2016 Postmortem

Agnosticsherbet

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80. In 2008, Clinton won California by 8.3%. She lost the primary and so would Sanders.

Sat Jun 4, 2016, 11:19 PM

Jun 2016

He loses because Clinton will have won a simple majority of pledged delegates, a large majority of Democratic votes, and the most states.

What can he do to convince superdelegates to tell a majority of Democrats that their votes to matter?

It isn't their job to coronate someone who did not win the majority of votes in the Democratic party.

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What happens if Bernie wins California and "marches into convention with enormous momentum"? [View all] kentuck Jun 2016 OP

momentum of falling yet further behind in delegate count? "winning" a state has no real value msongs Jun 2016 #1

a close win is no different than a loss for Bernie redstateblues Jun 2016 #4

Hillary is nominated. RandySF Jun 2016 #2

Welcome back to the future, doc lagomorph777 Jun 2016 #5

What will happen when he keeps attacking "Mexican Heritage" 24/7? emulatorloo Jun 2016 #8

Yeah, battle of the uglies lagomorph777 Jun 2016 #9

Totally get that emulatorloo Jun 2016 #11

None of that would have even the slightest impact. Nobody would care. Lord Magus Jun 2016 #46

Trump is doing this already MFM008 Jun 2016 #65

Arguably, he didn't know the rules... scscholar Jun 2016 #79

That has been going on forever Demsrule86 Jun 2016 #71

These Folks Got Their Heads Down So Deep In The Sand That They Will Just Continue To Ignore All... CorporatistNation Jun 2016 #89

Is Sanders wins California he'll still be way behind in votes and pledged delegates. brooklynite Jun 2016 #3

I love the way the fucking standards change when a woman is the nominee. nt LexVegas Jun 2016 #6

Let's discuss the Unprecedented, vote nullifying, standard JimDandy Jun 2016 #17

Losing hurts, huh? nt LexVegas Jun 2016 #18

Ah, so predictable. A flaming apologist for all things Hillary, even the undermining JimDandy Jun 2016 #23

you obviously have zero idea of how the NV system works geek tragedy Jun 2016 #35

The rule change that Clinton engineered at the state convention JimDandy Jun 2016 #40

that is simply and completely false, and also egregiously hypocritical geek tragedy Jun 2016 #41

That is an outright lie. County conventions were not "voided." Period. Lord Magus Jun 2016 #47

I love the way everything is about race or sex for you. frylock Jun 2016 #30

^^^^^^!!!!!!!!^^^^^^!!!!!!!^^^^^^^!!!!!! (this) JudyM Jun 2016 #48

When you have no positions, you have to default to identity Scootaloo Jun 2016 #61

You mean like the enormous double standards held when a Jewish person is a candidate? Scootaloo Jun 2016 #60

Ding, ding, ding! grossproffit Jun 2016 #66

Yes. It is amazing, isn't it? Thank you for pointing that out. The more I see this double-standard skylucy Jun 2016 #68

Obviously, only Sanders can decide what he will do under those circumstances. Tal Vez Jun 2016 #7

You know if he ekes out a win in CA, but gets blown out of PR, NM and NJ BeyondGeography Jun 2016 #10

The problem is that even if he wins CA, the 'momentum' won't last more than a couple of days. eastwestdem Jun 2016 #12

If Bernie wins California... SidDithers Jun 2016 #13

Elvis never did no drugs. n/t Matt_R Jun 2016 #98

Bernie has to drop out so if HRC is indicted Biden can be parachuted into the candidacy at the DNC Fumesucker Jun 2016 #14

Yes. Dave Zirin made that point (sort of) on "The Collision" RufusTFirefly Jun 2016 #33

Might be harder, but it will happen Renew Deal Jun 2016 #91

you're not clapping loud enough for the Indictment Fairy geek tragedy Jun 2016 #36

The indictment fairy isn't coming and nobody has fantasy plans to replace Hillary with Biden. Lord Magus Jun 2016 #54

As if Biden even wants it. Hiraeth Jun 2016 #74

I'm not sure Biden wants it either but he'll take one for the team if necessary Fumesucker Jun 2016 #84

Yep-- I really think that's why their demands that he drop out are suddenly getting so Marr Jun 2016 #81

Maybe it's not the conspiratorial reason you think Renew Deal Jun 2016 #92

But that's the thing. Bernie will not be given the nominaiton either way. Renew Deal Jun 2016 #90

