all in time. I am a bit worried that Bernie may have Live and Learn Jun 2016 #90

^^^^^^^^^^^ Amen! ^^^^^^^^^^^ pdsimdars Jun 2016 #86

This^^^ Silver_Witch Jun 2016 #94

YES, yes, yes, Duppers Jun 2016 #95

So what will you do to accomplish these things? Andy823 Jun 2016 #103

Yes, indeed. An excellent post. stage left Jun 2016 #104