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merrily

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66. I don't know if he had a draft number or not and neither do you. You don't know if he appealed,
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 10:52 PM
Jun 2016

either. All we know is that he applied and he did not get drafted or get a decision. And, I believe, but am not certain, that deferments or appeals would have extended the time of his eligibility beyond the minimum cut off age, anyway.

However, if he did have a number, his number simply was not called in the lottery. That would have had zero to do with appeals. It was also not Sanders' fault that the government took a long time to decide his case. All we know is that he was never drafted. Please don't post things that are not true or make up things to fill in what you don't know in an effort to make Sanders look worse. That would be ugly. Either way, he has had better judgment than Hillary about voting to send other people's children to war.

Speaking of which, double standards suck scissors, too. As I stated in a prior post, it was a long time ago, the time when Hillary was President of College Republicans at one of the then most liberal colleges in the nation and Hillary supporters keep saying she was too young to be accountable for that--and besides, she's "evolved." Well, she's not the only one who can evolve. Moreover, only one person in the group of four below served--and that was World War II and even he did his best to keep his deserter son out of Vietnam. Yet three of them have been President and the fourth thinks she should be and you agree with her.







Address to the Nation on the Invasion of Iraq (January 16, 1991)



George H. W. Bush


Just 2 hours ago, allied air forces began an attack on military targets in Iraq and Kuwait.
These attacks continue as I speak. Ground forces are not engaged.

This conflict started August 2d when the dictator of Iraq invaded a small and helpless neighbor. Kuwait—a member of the Arab League and a member of the United Nations—was crushed; its people, brutalized. Five months ago, Saddam Hussein started this cruel war against Kuwait. Tonight, the battle has been joined.


much more at:

http://www.millercenter.org/president/speeches/speech-3428

transcript: President Clinton explains Iraq strike

CLINTON: Good evening.

Earlier today, I ordered America's armed forces to strike military and security targets in Iraq. They are joined by British forces. Their mission is to attack Iraq's nuclear, chemical and biological weapons programs and its military capacity to threaten its neighbors.


much more at:

http://www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/stories/1998/12/16/transcripts/clinton.html






more at:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026211673



Senate vote on 2002 AUMF at:

https://www.govtrack.us/congress/votes/107-2002/s237



House vote on 2002 AUMF at:

https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/107/hjres114



10:16 P.M. EST

THE PRESIDENT: My fellow citizens, at this hour, American and coalition forces are in the early stages of military operations to disarm Iraq, to free its people and to defend the world from grave danger.


On my orders, coalition forces have begun striking selected targets of military importance to undermine Saddam Hussein's ability to wage war. These are opening stages of what will be a broad and concerted campaign. More than 35 countries are giving crucial support -- from the use of naval and air bases, to help with intelligence and logistics, to the deployment of combat units. Every nation in this coalition has chosen to bear the duty and share the honor of serving in our common defense.


more at http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2003/03/20030319-17.html






