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politicaljunkie41910

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48. Here are some other issues that you haven't mentioned.
Sat Jun 4, 2016, 05:43 PM
Jun 2016

Just to give you a few that I included in another post a few months ago.

Bernie's projected costs were based on current funding levels based on current enrollment levels and states being 100% responsible for the facilities themselves and the costs of maintenance and construction with the federal government picking up a percentage of the costs for administration costs. (This may not be exact but it's roughly what I recall. I don't have time to go look it up currently, but I did before.) The problem with this is that I believe that college enrollment would double at least if not triple the current levels if college was suddenly free in all states. The reason being is that currently only those who can afford to go to college, usually go. (That includes those receiving financial assistance). But if college tuition was suddenly free for everyone, there would be many more people who would want to go. What about those middle-aged folks who have lost their jobs or are in dead end jobs and would like to go to college now that it's free. What about those who never went to college because they couldn't afford to go and took a dead end job like working in retail, or some other low wage, mundane employment opportunity. That bunch might also now want to go to college for the first time, since it's now FREE. What about older workers whose jobs have been outsourced, or mothers who married young and never had a chance to go to college, and now want to go. What about those middle aged people who have current jobs but no college education and see the handwriting on the wall as their jobs are outsourced or risk being automated and decided that since college is now free, this is the time to try a new career. What about the young girl who decides to go college because her boyfriend is going to college.

My point is that everything I've seen related to Bernie's plans is about young people who are high school age but doesn't take into consideration that new pool of college applicants who are not being considered in the equation, and who would be if college was suddenly free for all, and you couldn't discriminate and make college free for some but not for all. After all those displaced workers or the suddenly unemployed were once taxpayers and it wouldn't be fair to charge some people tuition and not others. Also, there would still be costs beyond tuition costs which have not been considered. Tuition makes up only half the costs of college if you're not living at home with your parents which the majority or college students aren't. As a matter of fact, current financial aid packages rewards those who don't live at home with their parents or who don't stay local, which encourages them to incur more cost.

The American people won't tolerate a federal free college program that works for some and not for all. That's called discrimination and we've been down that road before. The program Bernie's proposed must be available to all students and it's going to cost a lot more than what Bernie has calculated in his plan. Therefore, taxes will have to be raised beyond what Bernie has included in his plans which means his current plan is not workable.

here are a few problems with it geek tragedy Jun 2016 #1
Thank you for such a thoughtful reply. thucythucy Jun 2016 #5
Nice discussion, you two. Good point on both sides, nt Jitter65 Jun 2016 #17
It's my understanding that a much smaller percentage makes it to college in Europe? bettyellen Jun 2016 #20
My thought on fixing primary education thucythucy Jun 2016 #30
Thanks Thucy! I agree there has to be a better way to fund schools. I know it went to the courts in bettyellen Jun 2016 #42
Here are some other issues that you haven't mentioned. politicaljunkie41910 Jun 2016 #48
Interesting and informative post. thucythucy Jun 2016 #49
Thanks for your civil response. It's really in short supply here at DU these days. politicaljunkie41910 Jun 2016 #54
This message was self-deleted by its author PufPuf23 Jun 2016 #46
People in this country for the most part have not clue SheilaT Jun 2016 #2
It is not a realistic goal Demsrule86 Jun 2016 #3
I'm not familiar with the program in Georgia-- thucythucy Jun 2016 #7
The Hope Scholarship is still working well in GA. aikoaiko Jun 2016 #14
"lottery revenue" ProgressiveEconomist Jun 2016 #18
The GA lottery also augments prek-12 education. aikoaiko Jun 2016 #19
It does not work well Demsrule86 Jun 2016 #21
I've lived in GA since 1999 and while HOPE is not perfect it helps aikoaiko Jun 2016 #23
"State has reduced funding ProgressiveEconomist Jun 2016 #24
The biggest cuts to state funding were during recent recession aikoaiko Jun 2016 #25
There is no Hope any more Demsrule86 Jun 2016 #29
Instate Tuition and fees at OH and UGA are the same. aikoaiko Jun 2016 #35
It is a bad thing when it drives tuition up Demsrule86 Jun 2016 #37
My niece was forced to drop out of college Demsrule86 Jun 2016 #27
Sorry about your niece aikoaiko Jun 2016 #34
The standard are so high now for the Zell scholarship which is what is used mostly for UGA Demsrule86 Jun 2016 #36
ok hill2016 Jun 2016 #4
Your questions would need to be answered for any proposal to work. thucythucy Jun 2016 #9
I believe federalization of state schools would be near impossible. eom yawnmaster Jun 2016 #6
You're probably right. thucythucy Jun 2016 #12
Why would they have to be federalized? They are already jwirr Jun 2016 #16
Feasible and much better ProgressiveEconomist Jun 2016 #8
I like this proposal as well thucythucy Jun 2016 #10
It would stop her friends the banksters from bloodsucking students. Waiting For Everyman Jun 2016 #11
Not the most helpful of replies. Nt. thucythucy Jun 2016 #13
You're right, I edited Waiting For Everyman Jun 2016 #15
Thanks. I'll get to it later today. Nt. thucythucy Jun 2016 #31
I would also like to point out that since Demsrule86 Jun 2016 #22
Still don't understand how? MichMan Jun 2016 #26
Can you post a link explaining the rise in tuition since, say, the 1980s? thucythucy Jun 2016 #32
Loans enable the increases MichMan Jun 2016 #38
The really big factor in public college tuition increases QC Jun 2016 #43
Excellent point thucythucy Jun 2016 #50
Very good couple of points I had not considered. Thank you. Nt seabeyond Jun 2016 #44
It's not only an expense, it is an investment in the future Hav Jun 2016 #28
Thanks for your perspective. thucythucy Jun 2016 #33
Used to be for the free college stuff until I looked deeper forjusticethunders Jun 2016 #39
MASSIVE transfer of wealth from the poor to the middle and upper class seabeyond Jun 2016 #45
ThucyThucy, a very informative thread. Thank you. The replies that supply information is the DU seabeyond Jun 2016 #40
Hi Seabeyond! thucythucy Jun 2016 #52
Why not just increase Pell grants? Orangepeel Jun 2016 #41
Increasing Pell grants should definitely be a part of the mix thucythucy Jun 2016 #55
Then who will join the military... actslikeacarrot Jun 2016 #47
Hillary Clinton is the worst candidate we've ever run as Democrats. Aerows Jun 2016 #51
Sanders offers nothing on actually controlling the runaway cost beachbumbob Jun 2016 #53
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