I agree, they'd rather even Trump than Sanders Fumesucker Jun 2016 #94

If that's true, it's Sanders fault. Renew Deal Jun 2016 #96

In that case, Hillary Clinton becomes the nominee. MineralMan Jun 2016 #15

The Supers will switch lmbradford Jun 2016 #16

and how does he get more pledged delegates? onenote Jun 2016 #20

They are still working on that math Stuckinthebush Jun 2016 #82

A win in CA doesn't give him a delegates majority though. Not unless he gets upward of 75%. Lord Magus Jun 2016 #51

Actually its 68% lmbradford Jun 2016 #67

Only if you completely ignore the big wins Hillary's on the way to in PR, NJ and NM. Lord Magus Jun 2016 #69

He can't get more delegates...it is not possible nt Demsrule86 Jun 2016 #72

If Sanders wins California but loses big in New Mexico and New Jersey onenote Jun 2016 #19

The winner of CA will have enormous momentum because it is the stalwart JimDandy Jun 2016 #24

You're right. Losing California stopped Carter and Obama dead in their tracks onenote Jun 2016 #26

+1 nt Fresh_Start Jun 2016 #31

CA was a devastating loss for Obama, and made many superdelegates switch to Hillary, Nye Bevan Jun 2016 #32

CA wasn't in play in 2008 as far as weakness of a candidate JimDandy Jun 2016 #39

so contests early on don't create momentum, but contests at the end do? onenote Jun 2016 #42

Superdelegates will NOT simply overthrow democracy "beacuse momentum." Lord Magus Jun 2016 #52

It was on Super Tuesday in 2008, though, which Obama "won" in terms of the whole day Recursion Jun 2016 #83

The CA primary is very late in the race this time around. JimDandy Jun 2016 #38

Momentum like "perception" will be meaningless Renew Deal Jun 2016 #95

Sorry to burst your bubble. Pres. Obama lost California in 08 and eight other late primaries. Demsrule86 Jun 2016 #73

So what? Renew Deal Jun 2016 #93

I guess...he sulks because super delegate know beachbum bob Jun 2016 #21

He does not have the votes kentuck.. Peacetrain Jun 2016 #22

There is nothing that can happen in the remaining contests that will help Bernie. It's over. nt stevenleser Jun 2016 #25

It would be like a 69-90 baseball team ending the season with a 3-game winning streak. Nye Bevan Jun 2016 #27

That's a good way of putting it. You aren't going to the playoffs let alone win the World Series. nt stevenleser Jun 2016 #29

There is no NIT for the runner up. onenote Jun 2016 #43

he gets denied a speaking slot, loses every single procedural and substantive vote geek tragedy Jun 2016 #28

Love & Kindness. frylock Jun 2016 #34

Same thing that happened to Obama in 08 auntpurl Jun 2016 #37

Exactly. Didn't Hillary win the final 4-5 states? She also had the popular vote. Didn't matter. nt BreakfastClub Jun 2016 #64

Shit hits the fan, mayhem, cliffordu Jun 2016 #44

He'd have to win really big in CA Algernon Moncrieff Jun 2016 #45

80/20 after the beatdown he's gonna get LoverOfLiberty Jun 2016 #50

Realistically, I don't see it at any level Algernon Moncrieff Jun 2016 #55

He can't win big enough Demsrule86 Jun 2016 #75

As a practical matter, I agree with you. Algernon Moncrieff Jun 2016 #86

He will most likely still lose the nomination LoverOfLiberty Jun 2016 #49

remember what Hillary said grasswire Jun 2016 #53

Losing CA would ding Clinton, but she'll still end up with a clear majority of pledged delegates. Garrett78 Jun 2016 #56

The nomination's decided by voting, not "momentum." Lord Magus Jun 2016 #57

Hillary took CA in '08 by a wide margin Zambero Jun 2016 #58

Then we'll hear that majority-nonwhite California is "too white to count" Scootaloo Jun 2016 #59

2008 California Democratic Primary jamese777 Jun 2016 #62

too many people on this thread ignore importance of Bernie's strength on OTHER than nomination ... cloudythescribbler Jun 2016 #63

Absolutely not Demsrule86 Jun 2016 #77

It is statistically impossible at this point Demsrule86 Jun 2016 #70

momnetun means notheing when you already lost beachbum bob Jun 2016 #76

Watch... MrMickeysMom Jun 2016 #78

In 2008, Clinton won California by 8.3%. She lost the primary and so would Sanders. Agnosticsherbet Jun 2016 #80

The FBI being involved means all prior norms are inapplicable. Waiting For Everyman Jun 2016 #85

They will vote formally on it. onenote Jun 2016 #87

Nonsense. Waiting For Everyman Jun 2016 #88

Tre is no scenario where he will have the majority of pledged delegates oberliner Jun 2016 #97