HA! nt Jitter65 Jun 2016 #1
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Not this Democrat. EndElectoral Jun 2016 #55
Obviously a victory sign and not a peace sign? Get.Real.Now Jun 2016 #64
Get 'em in while you still can...nt SidDithers Jun 2016 #2
Tick, tock, tick, tock..... George II Jun 2016 #21
You would have Professor Sachs censored at DU as from what date, Sid? Ghost Dog Jun 2016 #31
Sid is Canadian and does not vote in our elections. n/t Matt_R Jun 2016 #60
lol.. disillusioned73 Jun 2016 #67
Correct me if I'm wrong. Matt_R Jun 2016 #68
Our country needs drastic change. SamKnause Jun 2016 #3
Her foreign policy speech was excellent. She pointed out what a loose cannon Trump would be. Trust Buster Jun 2016 #4
Sanders was not a conscientious objector. He applied, never got it. Ali went to jail for objecting. merrily Jun 2016 #5
They are free to take that stand. I didn't question that. But, that disqualifies them from being the Trust Buster Jun 2016 #7
I'd rather a CIC who took a moral stand against a war than one who advocated for an immoral war. merrily Jun 2016 #9
Sometimes war is unavoidable as was the case after 911. No place for a conscientious objector Trust Buster Jun 2016 #11
Bull puckies. The Iraq war, like the Vietnam War, was eminently avoidable. merrily Jun 2016 #13
The direct result of 911 was the war in Afghanistan. A sloppy dodge on your part. That is an Trust Buster Jun 2016 #20
Sanders had no moral objection to the Afghanistan War. He voted for it. So, I have no clue merrily Jun 2016 #24
He was a conscientious objector and, therefore, unfit to be Commander in Chief. Trust Buster Jun 2016 #25
Lol, say it over and over. Still isn't true and makes you look like a bot Arazi Jun 2016 #39
Both parts of your statement are false and you know that very well at least as to the first merrily Jun 2016 #46
A Hillary supporter. bvar22 Jun 2016 #59
By definition a conscientious objector opposes ALL war, not just a specific one. Lord Magus Jun 2016 #33
Bernie has said it was the Vietnam War, not all wars. merrily Jun 2016 #34
In that case, he's very lucky to have not been drafted. Lord Magus Jun 2016 #35
Again, do you know what the statuory definition was during the Vietnam era? merrily Jun 2016 #37
Of course he objected to the Vietnam war...he was WhiteTara Jun 2016 #41
Um, no. He was not being drafted. He was never drafted. And most people agree that the merrily Jun 2016 #45
He had a draft number and when his CO appeals were finally WhiteTara Jun 2016 #50
I don't know if he had a draft number or not and neither do you. You don't know if he appealed, merrily Jun 2016 #66
Where in the Constitution does it say a CO status prohibits one for being President? EndElectoral Jun 2016 #58
Getting a student deferment is so much more aceptable than being a conscientious objector Autumn Jun 2016 #17
Some Presidents deserted and/or dodged the draft behind scenes. merrily Jun 2016 #19
Clinton made every effort to avoid the draft, got a deferment and I respected him on that. Autumn Jun 2016 #22
In my personal opinion, someone who took a public stand against an immoral war, merrily Jun 2016 #27
My opinion also. Autumn Jun 2016 #28
Ali was for arrested failing to register or be inducted I believe. EndElectoral Jun 2016 #57
I don't know and I don't feel like googling. I just hope a man of conviction is resting in peace. merrily Jun 2016 #65
The PNAC Candidate. Scuba Jun 2016 #6
I don't think it's possible for the Huffington Post to embarrass itself any further. BobbyDrake Jun 2016 #8
God forbid there were a few media stories that did not tear down Sanders. The horror! merrily Jun 2016 #10
You don't have to "tear down Sanders" to report the truth. HP made a choice to lie in support BobbyDrake Jun 2016 #12
Many media outlets online and in RL have discredited themselves on behalf of Hillary. merrily Jun 2016 #14
BobbyDrake—Hillary loves war! The neocons agree with her. CobaltBlue Jun 2016 #26
Why don't you attack Jeffrey Sachs directly? He's the author. reformist2 Jun 2016 #36
Jeffrey Sachs was the guy who told Bernie it was a good use of $500,000 to go to Rome? brooklynite Jun 2016 #15
Jeffrey who? Oh, yeah, that guy who set up the "Roman Holiday" Surya Gayatri Jun 2016 #16
See #31. n/t Ghost Dog Jun 2016 #48
Well said Jeffrey Sachs. nt. icecreamfan Jun 2016 #18
Going out of business sale!!! All outrages MUST GO!!!! JoePhilly Jun 2016 #23
What a bunch of fucking nonsense. When are you going to call out Bernie BootinUp Jun 2016 #29
Cannot rec this enough. Nyan Jun 2016 #30
Endless war, corporate sacking of the working class... 99Forever Jun 2016 #38
Yup, right on Arazi Jun 2016 #40
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Democrat means nothing anymore noiretextatique Jun 2016 #49
The Numbers jamese777 Jun 2016 #51
Only proving how easily people can be deceived. Duppers Jun 2016 #56
HRC should not use the words "trust me". Ever. stillwaiting Jun 2016 #53
Recommended and Kicked to the Max!! Duppers Jun 2016 #54
K&R JEB Jun 2016 #61
Thank you Jeffrey....'tis TRUE! KoKo Jun 2016 #62
K & R AzDar Jun 2016 #63
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